Girls... GIRLS !
You both pretty.
With all due respect to my fellow liberals here you complain about Mule trolling, derailing threads, constantly attacking the Dems and there followers yet you keep responding to his posts.
If you want to take away his powers to disrupt stop responding to him. By responding you empower him to do the very things you complain about.
Yup. But I imagine most who are responding enjoy it even if they complain. Winning the internet can be fun as hell.
Interesting comment from a guy who spends the majority of his time on here commenting on how others act.
Mostly about you and exactly what Bill_Graham says here. You're the worst of the worst in this regard. I'm sure you'll beat him eventually though. God knows you'll never stop trying.
You win, Pervy!!!! You have won the internet!!! Hail to the Perv!!!! 😛 😛 😛 😛
Jimmy Carter does have long ties to Hamas and other Islamic Extremist Terrorist organizations. While he may, for political reasons, call out his church he supports groups that allow women no rights and openly persecute them.
This is just one of many articles proving his ties to Hamas:
Jimmy Carter to Headline Fundraiser for Hamas Front Group
by Thomas Rose - 27 Aug 2014
Former President Jimmy Carter is the featured keynote speaker at this weekend’s Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention at Detroit’s Cobo Hall.
The Justice Department recently implicated ISNA, which claims to be America’s largest Muslim organization, as the lead conduit in a scheme to illegally pass on $12 million to Hamas, the Palestinian terror group established to annihilate the State of Israel. Hamas is officially designated a terrorist group by the US government.
The Justice Department officially designated ISNA as an un-indicted co-conspirator as part of its successful 2007 trial of those accused of coordinating fundraising efforts for Hamas in the United States through the Dallas-based Holy Land Foundation. A federal judge turned down a subsequent ISNA appeal to reverse the designation, claiming there was “ample” evidence that Holy Land officials clearly “operated from within ISNA.” Key evidence presented at the trial were checks written to known Hamas terrorists and deposited into ISNA accounts from where they were passed on to Hamas.
Shukri Abu Bakr, now serving a 65-year sentence following his conviction on multiple counts of providing material support to Hamas, admitted to working from inside ISNA’s headquarters as he served as Hamas’s top operative in the United States.
Providing any support or assistance to a designated foreign terrorist organization is a violation of Section 18 of the U.S. Code § 2339B and is punishable by imprisonment of not more than fifteen years. If the death of any person results from providing such support, the penalty increases to imprisonment for any term up to and including life.
US civil rights expert Alan Dershowitz claims that fundraising for ISNA may constitute violation of Section 18, which would put Jimmy Carter “very close to, if not across the line” of criminal activity.
The 89-year-old former president has become an increasingly venomous critic of Israel. In addition to writing a 2006 book that accused Israel of “perpetrating even worse instances of Apartheid than we witnessed in South Africa,” he has more recently accused the Jewish state of deliberately starting the current war with Hamas in order to stop the terrorist group from what he called its “encouraging moves toward peace.”
A three-page memo produced at trial fingered both Abu Baker and ISNA as working together for the “coordination and accounting” of Hamas’s deadly suicide bombing campaign that killed and wounded thousands of Israelis between 2000 and 2003, during the so-called “2nd Palestinian Intifada.”
Several ISNA board members who will welcome President Carter to their event are themselves still officially registered as unindicted co-conspirators: Jamal Badawi for his role in Holy Land Foundation trial and Siraj Wahhaj for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
ISNA’s 2014 Convention will held for the first time in Michigan, home to both the country’s largest and fastest-growing Muslim population. Michigan Governor Rick Synder is scheduled to welcome delegates at the conference’s opening session on Friday.
Also featured at this weekend’s ISNA convention are Bishop Elizabeth Eaton, the national leader of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim member of the US Congress.
Apparently it is okay to attack The Republicans, often with disgusting language, but The Democrats and their followers are immune from criticism.
Narcissism is not an excuse, it is a psychological problem.
This may be one of the funniest things I have ever read........... 😛
Hey mule, yes or no, IF A STATESMAN YOU RESPECTED, not Carter, had made similar statements re the instituionalized oppression of women worldwide, would you concur?
I couldn't care less about your obsession with Democrats or Republicans, they are all shills of the technocracy. Or your rabid kneejerk Israel stuff.
