Joe Biden Said to Be Taking New Look at Presidential Run

From today's NY Times:
Joe Biden Said to Be Taking New Look at Presidential Run
By AMY CHOZICKAUG. 1, 2015Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his associates have begun to actively explore a possible presidential campaign, an entry that would upend the Democratic field and deliver a direct threat to Hillary Rodham Clinton, say several people who have spoken to Mr. Biden or his closest advisers.
Mr. Biden’s advisers have started to reach out to Democratic leaders and donors who have not yet committed to Mrs. Clinton or who have grown concerned about what they see as her increasingly visible vulnerabilities as a candidate.
The conversations, often fielded by Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, Steve Ricchetti, have taken place in hushed phone calls and over quiet lunches. In most cases they have grown out of an outpouring of sympathy for the vice president since the death of his 46-year-old son, Beau, in May.
There were talks this year that Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., at the National Defense University in Washington in April, could be preparing to run for president. Friends now say that he is focusing on his family.
One longtime Biden supporter said the vice president has been deeply moved by his son’s desire for him to run.
“He was so close to Beau and it was so heartbreaking that, frankly, I thought initially he wouldn’t have the heart,” Michael Thornton, a Boston lawyer who is a Biden supporter, said in an interview. “But I’ve had indications that maybe he does want to — and ‘that’s what Beau would have wanted me to do.’ ”
Mr. Biden’s path, should he decide to run, would not be easy. Mrs. Clinton has enormous support among Democrats inspired by the idea of electing a woman as president and her campaign has already raised millions of dollars. Mr. Biden, who is 72, has in the past proven prone to embarrassing gaffes on the campaign trail, and he would also face the critical task of building a field operation.
One Democrat with direct knowledge of the conversations described the outreach as a heady combination of donors and friends of Mr. Biden’s wanting to prop up the vice president in his darkest hours, combined with recent polls showing Mrs. Clinton’s support declining, suggesting there could be a path to the nomination for the vice president.
Ms. Dowd reported that as Beau Biden lay dying, he “tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.” Mr. Biden’s other son, Hunter, also encouraged him to run, she wrote.
“The reality is it’s going to be a tough, even-Steven kind of race, and there’s that moment when a lot of party establishment would start exactly this kind of rumble: ‘Is there anybody else?’ ” said Joe Trippi, a Democratic strategist.
At the same time, the slow trickle of news about Mrs. Clinton’s use of private email when she was secretary of state and the coming Benghazi hearings may be distracting some voters from the core message of her campaign: the need to lift the middle class.
“It’s not that we dislike Hillary, it’s that we want to win the White House,” said Richard A. Harpootlian, a lawyer and Democratic donor in Columbia, S.C. who met with Mr. Ricchetti before Beau Biden died. “We have a better chance of doing that with somebody who is not going to have all the distractions of a Clinton campaign.”
A spokeswoman for the Clinton campaign declined to comment.
In a July 30 Quinnipiac poll, 57 percent of voters said Mrs. Clinton was not honest and trustworthy and 52 percent said she did not care about their needs or problems. The same poll showed Mr. Biden with his highest favorability rating — 49 percent — in seven years, with 58 percent saying he is honest and trustworthy and 57 percent saying he cares about them. But Mrs. Clinton’s numbers are still strong, especially among likely Democratic primary voters.
“The No. 1 thing voters want is a candidate who is honest and trustworthy, and the veep is leading in those polls,” said William Pierce, executive director of Draft Biden, a “super PAC” that is trying to build enthusiasm for his possible candidacy.
