I wasnt aware indiana was a hostile place for the gays before this law was passed. if the gays Want to get married they can by law in most places now. The gays should exhibit some more tolerance and accept that some people willl give them their shirt off their back if they were in need but why force the gay wedding festivities on some folks who are not comfortable.
Awaiting the SC decision. Want to bet what side Scalia & Thomas side with?
BillyBlastoff, I agree with you 100%, and people like the pizzeria owners disgust me. But what is the solution? To fine them?
Everything is finally cured by time.
Last WSJ poll on the matter, 59% of Americans across all age groups supported same-sex marriage, but the 18-35s? 74%. Seventy-four percent. I know quite a few people under 30. I can honestly say I don't know a one of them that care one way or the other, many have no idea why being gay is such a big deal to begin with.
I've used this argument (not exact wording) several times on this site to prove points. You are oh so correct in your first line. Years from now this & many of the current day conservative & GOP politicized social issues will become a thing of the past. The younger generation sees things through wider eyes and are more accepting. The older generations will die off in numbers where the intolerance will slowly dissipate. There will always be holdouts and throwbacks, but it's my theory (and the numbers you posted seem to support it) over time a progressive and more accepting mindset evolves.
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
And we all feel badly for you.
Re: Point 1. Either you see it as discrimination or you don't. Oh yeah...you say you'd cater a gay wedding, but on the other hand you've been "the proxy" on this site through all these posts for the pizza shop.
You bet I would! Gay, straight, bi, you name it. Catering pays well.
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
You're starting to sound like a woman being forced by some grumpy old male legislator to have a forced ultrasound. Our sympathies go out to you.
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
The gays should exhibit some more tolerance and accept that some people will give them the shirt off their back if they were in need but why force the gay wedding festivities on some folks who are not comfortable.
Agreed. Tolerance, is a two way street and change has been a long time coming. I can certainly understand how a percentage of the populace feels as though the Gay agenda is being forced on them, comply or be a bigot. I don't own a business, am not Religious and wish all people happiness in whatever endeavor.....That being said, the tweet from the H.S. volleyball Coach asking "Who is with me"? when speaking about burning the Pizza parlor to the ground is probably not the best way to go about things.
I wonder if or how much ALEC had a hand in the original writing of the Indiana or Arkansas law. Or any of them for that matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council
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I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
Way to play the victim when you clearly aren't one. Nobody (or at least almost nobody) wants to see Christianity eradicated. But why should non-Christians have to live by the principles of a religion they don't practice? I'm pretty sure you don't want to live under Shakira Law as a Christian, right? Everyone needs to understand that nobody is keeping you from practicing your beliefs. I would feel the same way if someone refused to provide a service to a Christian claiming that it was against their religion to do so. That is clearly wrong! Do we really want to live in a world that has businesses that will only sell to Christian, or Jews, or gays, or straights, or Republicans, or Democrats? I don't. Do we really want a divided America any more than we already have?
http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/28153-conservative-gay-radio-host-defends-indiana-pizza-parlor-and-it-s-awesomesauce
here's a different take on this,
here's a different take on this,
This conservative gay radio host is doing the same thing I was accusing alloak of doing. She is denigrating "liberals", the entire "gay community" and by extension anyone who against discrimination based on sexual orientation based on the abhorrent actions of a relative few, while at the same time saying that not all "conservative christians" are bigots despite the vocal minority from within their ranks that clearly are bigots. People like this person want to have it both ways, and that is what rubs me the wrong way.
Here is a quote by the "conservative gay radio host" that sums it up for me...
"And as much as liberals would like to push the idea that conservative Christians would like to banish them from the community, that’s anything but the truth. But when it comes to their hate of everyone who disagrees with them, well, you got yourself a whole different ball game."
She is basically saying "conservative Christians" are not all the same and it isn't fair to judge them all based on the words of a minority of people within their ranks, but with "liberals" it is "a whole different ballgame." To me, that really isn't a "different take" at all, just more of the same sad hypocritical posturing.
