The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

I have no doubt that rape and sexual assault is a problem on campuses nationwide. But when I read the Rolling Stone article the first thing I noticed was lack of identifying ANYBODY by name. There was a lot of , "let's call this person, "Phil"" type stuff. Not an expose' by journalistic standards (if those still exist).

They got their feet called to the fire because the frat' that they named didn't have a party on the night of the allegations, didn't have a staircase as described by the "plaintiff" and a host of other discrepancies. This doesn't mean that an attack did not happen, but Rolling Stone didn't serve themselves or any offended party any justice by pseudo-fictionalizing a chain of events and characters. It could very well be a case where they just didn't corroborate information very well.

I'm no fan of late of Rolling Stone, but they have provided some great journalism in recent years. Their coverage of the waterworks/sewer project scandal in Birmingham, AL was the most comprehensive story pertaining to the event that I ever read.

The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

AEKDB!

actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.

Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.

actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.

Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.

people make mistakes, are you not human?

Well maybe if RS had misspelled a word or two in the article, that would be a mistake. By not verifying details of what is a very serious and emotional subject, that's incompetence and irresponsibility. Vetting and corroborating someone's account of an event is journalism 101. RS flunked and I hope that fraternity sues the hell of it.

[Edited on 12/14/2014 by StratDal]

AEKDB . Exactly. These sons of Babylon will never change, and you support them.Their letter did not acknowledge even the remotest possibility of dishonorable behavior by their frat, when their anthem spells out their predilections quite clearly. Rolling Stone is a yellow rag so you can safely bet that they barely scratched the surface of this issue. What is actually occurring is likely far worse. So they win a suit against RS, but they won't be able to hide their dirt forever. All Evil Killer Despots Bond. AEKDB

AEKDB . Exactly. These sons of Babylon will never change, and you support them.Their letter did not acknowledge even the remotest possibility of dishonorable behavior by their frat, when their anthem spells out their predilections quite clearly. Rolling Stone is a yellow rag so you can safely bet that they barely scratched the surface of this issue. What is actually occurring is likely far worse. So they win a suit against RS, but they won't be able to hide their dirt forever. All Evil Killer Despots Bond. AEKDB

After Every Kappa Drink Beer

let's face it . An expose of an Illuminati devil worship sex cult is bound to create some backlash

actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.

Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.

people make mistakes, are you not human?

Are you serious? A major magazine prints an entirely fabricated story that accuses unnamed but discernbile individuals of a major felony and you say "Well people make mistakes." Is that the standards we are reduced to? I fear for the future.

The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

AEKDB!

AEKDB right back at you.

actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.

Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.

people make mistakes, are you not human?

Are you serious? A major magazine prints an entirely fabricated story that accuses unnamed but discernbile individuals of a major felony and you say "Well people make mistakes." Is that the standards we are reduced to? I fear for the future.

Let's be realistic, Rolling Stone did not purposely publish the story knowing is was inaccurate. Not verifying the sources was their only crime so lets not be too high drama on this.

What they did was inexcusable, so I am not defending their practices, but let's be honest Doug if this had been a conservative news source you would not be as outraged and we would not have heard a peep out of you on the issue. 😉

The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.

Your frat probably wouldn't get away with this crap then.

The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.

Or the bitter rant of someone who never got accepted into a fraternity.

Its a political Rag that has lost its way and most of its original readers.

The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.

This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.

Or the bitter rant of someone who never got accepted into a fraternity.

I graduated Duke in 1977. The fraternities lived by different rules; and it was all because (as the Rolling Stone article stated) fraternity alumni contribute a lot more on average to the schools. Because of legal worries the frats there no longer reside on campus. There was a lot of truth in the tone of the article. This is happening all over the place.

When I attended UCLA, the greeks ran the campus and deservedly so. We were the ones that bused out to the football games. We showed up at basketball games and participated in student government. The greeks had the best parties. Lots of jealous students but so what. We weren't saints but we weren't sinners either. Plenty of non Greeks were involved in student life and plenty caused their share of problems too.

