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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence stands by controversial state law that effectively legalizes discrimination

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alloak41
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This has got to be the most misunderstood law to ever come down the pipe. Whether it's being intentionally misunderstood or not appears to be the question.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 9:14 am
LeglizHemp
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Angie's List still says they don't like it. People are starting to think they are using this as an excuse to back out of their expansion plans.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 9:31 am
kdick
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Religion + Politics = Disaster. Pretty simple really.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 9:33 am
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This has got to be the most misunderstood law to ever come down the pipe. Whether it's being intentionally misunderstood or not appears to be the question.

So what part is misunderstood?


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 9:44 am
alloak41
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This has got to be the most misunderstood law to ever come down the pipe. Whether it's being intentionally misunderstood or not appears to be the question.

So what part is misunderstood?

It doesn't "legalize" discrimination. How's that for an example?

I guess if you announce something on a big enough and loud enough megaphone it's going to carry a lot of clout and take hold, fiction or not. .


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 10:16 am
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Then why are they amending it to state exactly that - that it can't be used to discriminate?


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 10:49 am
LeglizHemp
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Shit I'm gonna come out against this, go on TV and start my own GoFundMe account.

http://wishtv.com/2015/04/02/indiana-pizza-parlor-closes-raises-over-142000-with-gofundme/

Indiana pizza parlor closes, raises over $142,000 with GoFundMe


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 11:21 am
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This has got to be the most misunderstood law to ever come down the pipe. Whether it's being intentionally misunderstood or not appears to be the question.

What don't you understand?


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 11:33 am
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This whine is just as comical as the first time you made it years ago. Democrats are everything that is wrong with America, Republicans are the embodiment of human perfection. SSDD.

Your words, not mine.

Alright then.

What exactly should Governor Pence have known before he signed this bill? The rightwingoverse has made it a mantra talking point that the Indiana law exactly mirrors the Federal RFCA (it doesn't) and all the other State RFCAs (it doesn't)...so, did Pence make a mistake by just signing the law, or by signing this particular law?

Are you saying that there is nothing at all wrong with the Indiana law in its current state?

If adding new laws to the books goes towards the heart of the matter as far as the damage that liberals do and the danger of liberal thinking (most definitely your words) then why is this new law a good thing?

1. Cool

2. Pence should have known the firestorm that would result. That it would be used against his party to further the myth that all Republicans are bigoted wacked out holy roller homophobes. The original RFCA was submitted by Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. I wouldn't expect the Left to get in much of an uproar over that.

3. Let's put it this way. I'm much more concerned about a law that shuts a business down and fines them $375,000 a day because the EPA designated a drainage ditch running along the back of the property as a wetland area. Or Gibson guitars being dragged through the legal process, held and at gunpoint while inventory was seized, because they used the wrong wood. Or a 9 year old girl getting her lemonade stand on the side of the road shut down for not having the proper permits. Or somebody sitting in jail for five years because they got caught with a marijuana cigarette. The list goes on....

4. I haven't really judged the law as being good or bad. I'll let others make that determination.

1. I'll never believe you don't feel that way about Republicans and Democrats.

2. See #1

3. See #1

4. See #1


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 12:16 pm
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**** I'm gonna come out against this, go on TV and start my own GoFundMe account.

http://wishtv.com/2015/04/02/indiana-pizza-parlor-closes-raises-over-142000 -with-gofundme/

Indiana pizza parlor closes, raises over $142,000 with GoFundMe

From what I read there business was floundering before they made the statement and they make crappy pizza.

Now they get rewarded for being small minded, judgmental, discriminatory, homophobic, hate merchants.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 12:23 pm
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hate merchants.

But the death threats they got must have come from the loving tolerant left


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 12:45 pm
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**** I'm gonna come out against this, go on TV and start my own GoFundMe account.

http://wishtv.com/2015/04/02/indiana-pizza-parlor-closes-raises-over-142000 -with-gofundme/

Indiana pizza parlor closes, raises over $142,000 with GoFundMe

From what I read there business was floundering before they made the statement and they make crappy pizza.

Now they get rewarded for being small minded, judgmental, discriminatory, homophobic, hate merchants.

It turned out to be good for business.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:18 pm
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The original RFCA was submitted by Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. I wouldn't expect the Left to get in much of an uproar over that.

Perhaps you are forgetting that the political and social climate was very different 22 years ago. But that aside, the Federal RFRA law is different from Indiana's versions in several important ways, and not nearly as broad in its definitions and remedies. Feel free to look it up.

