Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
It would be more helpful to ask why was it not acted upon rather than make a conclusion, wouldn't it?
Who was informed within the specific agencies?
Who did they communicate the information to?
What response did the receive from those the information was disseminated to?
Get some accountability on this.
[Edited on 4/9/2020 by gina]
It would be more helpful to ask why was it not acted upon rather than make a conclusion, wouldn't it?
Who was informed within the specific agencies?
Who did they communicate the information to?
What response did the receive from those the information was disseminated to?Get some accountability on this.
[Edited on 4/9/2020 by gina]
I guess the below no longer is applicable. It's a new day.
Why did Truman say the buck stops here?
"The buck stops here" is a phrase that was popularized by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, who kept a sign with that phrase on his desk in the Oval Office. The phrase refers to the notion that the President has to make the decisions and accept the ultimate responsibility for those decisions.
It would be more helpful to ask why was it not acted upon rather than make a conclusion, wouldn't it?
Who was informed within the specific agencies?
Who did they communicate the information to?
What response did the receive from those the information was disseminated to?Get some accountability on this.
[Edited on 4/9/2020 by gina]
Obviously, gina....Did you read the article? It was included in Caligula's daily briefs....But he was too busy watching the Trump Network to actually read his daily briefs. Exercising that part of his brain is apparently too much work for our stable genius.
Interesting read. I wonder if other countries/nations were aware of this also?
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
"As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," the statement said.
So do we believe the leaks? Or do we believe the official statement of NCMI?
I tend to believe the leaks.
For one, the extent that the military, and so the NCMI, has such surveillance capability to intercept we wouldn't want to publicize that. Which is why I absolutely hate leaks like this as it shows adversaries what we know and when we knew it meaning those countries or individuals where the info came from can go back and take steps to better hide their communications and actions better. So damn it, stop leaking! It comes naturally then that the NCMI would deny the report.
Two, the November timeframe of the China outbreak aligns with other reports that China was experiencing the spread of a new virus before they officially acknowledged it.
Three, it explains why members of the administration had either hinted concerns or officially disclosed concerns about a potential global pandemic in late '19 or early '20.
It wasn't a failure of the administration to identify and assess what may happen, the failure was in what to do with the information...and we know at who's feet that lies.
"As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," the statement said.
So do we believe the leaks? Or do we believe the official statement of NCMI?
I tend to believe the leaks.
For one, the extent that the military, and so the NCMI, has such surveillance capability to intercept we wouldn't want to publicize that. Which is why I absolutely hate leaks like this as it shows adversaries what we know and when we knew it meaning those countries or individuals where the info came from can go back and take steps to better hide their communications and actions better. So damn it, stop leaking! It comes naturally then that the NCMI would deny the report.
Two, the November timeframe of the China outbreak aligns with other reports that China was experiencing the spread of a new virus before they officially acknowledged it.
Three, it explains why members of the administration had either hinted concerns or officially disclosed concerns about a potential global pandemic in late '19 or early '20.
It wasn't a failure of the administration to identify and assess what may happen, the failure was in what to do with the information...and we know at who's feet that lies.
Good summary, Nebish...You articulated it much better than I.....
"As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," the statement said.
So do we believe the leaks? Or do we believe the official statement of NCMI?
I tend to believe the leaks.
For one, the extent that the military, and so the NCMI, has such surveillance capability to intercept we wouldn't want to publicize that. Which is why I absolutely hate leaks like this as it shows adversaries what we know and when we knew it meaning those countries or individuals where the info came from can go back and take steps to better hide their communications and actions better. So damn it, stop leaking! It comes naturally then that the NCMI would deny the report.
Two, the November timeframe of the China outbreak aligns with other reports that China was experiencing the spread of a new virus before they officially acknowledged it.
Three, it explains why members of the administration had either hinted concerns or officially disclosed concerns about a potential global pandemic in late '19 or early '20.
It wasn't a failure of the administration to identify and assess what may happen, the failure was in what to do with the information...and we know at who's feet that lies.
Yet gina still makes excuses for the tiny fingered vulgarian.
Things are starting to get a little weird. There have been protests outside the Coronavirus briefing in Columbus Ohio.
Some people are picking up on comments Tony Fauci said earlier this year where he downplayed the risk:
Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), said Sunday the American public shouldn’t worry about the coronavirus outbreak in China.
“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.