More greeks alums donate and are involved at UCLA than other groups. It's not because we lived by other rules. It's because we appreciate what UCLA provided for us and we want to give back. GO BRUINS!

[Edited on 12/12/2014 by StratDal]

Strat

I usually don't stand opposed to your views; but read your response - it reeks of entitlement. There are other aspects of campus life at every school other than the ones you mentioned. Going to the games doesn't entitle one to have run of the campus any more than if one supported the theater program. Plenty of people didn't go Greek cause they wanted a different lifestyle - everything is not attributed to jealousy.

I stand by more original statement; that this is all about fund raising. There is no doubt that Greek Alumni contribute more - and the schools are generous to them in return (allowing them the run of the campus.)

"… reeks of entitlement." It's more of participation and making the most of one's opportunities. Most of the students I knew in the Greek system never felt entitled to anything. And on a personal level, you can ask anyone who knows me that I don't have any sense of entitlement whatsoever.

If students didn't like the Greek system for whatever their reasons, I didn't care. It's their business. I enjoyed being in a fraternity and it enriched my college experience. I made some good friends that I still hold dear to this day. If being a Greek wasn't your gig, okay. If you think it's all about fundraising and money, knock yourself out.

GO BRUINS!

I don't think the Greek System is all about fundraising. One of my kids is actively involved; everyone picks their comfort level. I do think for the Colleges their actions are all about income; be it lightening up on discipline for Frats and kissing the rears of parents on "parents weekend" a bizarre invention of the last 20 years as when we went to school our parents weren't part of the experience. I don't know you personally - but the only comment I had issue with was "We ran the campus and deservedly so." If I read it wrong so be it.

ps if you got to see Walton play college ball - not seeing that myself - now that would be a source of jealousy

I see your point. Again, my comment was about participation in overall campus life and at the time, the Greeks did most of it. Sounds like I should have said it differently.

This isn't directed at your emr but I'm tired of all the hate on fraternities and sororities these days. Sure, they have their share of malcontents but that holds true for all college student bodies. In addition to their campus obligations, Greeks contribute time and resources to a many charitable and community organizations.

As for seeing Bill Walton, he was before my time. When I was at UCLA, the basketball program was nothing but drama (talk about entitled…). Other than one game I purchased a ticket to, the only ones I attended were to clean up afterwards (my rowing coach at the time thought it was good way to raise money for the rowing program but that's another story ). If I had my choice, I'd trade all the basketball championships for another football championship.

I always say I'm so old I went to Duke before they were good in Basketball. Did see a lot of great players; however. Elmore; Lucas; Walter Davis; David Thompson. Once saw Duke blow something like a 7 point lead with less than 20 seconds left to NC.

And yeah; I have no issue with anyone taking the path they chose. Just hate how colleges have become mostly about the economic-industrial-complex like the military

It was a huge gaff by Rolling Stone. However I have a problem with you, Stratdal, and others who are so quick to shoot the messenger.

I read the article when the issue first came out (Issue 1223, Dec 4, 2014). Did any of YOU? I'd rather be reading a periodical which has the gumption to pursue an issue like this and makes some journalistic errors than one which plays it safe and never bothers to venture there. THEY APOLOGIZED. And besides, what damage did they do to the alleged perpetrator if they did not name him (them)??

If you DID read it (I sincerely doubt that you ever did), did you happen to catch this passage late in the article? And reading it now, can you honestly tell me that despite their errors, that RS isn't doing some important work here? Read on:

"And as this weekend progresses, things will get far worse at UVA: Two more sexual assaults will be reported to police, and, in every parent's worst fears come true, an 18-year-old student on her way to a party will vanish; her body will be discovered five weeks later.