[Edited on 4/5/2015 by gondicar]
http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/28153-conservative-gay-radio-host-defends-indiana-pizza-parlor-and-it-s-awesomesauce
here's a different take on this,
This conservative gay radio host is doing the same thing I was accusing alloak of doing. She is denigrating "liberals", the entire "gay community" and by extension anyone who against discrimination based on sexual orientation based on the abhorrent actions of a relative few, while at the same time saying that not all "conservative christians" are bigots despite the vocal minority from within their ranks that clearly are bigots. People like this person want to have it both ways, and that is what rubs me the wrong way.
Here is a quote by the "conservative gay radio host" that sums it up for me...
"And as much as liberals would like to push the idea that conservative Christians would like to banish them from the community, that’s anything but the truth. But when it comes to their hate of everyone who disagrees with them, well, you got yourself a whole different ball game."
She is basically saying "conservative Christians" are not all the same and it isn't fair to judge them all based on the words of a minority of people within their ranks, but with "liberals" it is "a whole different ballgame." To me, that really isn't a "different take" at all, just more of the same sad hypocritical posturing.
[Edited on 4/5/2015 by gondicar]
The only person on the planet I can control is myself. I don't make death threats, threats of destruction of property, make nasty phone calls, emails, ect, against people I don't agree with. I don't even believe in boycotts. Please be careful when you start calling people hypocrites.
http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/28153-conservative-gay-radio-host-defends-indiana-pizza-parlor-and-it-s-awesomesauce
here's a different take on this,This conservative gay radio host is doing the same thing I was accusing alloak of doing. She is denigrating "liberals", the entire "gay community" and by extension anyone who against discrimination based on sexual orientation based on the abhorrent actions of a relative few, while at the same time saying that not all "conservative christians" are bigots despite the vocal minority from within their ranks that clearly are bigots. People like this person want to have it both ways, and that is what rubs me the wrong way.
Here is a quote by the "conservative gay radio host" that sums it up for me...
"And as much as liberals would like to push the idea that conservative Christians would like to banish them from the community, that’s anything but the truth. But when it comes to their hate of everyone who disagrees with them, well, you got yourself a whole different ball game."
She is basically saying "conservative Christians" are not all the same and it isn't fair to judge them all based on the words of a minority of people within their ranks, but with "liberals" it is "a whole different ballgame." To me, that really isn't a "different take" at all, just more of the same sad hypocritical posturing.
[Edited on 4/5/2015 by gondicar]
The only person on the planet I can control is myself. I don't make death threats, threats of destruction of property, make nasty phone calls, emails, ect, against people I don't agree with. I don't even believe in boycotts. Please be careful when you start calling people hypocrites.
Thanks for the warning, but I was very clear about what I thought you were being hypocritical about and it had nothing to do with you personally doing any of those things. If that's what you think, then you need to go back and re-read the thread.
http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/28153-conservative-gay-radio-host-defends-indiana-pizza-parlor-and-it-s-awesomesauce
here's a different take on this,
This conservative gay radio host is doing the same thing I was accusing alloak of doing. She is denigrating "liberals", the entire "gay community" and by extension anyone who against discrimination based on sexual orientation based on the abhorrent actions of a relative few, while at the same time saying that not all "conservative christians" are bigots despite the vocal minority from within their ranks that clearly are bigots. People like this person want to have it both ways, and that is what rubs me the wrong way.
Here is a quote by the "conservative gay radio host" that sums it up for me...
"And as much as liberals would like to push the idea that conservative Christians would like to banish them from the community, that’s anything but the truth. But when it comes to their hate of everyone who disagrees with them, well, you got yourself a whole different ball game.
[Edited on 4/5/2015 by gondicar]
I didn't see that that was her quote,maybe Carlson's,And I don't find that she denigrated the "entire gay community" at all
I'm not saying anyone should be forced to cater a gay wedding if they don't want to, but how on Earth does catering a gay wedding go against Christian beliefs? The only thing that is against Christian beliefs is to perform a homosexual act. How is catering a gay wedding performing a homosexual act?