Mr. Biden could still decide not to run. Confidants say that he has not made up his mind, but that they expect him to make something official by the end of the summer or early September. Other than by not ruling out a run and by holding preliminary meetings, Mr. Biden has not openly fueled the speculation about his candidacy. As of Saturday he had no trips planned to Iowa or New Hampshire in the coming weeks. But an intermediary recruited by the vice president’s office has been in touch with potential staffers who have not yet signed on to the Clinton campaign.
Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for Mr. Biden, said, “As the Biden family continues to go through this difficult time, the vice president is focused on his family and immersed in his work.”
A 2016 campaign would be the third time Mr. Biden, a longtime senator from Delaware, has sought the presidency, which friends describe as his ultimate dream.
Mr. Biden’s first campaign in 1988 ended in heartbreak after news reports that he plagiarized parts of a speech and exaggerated his academic record forced him to drop out. In 2008, Mr. Biden received less than 1 percent of the vote in the Iowa caucuses and dropped out after making controversial comments about Barack Obama, then seeking his first term in the White House. Mr. Biden said he was “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”
Mr. Obama later chose Mr. Biden as his running mate. In the early months of the 2016 campaign, the president has been careful not to undermine or wholeheartedly endorse either his former secretary of state or his vice president.
“The president has said that the best political decision he’s ever made in his career has been to ask Joe Biden to run as his vice president,” Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman said last week.
Friends described Mr. Biden’s relationship with Mrs. Clinton in the Senate as cordial and warm. But Mr. Biden has in his long career in Democratic politics clashed with former President Bill Clinton, and his relationship with Mrs. Clinton has not been without awkwardness. One close Biden confidant, Ron Klain, has been in contact with Mrs. Clinton’s campaign about helping her prepare for the Democratic debates, a sign some people interpreted as proof Mr. Biden may decide against a run.
Mr. Ricchetti, a former White House aide in the Clinton administration who is now Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, began talking to donors and supporters in the months before Beau Biden died.
In recent weeks those conversations, with local elected officials and party leaders, started again, mostly because well-wishers called to check on the Biden family. The conversation inevitably drifted to 2016, and many of these Democrats urged Mr. Biden to seriously consider getting into the race, according to people with knowledge of the talks who agreed to discuss private conversations only without attribution.
Mr. Ricchetti declined to comment.
The speculation intensified on Thursday when friends of Mrs. Clinton’s spotted Mr. Ricchetti having breakfast at the Four Seasons in Washington with Louis B. Susman, a major Democratic donor and former ambassador to the United Kingdom. Fox News reported on the meeting.
Mr. Susman, who has already made the maximum donation allowed in the primary, of $2,700, to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, and who is a longtime friend of the Biden family, dismissed any implication that he was discussing the vice president’s plans. “He wasn’t testing the waters with me,” Mr. Susman said of Mr. Ricchetti. “There was never any discussion of the presidential campaign or money.”
Mr. Biden is by no means a virtuoso campaigner. But his entry into the race would add an unbridled — and often unscripted — passion for the presidency that some Democrats say the ever-cautious Mrs. Clinton at times lacks.
One Democratic donor with direct knowledge of the overtures from the Biden camp said Mr. Biden had already thought about how he would position himself in the race, delivering an economic message to the left of Mrs. Clinton’s while embracing the policies of the Obama administration, like health care reform, that are widely popular among Democrats.