Just wondering if you are capable of a simple yes or no, or if it always has to be a big spiel on the Dempublicans vs the Republicrats. Do you think the gist of Carter's statement was sound?
Hey mule, yes or no, IF A STATESMAN YOU RESPECTED, not Carter, had made similar statements re the instituionalized oppression of women worldwide, would you concur?
I couldn't care less about your obsession with Democrats or Republicans, they are all shills of the technocracy. Or your rabid kneejerk Israel stuff.
Just wondering if you are capable of a simple yes or no, or if it always has to be a big spiel on the Dempublicans vs the Republicrats. Do you think the gist of Carter's statement was sound?
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No.
You pose a hypothetical question?
Okay. No statesman that I respect would make such a ridiculous statement.
The phony “War on Women by The Republicans” is a political game played by the Obama, Hillary and Carter types.
My problem is with the politicians that, while women in some countries are being persecuted by Islamic Extremists and other wack-jobs gladly accept money from them.
Some Democrats run to the TV cameras falsely claiming there is a “War on Women by The Republicans” but say nothing about the countries and governments that actually do deny women basic human rights while gladly taking their money.
While we are on the subject of your post, why do you hate The Jews so much?
hmmm... don't see how you got anti-semite out of my posts, must be something in your filter, might want to check that. I actually love Israel and regard it as a great progressive modern nation, with excellent strategies for social and ecological survival. Am particularly impressed with the kibbutz, which will probably be the model the entire world will need to follow as times get tougher in the future and people have to learn to pull together. It's funny, for all your bellyaching and pretense to support Israel, I bet you would not last a week in kibbtutz or any other extreme socialist way of life. My only gripe with Israel is their ironfisted approach to Palestine. Why is it that if you have a few criticisms of Israel it makes you an anti-semite? This question comes up here alll the time.
hmmm... don't see how you got anti-semite out of my posts, must be something in your filter, might want to check that. I actually love Israel and regard it as a great progressive modern nation, with excellent strategies for social and ecological survival. Am particularly impressed with the kibbutz, which will probably be the model the entire world will need to follow as times get tougher in the future and people have to learn to pull together. It's funny, for all your bellyaching and pretense to support Israel, I bet you would not last a week in kibbtutz or any other extreme socialist way of life. My only gripe with Israel is their ironfisted approach to Palestine. Why is it that if you have a few criticisms of Israel it makes you an anti-semite? This question comes up here alll the time.
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Life in a kibbtutz can be a real blast especially when Hamas rockets are inbound.
It would seem you need enlightenment on being an anti-Semite.
Ask Jimmy Carter, he knows well.
It would appear that you are an expert at baiting people. Which I suppose would make you a Master Baiter. To tie my Israel response to your thread hijacking back to the OP, I might add that Israel was a pioneer iin women's rights, elected Golda Meir in 1969, the Knesset passed the Women's Equal Rights Law in 1951, decades before the issue was raised elsewhere. A law you would likely vote against. Your bigotry and thinly veiled antipathy towards women's equality is more in keeping with the hardline Muslim states than it is with your phony support of Israel, which more probably stems from some right wing Christian bible angle and has nothing to do with the real Israel, which is entirely at odds with The American Right on practically every level, most notably reproductive rights, social support programs, and ecology and the environment.
The US effectively killed the efforts of women like my grandmother and mother, who worked for most of the late 20th century to get the Equal Rights Amendment passed, only to have it stonewalled by people you voted for.
Where's BigAnn when you need her?
[Edited on 4/27/2015 by BrerRabbit]
It would appear that you are an expert at baiting people. Which I suppose would make you a Master Baiter. To tie my Israel response to your thread hijacking back to the OP, I might add that Israel was a pioneer iin women's rights, elected Golda Meir in 1969, the Knesset passed the Women's Equal Rights Law in 1951, decades before the issue was raised elsewhere. A law you would likely vote against. Your bigotry and thinly veiled antipathy towards women's equality is more in keeping with the hardline Muslim states than it is with your phony support of Israel, which more probably stems from some right wing Christian bible angle and has nothing to do with the real Israel, which is entirely at odds with The American Right on practically every level, most notably reproductive rights, social support programs, and ecology and the environment.
The US effectively killed the efforts of women like my grandmother and mother, who worked for most of the late 20th century to get the Equal Rights Amendment passed, only to have it stonewalled by people you voted for.