“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”
Watch Dr. Fauci In January Say You Don't Need To Worry About Coronavirus
I'm not one of these people trying to drag Fauci or Birx through the mud. I've seen stories about Birx too, linking her husband to Clinton and blah blah blah.
I will defend these people, career public servants with their only agenda being applying their lifetime of experience in science and medicine and health research to the service of our country. But as I typically do, offering some counter-perspective here...so how do we square everything, if there as intelligence from November and we have some administration officials expressing concern and then we have another trusted and respected member (like Fauci here) not expressing concern, what does it all mean?
Well, there is always a tipping point. It's one thing to look at a situation and not consider it bad enough to cause worry, while still making preparations in case you need it. As I posted before, I knew about the serious problem in Wuhan in mid-December myself. Of course I'm a nobody, but I wasn't worried about it. Even after there were a few cases in the states, I didn't think there was too much to worry about, as I would have thought the US would have professionals in place to handle these things. However, the US had a team to handle these things until they were fired by Trump. Certainly some preparations should have been made with test kits, etc. As soon as Italy was hit, that is when the denials should have stopped and bracing to be hit should have kicked in.
Well, there is always a tipping point. It's one thing to look at a situation and not consider it bad enough to cause worry, while still making preparations in case you need it. As I posted before, I knew about the serious problem in Wuhan in mid-December myself. Of course I'm a nobody, but I wasn't worried about it. Even after there were a few cases in the states, I didn't think there was too much to worry about, as I would have thought the US would have professionals in place to handle these things. However, the US had a team to handle these things until they were fired by Trump. Certainly some preparations should have been made with test kits, etc. As soon as Italy was hit, that is when the denials should have stopped and bracing to be hit should have kicked in.
As we have said in other threads, we need a serious in depth investigation on how to avoid this in the future. An investigation the involves both domestic and international organizations on what they did, what they could have done, how to improve preparedness, etc....
But the fact that the President of the United States is still, STILL, contradicting the professionals is disheartening and dangerous. All to avoid taking responsibility or accepting any culpability with the federal response that has been very late in coming. All because he's such an egomaniac narcissist...
Well, there is always a tipping point. It's one thing to look at a situation and not consider it bad enough to cause worry, while still making preparations in case you need it. As I posted before, I knew about the serious problem in Wuhan in mid-December myself. Of course I'm a nobody, but I wasn't worried about it. Even after there were a few cases in the states, I didn't think there was too much to worry about, as I would have thought the US would have professionals in place to handle these things. However, the US had a team to handle these things until they were fired by Trump. Certainly some preparations should have been made with test kits, etc. As soon as Italy was hit, that is when the denials should have stopped and bracing to be hit should have kicked in.
As we have said in other threads, we need a serious in depth investigation on how to avoid this in the future. An investigation the involves both domestic and international organizations on what they did, what they could have done, how to improve preparedness, etc....
But the fact that the President of the United States is still, STILL, contradicting the professionals is disheartening and dangerous. All to avoid taking responsibility or accepting any culpability with the federal response that has been very late in coming. All because he's such an egomaniac narcissist...
Chain,
A little harsh there on Dr. Trump. Haven't you learned that he wants you to speak nicely to him. Otherwise he's liable to withhold your script for hydroxychloroquine.
This is a good article.
Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don't Like What They're Hearing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-keeps-talking-republicans-dont-122811994.html
Well, there is always a tipping point. It's one thing to look at a situation and not consider it bad enough to cause worry, while still making preparations in case you need it. As I posted before, I knew about the serious problem in Wuhan in mid-December myself. Of course I'm a nobody, but I wasn't worried about it. Even after there were a few cases in the states, I didn't think there was too much to worry about, as I would have thought the US would have professionals in place to handle these things. However, the US had a team to handle these things until they were fired by Trump. Certainly some preparations should have been made with test kits, etc. As soon as Italy was hit, that is when the denials should have stopped and bracing to be hit should have kicked in.
As we have said in other threads, we need a serious in depth investigation on how to avoid this in the future. An investigation the involves both domestic and international organizations on what they did, what they could have done, how to improve preparedness, etc....
But the fact that the President of the United States is still, STILL, contradicting the professionals is disheartening and dangerous. All to avoid taking responsibility or accepting any culpability with the federal response that has been very late in coming. All because he's such an egomaniac narcissist...
Chain,
A little harsh there on Dr. Trump. Haven't you learned that he wants you to speak nicely to him. Otherwise he's liable to withhold your script for hydroxychloroquine.