I'm not saying anyone should be forced to cater a gay wedding if they don't want to, but how on Earth does catering a gay wedding go against Christian beliefs? The only thing that is against Christian beliefs is to perform a homosexual act. How is catering a gay wedding performing a homosexual act?
it doesn't go against Christian beliefs, you're right. As a business owner, I'll take anyone's money. The people taking this stand aren't cognizant of the fact that there's a difference between the sin and the sinner. Just as all are welcome in God's kingdom, all should be, should be, welcome in any Christian's business...an extension of God's kingdom. Me, I'd be like, "Thank you for your patronage (money) and may God bless you". These people are forgoing an opportunity to witness...
It is a matter of being forced cater to homosexuals while being forced to go against your religious beliefs.
No one should be forced by a government to give up their Constitutional Rights and Religious Beliefs to cater to homosexuals.
The discrimination in this matter is against people who are exercising their faith.
It is a matter of being forced cater to homosexuals while being forced to go against your religious beliefs.
No one should be forced by a government to give up their Constitutional Rights and Religious Beliefs to cater to homosexuals.
The discrimination in this matter is against people who are exercising their faith.
In what religion is serving food to homosexuals a sin (or an infringement in exercising faith in that religion in any way)? In that religion, is there anyone else to whom serving food would be a sin? Can you make a list?
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It is a matter of being forced cater to homosexuals while being forced to go against your religious beliefs.
No one should be forced by a government to give up their Constitutional Rights and Religious Beliefs to cater to homosexuals.
The discrimination in this matter is against people who are exercising their faith.
Who would jesus not serve food to?.
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Your ignorance of the Christian faith is so typical of the secular progressives.
And Jesus is spelt with a capital J dumbass.
muledouche's ignorance on ANY subject matter is laughable.
keep those belly laughs coming, tea bagging clown.
muledouche's ignorance on ANY subject matter is laughable.
keep those belly laughs coming, tea bagging clown.
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Ron, are you unable or incapable of posting your opinion on this thread?
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
As someone raised Catholic who thinks the church is still living in the dark ages I can think of worst things happening then what you sarcastically are suggesting. 😉
I've had enough. It looks like the right sorts of things are happening. The law is being revised. Enough people spoke up to show that the world is changing. For the bigots who want to hold on to their homophobic beliefs - well everything is cured by time.
In my life I've seen amazing changes in America. May we keep progressing.
Who knows? Maybe at some point Christianity can be totally eradicated and everything will finally be swell. Everybody is sick of their stupid feelings and beliefs anyway. And I'm really sick of them forcing me to go along with whatever they want.
As someone raised Catholic who thinks the church is still living in the dark ages I can think of worst things happening then what you sarcastically are suggesting. 😉
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything except for the homosexuals demanding that Christians give up their beliefs and accept theirs.
Wrong. Again.
Wrong. Again.
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An interestingly empty statement.
No reference, no purpose.
Why is the left so intolerant?
No homosexual in Indiana was denied service and the vitriol of the liberals against Christians has no basis in fact; only their socialist agenda.
When anything can be misconstrued by the left as discrimination, whether it happened or not, it becomes front page news in the liberal rags and websites.
Just like “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” never happened the manufactured injustice in Indiana is exactly that, built on fraud and the liberals social agenda. It is the very definition of intolerance.
After someone walks into a Kosher Deli and demands a ham sandwich and is not served, have they been discriminated against?
If someone goes to a custom t-shirt shop operated by Muslims and orders a t-shirt printed with an image of The Prophet Mohammed depicted in an in unfavorable manner and the shop refuses to print it, has the customer been discriminated against?
If a woman refuses to have unprotected sex with someone with HIV/AIDS, should that women be sued for discrimination?
Why is the left so intolerant?
Both sides are intolerant. As for who was intolerant first, there's no concrete answer to that.
After someone walks into a Kosher Deli and demands a ham sandwich and is not served, have they been discriminated against?