Where's BigAnn when you need her?
[Edited on 4/27/2015 by BrerRabbit]
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If you paid for an education you should try and get your money back.
Self-educated, just read a lot growing up, and still learning. Preserving an open mind into middle age isn't easy.
"Self-educated? It shows!" Haha! Beat you to it.
You stated that you thought Jimmy Carter's message re worldwide religious and institutional oppression of women was "ridiculous" . Very good, you actually addressed the topic of the post! Was that so difficult? I would like to know why you believe that women should continue to live without the guarantee of equal rights. I am sure you have some ideas on the matter.
hmmm... don't see how you got anti-semite out of my posts, must be something in your filter, might want to check that. I actually love Israel and regard it as a great progressive modern nation, with excellent strategies for social and ecological survival. Am particularly impressed with the kibbutz, which will probably be the model the entire world will need to follow as times get tougher in the future and people have to learn to pull together. It's funny, for all your bellyaching and pretense to support Israel, I bet you would not last a week in kibbtutz or any other extreme socialist way of life. My only gripe with Israel is their ironfisted approach to Palestine. Why is it that if you have a few criticisms of Israel it makes you an anti-semite? This question comes up here alll the time.
Just as an aside, the Kibutz movement in Israel as it existed in 1948 is pretty much dead and buried.
I would guess the kibbutzniks of '48 were pretty hardcore for sure. Still, don't young idealistic Israelis still join? The kibbutz certainly still defines and compliments their national character to some extent. I certainly won't pretend to anywhere near your knowledge of the subject sir. My main points are sound though, Israel is a progressive nation with modern values, albeit tempered by ancient Jewish law, which for the most part makes for very sane and well-thought out policies. Their handling of reproductive rights is a good example of a balanced approach, unlike the USA, where the only political options are either hogwild murder freeforall or total ban, neither of which make any sense. Israelis I have met seem to be generally more intellectual and capable of reason than Americans.
I am baffled by the extreme Christian right support of Israel, as the American right has more in common with throwback Islamic ideology than it does with an independent progressive Israel. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
Self-educated, just read a lot growing up, and still learning. Preserving an open mind into middle age isn't easy.
"Self-educated? It shows!" Haha! Beat you to it.
You stated that you thought Jimmy Carter's message re worldwide religious and institutional oppression of women was "ridiculous" . Very good, you actually addressed the topic of the post! Was that so difficult? I would like to know why you believe that women should continue to live without the guarantee of equal rights. I am sure you have some ideas on the matter.
"preserving an open mind into middle age isn't easy".
😉
that's a fact.
I would guess the kibbutzniks of '48 were pretty hardcore for sure. Still, don't young idealistic Israelis still join? The kibbutz certainly still defines and compliments their national character to some extent. I certainly won't pretend to anywhere near your knowledge of the subject sir. My main points are sound though, Israel is a progressive nation with modern values, albeit tempered by ancient Jewish law, which for the most part makes for very sane and well-thought out policies. Their handling of reproductive rights is a good example of a balanced approach, unlike the USA, where the only political options are either hogwild murder freeforall or total ban, neither of which make any sense. Israelis I have met seem to be generally more intellectual and capable of reason than Americans.
I am baffled by the extreme Christian right support of Israel, as the American right has more in common with throwback Islamic ideology than it does with an independent progressive Israel. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
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You might want to check your data.
The majority of Americans support Israel and reject Islamic Extremist Terrorists.
The left does like to throw around the label of “extreme Christian right” yet it is only a political term used by liberal hate groups.
Lose your political filter and you’ll see the matter much more clearly.
Israel does have a right to exist.
I would guess the kibbutzniks of '48 were pretty hardcore for sure. Still, don't young idealistic Israelis still join? The kibbutz certainly still defines and compliments their national character to some extent. I certainly won't pretend to anywhere near your knowledge of the subject sir. My main points are sound though, Israel is a progressive nation with modern values, albeit tempered by ancient Jewish law, which for the most part makes for very sane and well-thought out policies. Their handling of reproductive rights is a good example of a balanced approach, unlike the USA, where the only political options are either hogwild murder freeforall or total ban, neither of which make any sense. Israelis I have met seem to be generally more intellectual and capable of reason than Americans.