Ha, ha....I forgot to always speak nicely to dear leader. Thanks for the reminder. 😛
This is a good article.
Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don't Like What They're Hearing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-keeps-talking-republicans-dont-122811994.html/blockquote >
Touches on many things that are obvious to most anyone who listens or watches to the task force briefings; and echoes things that some of us have said here.
Trump is Trump. All these stories tell how the President should act and what he should do, he never does it. I too think Pence should lead these things, maybe have Trump come out a couple times a week. Monday's briefing was pretty good after Trump left and Pence took over with Fauci and Birx and Friday's overall was ok. But Tuesday-Thursday were largely wasted time really. Trump takes up a hour and half, then maybe leaves and we get 30 minutes with the people that most really want to hear from.
Trump has always made life difficult on fellow Republicans because he puts them in such bad positions to have to try and defend or explain what he is doing or what he meant when it is often impossible to credibly do so. Think about all the times here when people, sometimes myself, have said..."well, I think he meant this when he said that" - those kinds of things over and over and over, you just can't keep trying to explain away his behavior.
I agree about Pence....Let him give his usual spiel about the great Donald Trump, masterful leader, blow j*b moment thing and then bring the professionals up to the mic for the rest of the press conference.
But we all know why Trump can't do that....He's an addict and can't not hit on the crack pipe when passed by his face...So to speak. 😛
Getting back to where my head was yesterday, trying to understand how Fauci could've minimized the risk at a time we were complaining that Trump was doing the same. If somebody is predisposed to dislike Trump, naturally those people are going to grasp any questionable thing he says or does. We like Fauci, so when he says it we aren't critical of him in hindsight. Gov Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio weren't always on the same page with eachother (when to close schools) and they often weren't on the same page as the medical professionals in their state and city ("we have enough PPE" while workers protest outside hospitals because they don't have enough PPE). To me, I think it illustrates a confusing time on a bumpy road. And maybe some of that confusion is because of a vacuum of leadership, the road was going to be bumpy no matter what. You can't go through something like this when things roll off without a hitch.
The initial rollout of testing is unfortunate. It isn't Trump's fault, unless we think the individuals who were in charge of pandemic coordination could've avoided the error in faulty test kits. I don't know about that because they were there in the later half of the Obama Administration and the first part of the Trump administration and the US philosophy of developing our own tests never changed, the pandemic team could've changed that or improved it perhaps while they were still around before getting blended into the overall NSC. At any rate, looking forward rather than back, testing is still a mess showing lack of coordination and communication.
The thing I blame Trump for most is just not having a plan, or asking for a plan. They waited until it was time to respond to come up with the response. There should've been much discussion on this, which apparently Trump wasn't interested in.
We could've ramped up PPE supplies in February at the latest, rather than feverishly trying to find it all in March.
And then there is something we are still missing, which Trump is just not capable of providing - leadership and a unifying response from POTUS that can make us think "this is bad, but I'm confident the federal government is going to do what they must to get us through this". Instead he calls governors names. He fights with reporters. When speaking gives half truths or worse and offers conflicting and confusing information. He talks a lot and often says nothing or never comes close to answering a direct question in any understandable way.
There have been failures. Some things could've been better, some things perhaps could've been worse. We have to get through this. We have to make sure if something like this ever happens again, we will be better prepared.
This is a good article.
Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don't Like What They're Hearing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-keeps-talking-republicans-dont-122811994.html/blockquote >
Touches on many things that are obvious to most anyone who listens or watches to the task force briefings; and echoes things that some of us have said here.
Trump is Trump. All these stories tell how the President should act and what he should do, he never does it. I too think Pence should lead these things, maybe have Trump come out a couple times a week. Monday's briefing was pretty good after Trump left and Pence took over with Fauci and Birx and Friday's overall was ok. But Tuesday-Thursday were largely wasted time really. Trump takes up a hour and half, then maybe leaves and we get 30 minutes with the people that most really want to hear from.
Trump has always made life difficult on fellow Republicans because he puts them in such bad positions to have to try and defend or explain what he is doing or what he meant when it is often impossible to credibly do so. Think about all the times here when people, sometimes myself, have said..."well, I think he meant this when he said that" - those kinds of things over and over and over, you just can't keep trying to explain away his behavior.