It depends on the reason they weren't served.
If someone goes to a custom t-shirt shop operated by Muslims and orders a t-shirt printed with an image of The Prophet Mohammed depicted in an in unfavorable manner and the shop refuses to print it, has the customer been discriminated against?
No, because printing the image of Mohamed is a direct violation of Islamic beliefs. Working with homosexuals, even at a religious ceremony like a gay wedding, is NOT any type of violation of Christian beliefs - only performing a gay act is a violation.
If a woman refuses to have unprotected sex with someone with HIV/AIDS, should that women be sued for discrimination?
No, because she would most likely die. Catering a gay wedding does not violate any Christian beliefs, nor would it kill someone.
I think your posts are funny. You help us Liberals more than you could ever imagine. I just feel bad for the other conservatives on this site who abondon threads because they don't want to associate with you.
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Colorado bakery that refused to bake anti-gay cakes did not discriminate, state agency says
By Peter Holley April 4
Owners of a Denver bakery did not discriminate against a customer by refusing to fulfill an order requesting two cakes with ant-gay imagery and wording on them.
That’s the message from the Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies, which ruled that the Azucar Bakery was within its rights when employees refused to carry out an order from customer William Jack in March 2014, according to the Denver Post.
Jack, a Christian who originally told reporters that he believes Azucar Bakery “discriminated” against him “based on my creed,” had asked the bakery to bake him two Bible-shaped cakes, ABC affiliate 7 News Denver reported.
[Online donations for controversial Indiana pizza joint top $840,000]
The first cake would include disdainful words about gays and a second cake would include two men holding hands and an X on top of them. Jack asked that the cake be decorated with the biblical verses “God hates sin. Psalm 45:7? and “Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18:2,” the decision by the department’s Civil Rights Division said, according to 7 News Denver.
Marjorie Silva, the bakery’s owner, agreed to make the cakes but refused to put the ant-gay imagery on them, according to the AP.
“It’s just horrible. It doesn’t matter if, you know, if you’re Catholic, or Jewish, or Christian, if I’m gay or not gay or whatever,” Silva, 40, told the Associated Press. “We should all be loving each other. I mean there’s no reason to discriminate.”
Not long after her refusal, Silva said she received notice from the state’s Department of Regulatory Agencies that she was the subject of a religious discrimination complaint.
While Jack argued that he had been discriminated against for being Christian, the department’s decision said evidence showed Silva refused to bake the cakes because the customer’s requests included “derogatory language and imagery,” according to 7 News Denver:
The baker said “in the same manner [she] would not accept [an order from] anyone wanting to make a discriminatory cake against Christians, [she] will not make one that discriminates against gays,” according to the decision.
“The evidence demonstrates that [Silva] would deny such requests to any customer, regardless of creed.”
The decision, according to 7 News Denver, noted that Silva is Catholic and employs multiple Christian and non-Christian employees.
The decision also noted that the bakery Web site includes multiple examples of cakes decorated with Christian symbols and language, including the words “God Bless” and “Mi Bautizo,” which is Spanish for “my baptism.”
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[W]hile [the customer] has succeeded in getting publicity for his cause, he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. Colorado law bans discrimination by a wide range of businesses, but only when the discrimination is based on "disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry." This means that a store may not specifically refuse to sell cakes to gays, or sell them to (say) Baptists. It may well mean that it may not specifically refuse to sell cakes for use in same-sex marriages, or in Baptist events. It may even mean that it may not specifically refuse to inscribe messages that identify buyers as gay (e.g., "John and Bill's marriage"), or as Baptist (e.g., "Baptist Church Picnic").
But nothing in the law bans discrimination based on ideology more broadly. A store can refuse to sell to someone because he's a Nazi, or a Communist, or pro-life, or pro-choice, or pro-gay-rights, or anti-gay-rights. A store can likewise refuse to inscribe cakes with Nazi, Communist, pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gay-rights, or anti-gay-rights messages, if it's discriminating based on the ideology of the message, rather than the religiosity of the buyer.