I am baffled by the extreme Christian right support of Israel, as the American right has more in common with throwback Islamic ideology than it does with an independent progressive Israel. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
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You might want to check your data.
The majority of Americans support Israel and reject Islamic Extremist Terrorists.The left does like to throw around the label of “extreme Christian right” yet it is only a political term used by liberal hate groups.
Lose your political filter and you’ll see the matter much more clearly.
Israel does have a right to exist.
No actually you are wrong Mule the majority of Republicans support Israel but America in general is split on their support
You really need to do some actual research before you throw your Sh*t against the wall.
And for the record I support Israel's right to defend herself but don't always agree with the meethods.
I support Israel, didn't I just post several comments indicating that I regard Israel highly? And I'm not right wing. (I consider it good politics to piss off both the right and left).
My point was that the American right claims to support Israel, but their politics, especially with regard to women's equality (trying like hell to keep on topic here!), could not be further from Israel's position. America, left or right, could learn a lot from Israel.
You are of course entitled to your opinion. We all know what opinions are like, everybody's got one. You have two, north and south.
I would guess the kibbutzniks of '48 were pretty hardcore for sure. Still, don't young idealistic Israelis still join? The kibbutz certainly still defines and compliments their national character to some extent. I certainly won't pretend to anywhere near your knowledge of the subject sir. My main points are sound though, Israel is a progressive nation with modern values, albeit tempered by ancient Jewish law, which for the most part makes for very sane and well-thought out policies. Their handling of reproductive rights is a good example of a balanced approach, unlike the USA, where the only political options are either hogwild murder freeforall or total ban, neither of which make any sense. Israelis I have met seem to be generally more intellectual and capable of reason than Americans.
I am baffled by the extreme Christian right support of Israel, as the American right has more in common with throwback Islamic ideology than it does with an independent progressive Israel. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
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You might want to check your data.
The majority of Americans support Israel and reject Islamic Extremist Terrorists.The left does like to throw around the label of “extreme Christian right” yet it is only a political term used by liberal hate groups.
Lose your political filter and you’ll see the matter much more clearly.
Israel does have a right to exist.No actually you are wrong Mule the majority of Republicans support Israel but America in general is split on their support
You really need to do some actual research before you throw your Sh*t against the wall.
And for the record I support Israel's right to defend herself but don't always agree with the meethods.
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The poll you cite shows that “Young Americans” support Palestine and concentrates on Israel’s actions against The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
Of course they do in such a narrow question. Most young Americans support Obama who openly hates Israel.
This poll was taken during last year’s Hamas attacks on Israel and the left-wing news media constantly showed the aftermath in Palestine of Israel having to defend themselves against the constant Hamas rocket attacks, a fact the mainstream media rarely mentioned.
The poll also says that the more educated supported Israel and the poll also shows that the more informed Americans supported Israel.
The text of the article was written by a left-wing internet group.
Cherry picking data does not alter the fact that in general, The American People support Israel and reject the Islamic Terrorist Extremists as supported by Jimmy Carter.
So mule, you didn't answer my question, why do you think that Carter's message re oppression of women is ridiculous? No more of this Middle East stuff, I am inviting you to join the discussion. Not asking if you think Carter is an idiot, we got your point, just would be interested to hear specifics on your view of women's rights.
So mule, you didn't answer my question, why do you think that Carter's message re oppression of women is ridiculous? No more of this Middle East stuff, I am inviting you to join the discussion. Not asking if you think Carter is an idiot, we got your point, just would be interested to hear specifics on your view of women's rights.
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What oppression of women?
Carter’s “message” is nothing more than him trying to stay in the media with a political issue created the Obama, Hillary and the other far-left Democrats.
If you want to narrow in on pay equality, ask Obama and Hillary why they do not compensate the women on their payroll equally with their male counterparts.
That is an ignorant point as the matter was settled in the early 1960s with the law sign by John Kennedy.
If you want to get picky, why do employers have to pay far higher health insurance rates for their female employees but must charge both female and male employees equal premiums?
The answer is obvious but I don’t hear Democrats screaming equality.
Continuing on the so-called pay inequity matter, the numbers reported by the left are skewed as they don’t take into their analysis the fact that many women simply choose career paths that do not pay the higher rates and many choose to be stay at home moms.