Trump can't help himself. He loves the spotlight, craves the attention, and wants to control the show. Even when he's out of his league it doesn't stop him from just making up stuff, repeating, rambling, and not knowing when enough is enough. A more practical & more intelligent person with less of an an inflated ego would defer to skilled and subject matter experts.
To your point of the Repubs he puts in difficult situations - They may on occasion try to deal in reality with him, but for the most part they just go along, parrot his lines, and support him in spite of reality. They can live in the holes they dig for themselves. When Trump is out of office, you wonder if any of them will look back and question their unbridled loyalty to him and question themselves for putting Trump before the country. Fear does strange things to weak people.
This is a good article.
Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don't Like What They're Hearing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-keeps-talking-republicans-dont-122811994.html/blockquote >
Touches on many things that are obvious to most anyone who listens or watches to the task force briefings; and echoes things that some of us have said here.
Trump is Trump. All these stories tell how the President should act and what he should do, he never does it. I too think Pence should lead these things, maybe have Trump come out a couple times a week. Monday's briefing was pretty good after Trump left and Pence took over with Fauci and Birx and Friday's overall was ok. But Tuesday-Thursday were largely wasted time really. Trump takes up a hour and half, then maybe leaves and we get 30 minutes with the people that most really want to hear from.
Trump has always made life difficult on fellow Republicans because he puts them in such bad positions to have to try and defend or explain what he is doing or what he meant when it is often impossible to credibly do so. Think about all the times here when people, sometimes myself, have said..."well, I think he meant this when he said that" - those kinds of things over and over and over, you just can't keep trying to explain away his behavior.
Trump can't help himself. He loves the spotlight, craves the attention, and wants to control the show. Even when he's out of his league it doesn't stop him from just making up stuff, repeating, rambling, and not knowing when enough is enough. A more practical & more intelligent person with less of an an inflated ego would defer to skilled and subject matter experts.
To your point of the Repubs he puts in difficult situations - They may on occasion try to deal in reality with him, but for the most part they just go along, parrot his lines, and support him in spite of reality. They can live in the holes they dig for themselves. When Trump is out of office, you wonder if any of them will look back and question their unbridled loyalty to him and question themselves for putting Trump before the country. Fear does strange things to weak people.
Indeed fear does make people do strange things....But we know their fear is mostly of losing their coveted positions within the strange world of elected office. Especially federally elected politicians.
Many of them have fairly cushy gigs, especially Senators...And the wealth they can obtain for themselves, if even remotely shrewd and ambitious, is quite sizable....All of which is part of the allure i guess...
Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273 Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
You're right, Fuij, it's complete nonsense and we should look the other way and coddle dear leader yet again. Let's just bury our heads in the sand and deny what is right in front of our face. All because other presidents have done the same....
Those other presidents have usually acknowledged their failings and not pushed the blame onto others and then purged the people who brought the failure to light. It all comes back to the "leadership" thing we keep hearing about.
Instead dear leader attacks the press, other politicians picking up the slack he created, deny's any culpability on his part, etc...All because he's so thin skinned and weak.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273 Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
What happened to you? Seriously. What in the hell happened to you?
I will never understand how and why so many smart, independent thinking and deeply principled people will defend this guy at any cost, all the while completely ignoring everything he says or does.
He might just attempting to take a broader view of things than the tired ‘Trump fucked it up’ by-rote answer to everything
It’s easy to second guess everything Trump does - armchair quarterbacking enables that, but I don’t think it’s fair - when it’s warranted yes, but I don’t think it is here - he went on the best advice he had at the time
But many feel he caused Covid 19 & its spread, incl Schiff & Democrats, who are empanelling another of their august investigative bodies ‘to prove criminal culpability against Donald Trump’ for it
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273 Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
What happened to you? Seriously. What in the hell happened to you?
I will never understand how and why so many smart, independent thinking and deeply principled people will defend this guy at any cost, all the while completely ignoring everything he says or does.
While at the same time, your consistency of ignoring the subject and attacking the personality on anything you don't like remains solid as a rock. Such a good little Alinskyite!
All I did was point out the ridiculous trap of believing that any President should take the info from our intelligence community as gospel, and instantly I worship Trump. Its a hoot that he's got progressives on such a hair-trigger that you can be set off so easily and so irrationally.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273 Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
What happened to you? Seriously. What in the hell happened to you?
I will never understand how and why so many smart, independent thinking and deeply principled people will defend this guy at any cost, all the while completely ignoring everything he says or does.