How do you feel about it, Bob?

How do you feel about it, Bob?
I believe I could get behind a Biden/Sanders ticket. A couple plain talking men representing the common man. What could be better than that?

Would Bernie settle for that tho -- if Biden declares (looks more & more like he's going to), these elderly politicians would be be railing at each other during the campaign
also if Biden declares that splinters Dem votes, & we're looking at The Trump Administration
mayb (hopefully) Biden will rethink running on that basis -- am rooting for the GOP, just not Donald

How do you feel about it, Bob?
I believe I could get behind a Biden/Sanders ticket. A couple plain talking men representing the common man. What could be better than that?
The rumor I heard yesterday was a Biden/Warren ticket.

If Hillary and Trump were to both run as independents ... maybe America gets its first non major party president?
😉

How do you feel about it, Bob?
I believe I could get behind a Biden/Sanders ticket. A couple plain talking men representing the common man. What could be better than that?
The rumor I heard yesterday was a Biden/Warren ticket.
Won't fly, even w/Mass. connection -- Bernie will 'hire' an equally hi profile running mate, & people won't know who to vote for -- both good people, Biden has done a good job as VP, & people are seeing why Bernie is so well liked here in Vt. --
but this is where Trump campaign strategists might see an opening & turn up the heat --you know -- the "if this is the way it's going to be, vote for Trump & the GOP!" TV jingle w/unflattering photos of tired/elderly Bernie & Joe -- then on bursts Donald to cheers of millions, flag waving in background -- the typical campaign stuff

Ages :
Hillary - 67
Trump - 69
Biden - 72
Sanders - 73
Can't we find any younger people ?

Yow, I didn't know they were all that old!! Gotta know better than to post in political threads

Another sign that Hillary's legal issues won't be going away.

Ages :
Hillary - 67
Trump - 69
Biden - 72
Sanders - 73Can't we find any younger people ?
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What happened to the rant against "old white men"?

Joe Biden?
Boooooooooo.

Bidens the modern age Mondale. No chance at all .

Bidens the modern age Mondale. No chance at all .
Biden would make a better candidate than Mondale did. At least Joe is likeable. Mondale had nothing.
IMO

He did have that memorable reply tho during one of the debates, when he quoted the lady in the Burger King ad -- "where's the beef?"

Biden is knida like The Democrats Ed McMahon.

Bidens the modern age Mondale. No chance at all .
Biden would make a better candidate than Mondale did. At least Joe is likeable. Mondale had nothing.
IMO
I'll agree.
I'd hate to see the Dem. party bosses put Joe up for fear of Hillary not being electable.
Bernie is the better candidate among the three.
As for the evil empire side, trump is such an empty sack of hot air he won't get to the convention.

Ages :
Hillary - 67
Trump - 69
Biden - 72
Sanders - 73Can't we find any younger people ?
This is all a plot by Hillary to get the youth vote.

Maybe Joe Biden will pander for the black vote and choose "The Rent Is Too Damn High" guy Jimmy McMillan for his VP.

With no significant policy disagreements, a Biden vs Hillary primary would get nasty in a hurry.

With no significant policy disagreements, a Biden vs Hillary primary would get nasty in a hurry.
In that case maybe she'd be good as Joe's VP.

With no significant policy disagreements, a Biden vs Hillary primary would get nasty in a hurry.
In that case maybe she'd be good as Joe's VP.
First thing Biden would do is hire a food taster.

Pretty amazing turnaround. Biden goes from being a human gaffe machine, largely hidden
away for the last six years, to potential Presidential nominee.

I doubt he runs. The raw emotion of the loss of his son seems to be just under the surface. The man has lost a lot over the years, may not see the campaign grinder as worth it at this point in his life.

I'd give it a pretty fair chance. I doubt he would have told the story about Beau encouraging
him to run if he wasn't giving it some pretty serious consideration. If I had to set the odds, I'd
say 75% yes and 25% no. I hope he gives it a shot.

Yeah, we'll see. I think he would be more impactful than some give him credit for. He is a genuinely likable guy (for a lot of folks, not all, of course).

He'd have Obama's backing as his VP for 8 successful years, making him the best-qualified for the job etc
still think he'd take votes away from Bernie -- guessing a Repub. candidate will quickly gain in popularity, esp. a younger "charismatic" media-friendly type -- like a Phillip Crane-Gary Hart type

Joe's run twice already and lost, Nothing wrong with being remembered as VEEP rather than a three time loosing Presidential contender.
Plus, I don't think American swing voters want Obama remnants in the oval office in 2016. There is real desire for fresh ideas which is why Hilary and Jeb campaigns have stalled.

Everyone is forgetting one thing about Joe

I've never thought Biden to be an idiot, ever.
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