The women make those choices.
Men and women already have equal rights in the U.S.
The “oppression of women” is ridiculous, political game played by Democrats.
So mule, you didn't answer my question, why do you think that Carter's message re oppression of women is ridiculous? No more of this Middle East stuff, I am inviting you to join the discussion. Not asking if you think Carter is an idiot, we got your point, just would be interested to hear specifics on your view of women's rights.
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What oppression of women?
Carter’s “message” is nothing more than him trying to stay in the media with a political issue created the Obama, Hillary and the other far-left Democrats.If you want to narrow in on pay equality, ask Obama and Hillary why they do not compensate the women on their payroll equally with their male counterparts.
That is an ignorant point as the matter was settled in the early 1960s with the law sign by John Kennedy.
If you want to get picky, why do employers have to pay far higher health insurance rates for their female employees but must charge both female and male employees equal premiums?
The answer is obvious but I don’t hear Democrats screaming equality.Continuing on the so-called pay inequity matter, the numbers reported by the left are skewed as they don’t take into their analysis the fact that many women simply choose career paths that do not pay the higher rates and many choose to be stay at home moms.
The women make those choices.Men and women already have equal rights in the U.S.
The “oppression of women” is ridiculous, political game played by Democrats.
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Politicususa – Real Liberal Politics?
That is your source pops?
No wonder you are so screwed up.
Well there it is. Nice to have you out in the open where you can shine in all your ugly Archie Bunker glory. Wow. You are a piece of work.
Yes, those links to the actual bills just doesn't cut it..............attack the source - sounds very familiar.... 😛
What oppression of women?
Perfect. This speaks volumes. Nice to have you on topic, even if you have zero clue what it is.
What oppression of women?
Perfect. This speaks volumes. Nice to have you on topic, even if you have zero clue what it is.
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I see nothing from you detailing what you believe to be the oppression of women.
Do you even have a clue or are you just posting a shot at me?
The same question is still unanswered by you: What oppression of women?
I'll have one final say and then I've got to get out of this thread because it's turned far more negative than I ever could have envisioned when I started it.
When I say "men" I am not referring to all men because that would be discriminatory to all men, including myself. That said, I think that for many, many years, probably since the beginning of time, a percentage of men have attempted to hold women down for their own benefit. This is due either to men's own insecurities, their jealousy towards women, or a combination of both.
Jealousy towards women, you ask? There is plenty for us to be jealous about. They're better looking than us, they're sexier than us, and the truth is, every bit as smart as us, often smarter. Do you as a man really want a woman you are in a relationship with playing dumb because she doesn't want to bruise your ego? Lots of women in my Mother and Grandmother's generation did that and it still goes on today.
Women can create a living, breathing human being inside of their body.............what does our body do that is even remotely close to that? If you reject and humiliate the givers of life...........what does that say about you as a human being? Every man on the face of this earth grew inside of a woman's womb. We'll never know the discomfort of pregnancy, the pain of having your hips separate so a new human being can enter the world. We'll never personally deal with postpartum depression although we may deal with it in a relationship.
I really think that if we men try to promote and elevate women to their proper lofty status, it's healthy for us and healthy for society. We'll find that we benefit from that both on a social, economical and personal level.
I heard the argument here that economic inequality is the fault of women because they often choose lower paying careers or choose to be a stay-at-home Mom rather than being aggressive in entering the workforce. And those things DO in fact have an effect on the wage statistics. A woman who chooses to work as a clerk at Macy's is not going to make the salary of a male engineer. But we need to get to the point of equal pay for equal work.
And what kind of human beings are we men if we try to punish women economically for staying at home and raising their children? How many men really want that job anyway? And we're not biologically capable of doing it, at least in the early years...........we can't nourish an infant with our breasts. If a woman decides to pursue a professional career after or while raising children, she should never be punished or held back for doing that. A woman who has a child is doing the most important thing in the world: Bringing a life into the world, perpetuating the human race. Men who would punish her economically for that are backwards and prejudiced in their thinking.
OK, I've had my say. I'm ready to be picked apart by some. I do not care. Count me as a man who loves women. GO, Jimmy Carter. I loved your essay.
[Edited on 5/2/2015 by robslob]
I'll have one final say and then I've got to get out of this thread because it's turned far more negative than I ever could have envisioned when I started it.