Suspect Jesse Matthew Jr., a 32-year-old UVA hospital worker, will be charged with Hannah Grahams' "abduction with intent to defile," and a chilling portrait will emerge of an alleged predator who got his start a decade ago, as a campus rapist. Back in 2002, and again in 2003, Matthew was accused of sexual assault at two different Virginia colleges where he was enrolled, but was never prosecuted. In 2005, according to the new police indictment, Matthew sexually assaulted a 26-year-old and tried to kill her. DNA has also reportedly linked Matthew to the 2009 death of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington, who disappeared after a Metallica concert in Charlottesville. The grisly dossier of which Matthew has been accused underscores the premise that campus rape should be seen not through the schema of a dubious party foul, but as a violent crime -- and that victims should be encouraged to come forward as an act of civic good that could potentially spare future victims."

[Edited on 12/13/2014 by robslob]

Sorry but to defend Rolling Stone for not following basic journalistic practices makes no sense. What if it was your son or daughter who attended UVA? What if your son was a member of that Phi Psi chapter? What if he was a pledge? But since RS "APOLOGIZED" as you said, everything is okay and we can all go about our business. I hope the fraternity chapter sues the hell out of it.

If the magazine had wanted to discuss rape and other forms of sexual assault, there sadly is plenty to discuss rather than printing the accusations of someone without ATTEMPTING to verify if it's true or not. The real crime here is that this situation my prevent other victims from coming out and telling their stories.

Funny thing. The local super market at times displays RS in the same section as The Star and The National Enquirer.

BTW It's StratDal, not Stratdal. If you want to call me out rob, I'd appreciate you getting it right. If only RS had done so. Then again, it's RS.

[Edited on 12/14/2014 by StratDal]

I am SO sorry that I neglected to give you a capital "D" instead of lower case. If you get all upset about that...........well, you must be upset most of the time.

From the article:

"Eventually, UVA furnished Rolling Stone with some of it's most recent tally: In the last academic year, 38 students went to (Dean) Eramo about a sexual assault, up from about 20 students three years ago. However, of those 38, only nine resulted in "complaints"; the other 29 students evaporated. Of those nine complaints, four resulted in Sexual Misconduct Board hearings. UVA wasn't willing to disclose their outcomes, citing privacy. Like most colleges, sexual-assault proceedings at UVA unfold in total secrecy. Asked why UVA doesn't publish all it's data, President Sullivan explains that it might not be in keeping with "best practices" and thus may inadvertently discourage reporting."

StratDal: I do not mean to disparage your remarks in any way. Rolling Stone made some serious errors. However, I would offer this up: Was a discussion about rape on college campuses occurring before the RS article? I do NOT believe it was. Now that discussion is happening all over the country, here on this website, on CNN. Say what you will about RS, but I say that's pretty damn important.

StratDal: I do not mean to disparage your remarks in any way. Rolling Stone made some serious errors. However, I would offer this up: Was a discussion about rape on college campuses occurring before the RS article? I do NOT believe it was. Now that discussion is happening all over the country, here on this website, on CNN. Say what you will about RS, but I say that's pretty damn important.

Well at least you got the D right. 😛

StratDal: I do not mean to disparage your remarks in any way. Rolling Stone made some serious errors. However, I would offer this up: Was a discussion about rape on college campuses occurring before the RS article? I do NOT believe it was. Now that discussion is happening all over the country, here on this website, on CNN. Say what you will about RS, but I say that's pretty damn important.

Having a daughter who is a sophomore in college' I have to say that feminism and women's equality is woefully missing in the attitudes of her and her friends. More like Archie Bunker than Gloria Steinem for sure. It's scary when I hear her friends talk. I think the first step re: Campus Rape; etc is to mandate that the real police force be involved with any incident that if proven would be a felony. Campus security is more akin to Barney Fife than it is to Elliot Ness for sure. Kind of similar to letting Beacon Security handle OD's and rapes. There is such a conflict of interest in letting Colleges handle "crimes" whose adjudication smears their reputation.