While at the same time, your consistency of ignoring the subject and attacking the personality on anything you don't like remains solid as a rock. Such a good little Alinskyite!
All I did was point out the ridiculous trap of believing that any President should take the info from our intelligence community as gospel, and instantly I worship Trump. Its a hoot that he's got progressives on such a hair-trigger that you can be set off so easily and so irrationally.
So do you back Trump or think he was out of line on this highlight moment with respect to his thoughts towards our good friend, Mr. Putin and shoving aside our intel agencies? Trump and Putin or USA intel?
The most shameful, stunning moment of the Trump presidency
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-press-conference/index.html
He might just attempting to take a broader view of things than the tired ‘Trump fucked it up’ by-rote answer to everything
It’s easy to second guess everything Trump does - armchair quarterbacking enables that, but I don’t think it’s fair - when it’s warranted yes, but I don’t think it is here - he went on the best advice he had at the time
But many feel he caused Covid 19 & its spread, incl Schiff & Democrats, who are empanelling another of their august investigative bodies ‘to prove criminal culpability against Donald Trump’ for it
I have yet to hear Schiff or any Democrat with half a brain suggest Trump caused Covid 19 or its spread....That is complete nonsense. What is also complete nonsense is the way many of the Trump enablers keep touting that spin like it's true. Most of us are simply critical of his lackluster response and incompetence with disseminating truth and facts.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273 Yet more evidence of the Trump administrations incompetence.
So how many times have Presidents accepted reports from our intelligence experts, acted on them, only to be criticized later for not looking more deeply because the intelligence community got it wrong? The list is endless. But this time he's incompetent because he didn't immediately vacuum seal the country back in Nov. What nonsense!
What happened to you? Seriously. What in the hell happened to you?
I will never understand how and why so many smart, independent thinking and deeply principled people will defend this guy at any cost, all the while completely ignoring everything he says or does.
While at the same time, your consistency of ignoring the subject and attacking the personality on anything you don't like remains solid as a rock. Such a good little Alinskyite!
All I did was point out the ridiculous trap of believing that any President should take the info from our intelligence community as gospel, and instantly I worship Trump. Its a hoot that he's got progressives on such a hair-trigger that you can be set off so easily and so irrationally.
Re-read my post again. There’s no political side taking in it whatsoever.
I have no idea how a person as smart and principled as you can defend this guy, all the while ignoring everything he says and does.
He might just attempting to take a broader view of things than the tired ‘Trump fucked it up’ by-rote answer to everything
It’s easy to second guess everything Trump does - armchair quarterbacking enables that, but I don’t think it’s fair - when it’s warranted yes, but I don’t think it is here - he went on the best advice he had at the time
But many feel he caused Covid 19 & its spread, incl Schiff & Democrats, who are empanelling another of their august investigative bodies ‘to prove criminal culpability against Donald Trump’ for it
All I read here is you telling me that no one has any right to criticize the President.
The last two posts are from (the) Left field alright
Don’t know how you come to that conclusion Bhawk - when its warranted, of course you have a right to criticize & say your POV
the general criticism of dumping it all in Trump’s lap, to me is unfair
I do need to reword my own POV - inaccurate to say many feel he was the Cause of Covid 19 - thanks for the heads up on that Chain
Am shocked however to see you say the Democrats don’t blame Trump for its spread - that’s all I’ve heard them assert - that had he acted quicker/more responsibly, we wouldn’t be in this mess today
Skydog32103’s post is outta my league
W/malice toward none on this Easter Sunday or anytime
[Edited on 4/12/2020 by Stephen]
He might just attempting to take a broader view of things than the tired ‘Trump fucked it up’ by-rote answer to everything
It’s easy to second guess everything Trump does - armchair quarterbacking enables that, but I don’t think it’s fair - when it’s warranted yes, but I don’t think it is here - he went on the best advice he had at the time
But many feel he caused Covid 19 & its spread, incl Schiff & Democrats, who are empanelling another of their august investigative bodies ‘to prove criminal culpability against Donald Trump’ for it
All I read here is you telling me that no one has any right to criticize the President.
If Trump would accept responsibility for a single mistake he has made in the last 3+ years, he might not get jumped on so much. Regardless of how big a mistake he makes, he things he is God's gift to America and that he has never, ever made a mistake. The fact that the redhats blindly follow him and defend him at all costs has made America a joke.