When I say "men" I am not referring to all men because that would be discriminatory to all men, including myself. That said, I think that for many, many years, probably since the beginning of time, a percentage of men have attempted to hold women down for their own benefit. This is due either to men's own insecurities, their jealousy towards women, or a combination of both.
Jealousy towards women, you ask? There is plenty for us to be jealous about. They're better looking than us, they're sexier than us, and the truth is, every bit as smart as us, often smarter. Do you as a man really want a woman you are in a relationship with playing dumb because she doesn't want to bruise your ego? Lots of women in my Mother and Grandmother's generation did that and it still goes on today.
Women can create a living, breathing human being inside of their body.............what does our body do that is even remotely close to that? If you reject and humiliate the givers of life...........what does that say about you as a human being? Every man on the face of this earth grew inside of a woman's womb. We'll never know the discomfort of pregnancy, the pain of having your hips separate so a new human being can enter the world. We'll never personally deal with postpartum depression although we may deal with it in a relationship.
I really think that if we men try to promote and elevate women to their proper lofty status, it's healthy for us and healthy for society. We'll find that we benefit from that both on a social, economical and personal level.
I heard the argument here that economic inequality is the fault of women because they often choose lower paying careers or choose to be a stay-at-home Mom rather than being aggressive in entering the workforce. And those things DO in fact have an effect on the wage statistics. A woman who chooses to work as a clerk at Macy's is not going to make the salary of a male engineer. But we need to get to the point of equal pay for equal work.
And what kind of human beings are we men if we try to punish women economically for staying at home and raising their children? How many men really want that job anyway? And we're not biologically capable of doing it, at least in the early years...........we can't nourish an infant with our breasts. If a woman decides to pursue a professional career after or while raising children, they should never be punished or held back for doing that. A woman who has a child is doing the most important thing in the world: Bringing a life into the world, perpetuating the human race. Men who would punish her economically for that are backwards and prejudiced in their thinking.
OK, I've had my say. I'm ready to be picked apart by some. I do not care. Count me as a man who loves women. GO, Jimmy Carter. I loved your essay.
Great post Rob! Well said.
Did you show it to your wife? I'd wait until Friday or Saturday. Maybe bring her breakfast in bed or use it as the with a bouquet of fresh cut flowers.
In fact, I might do the same. Mind if I use your words Cyrano? 😉
Great post Rob! Well said.
Did you show it to your wife? I'd wait until Friday or Saturday. Maybe bring her breakfast in bed or use it as the with a bouquet of fresh cut flowers.
In fact, I might do the same. Mind if I use your words Cyrano?
Thanks BillyBlastoff and of course you can use my post.
I'm 60, I've been through a lot of relationships but I've never been married and I don't have any kids. I'm not currently in a relationship. I still don't know if I'll get married but I would like to find that right one to ride into the sunset with, married or not. As a female high school classmate told me at the reunion 5 years ago, "Nobody gets married anymore." I think she partly meant at our age. But I'm not ruling it out.
I'll say this: I'm a much better relationship candidate now that I've come to a mature appreciation of women.
[Edited on 4/28/2015 by robslob]
nice post, rob.
I would guess the kibbutzniks of '48 were pretty hardcore for sure. Still, don't young idealistic Israelis still join? The kibbutz certainly still defines and compliments their national character to some extent. I certainly won't pretend to anywhere near your knowledge of the subject sir. My main points are sound though, Israel is a progressive nation with modern values, albeit tempered by ancient Jewish law, which for the most part makes for very sane and well-thought out policies. Their handling of reproductive rights is a good example of a balanced approach, unlike the USA, where the only political options are either hogwild murder freeforall or total ban, neither of which make any sense. Israelis I have met seem to be generally more intellectual and capable of reason than Americans.
I am baffled by the extreme Christian right support of Israel, as the American right has more in common with throwback Islamic ideology than it does with an independent progressive Israel. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
No young idealists are not joining kibbutzim because, socialism doesn't work. As has been demonstrated time and time again. Even the kibbutzim that remain now permit private ownership of property, children are raised with their own parents etc. The original movement had much to do with building up the land and the nascent state but it was never a sustainable model. As for your statement about Christians having more in common with radical Muslims etc., maybe re-examine your pre-conceived notions. Just a suggestion.