[Edited on 4/2/2015 by gondicar]


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:25 pm
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But the death threats they got must have come from the loving tolerant left

Yeah I'm on that mailing list. You can sign up at www.theleft.com

Because everyone on the Left is exactly the same.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:26 pm
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That's awful about that pizza place, IMO. That lady should have never gone on camera.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:40 pm
alloak41
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Then why are they amending it to state exactly that - that it can't be used to discriminate?

To prevent further misinterpretation.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:42 pm
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This week the restaurant made national news when owner Crystal O’Connor said the restaurant would deny catering services if a gay couple asked the pizzeria to provide pizzas for their wedding.

How out of touch are these pizza shop owners......to think that a gay couple would have a low-end menu item like pizza served at their wedding. No self-respecting homosexual would ever have such poor taste.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:53 pm
alloak41
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This whine is just as comical as the first time you made it years ago. Democrats are everything that is wrong with America, Republicans are the embodiment of human perfection. SSDD.

Your words, not mine.

Alright then.

What exactly should Governor Pence have known before he signed this bill? The rightwingoverse has made it a mantra talking point that the Indiana law exactly mirrors the Federal RFCA (it doesn't) and all the other State RFCAs (it doesn't)...so, did Pence make a mistake by just signing the law, or by signing this particular law?

Are you saying that there is nothing at all wrong with the Indiana law in its current state?

If adding new laws to the books goes towards the heart of the matter as far as the damage that liberals do and the danger of liberal thinking (most definitely your words) then why is this new law a good thing?

1. Cool

2. Pence should have known the firestorm that would result. That it would be used against his party to further the myth that all Republicans are bigoted wacked out holy roller homophobes. The original RFCA was submitted by Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. I wouldn't expect the Left to get in much of an uproar over that.

3. Let's put it this way. I'm much more concerned about a law that shuts a business down and fines them $375,000 a day because the EPA designated a drainage ditch running along the back of the property as a wetland area. Or Gibson guitars being dragged through the legal process, held and at gunpoint while inventory was seized, because they used the wrong wood. Or a 9 year old girl getting her lemonade stand on the side of the road shut down for not having the proper permits. Or somebody sitting in jail for five years because they got caught with a marijuana cigarette. The list goes on....

4. I haven't really judged the law as being good or bad. I'll let others make that determination.

1. I'll never believe you don't feel that way about Republicans and Democrats.

Nothing I can do about that. Apparently you cherry pick which of my posts to read. Read some, skip some. For instance, many of them are openly critical of the government at large without mentioning a party by name. It's the whole enchilada.

Other times I have been openly critical of the GOP as whole, as well as individual members of the party. Republican human perfection my @ss. They're far from what I hope they should be.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:55 pm
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But the death threats they got must have come from the loving tolerant left

Yeah I'm on that mailing list. You can sign up at www.theleft.com

Because everyone on the Left is exactly the same.

Thanks for the link, Brother Billy. I went to that site & was able to book a luxury hotel in Hong Kong at a rate much cheaper than Expedia & Priceline. Grin


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 1:57 pm
MartinD28
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This whine is just as comical as the first time you made it years ago. Democrats are everything that is wrong with America, Republicans are the embodiment of human perfection. SSDD.

Your words, not mine.

Alright then.

What exactly should Governor Pence have known before he signed this bill? The rightwingoverse has made it a mantra talking point that the Indiana law exactly mirrors the Federal RFCA (it doesn't) and all the other State RFCAs (it doesn't)...so, did Pence make a mistake by just signing the law, or by signing this particular law?

Are you saying that there is nothing at all wrong with the Indiana law in its current state?

If adding new laws to the books goes towards the heart of the matter as far as the damage that liberals do and the danger of liberal thinking (most definitely your words) then why is this new law a good thing?

1. Cool

2. Pence should have known the firestorm that would result. That it would be used against his party to further the myth that all Republicans are bigoted wacked out holy roller homophobes. The original RFCA was submitted by Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. I wouldn't expect the Left to get in much of an uproar over that.

3. Let's put it this way. I'm much more concerned about a law that shuts a business down and fines them $375,000 a day because the EPA designated a drainage ditch running along the back of the property as a wetland area. Or Gibson guitars being dragged through the legal process, held and at gunpoint while inventory was seized, because they used the wrong wood. Or a 9 year old girl getting her lemonade stand on the side of the road shut down for not having the proper permits. Or somebody sitting in jail for five years because they got caught with a marijuana cigarette. The list goes on....

4. I haven't really judged the law as being good or bad. I'll let others make that determination.

1. I'll never believe you don't feel that way about Republicans and Democrats.

Nothing I can do about that. Apparently you cherry pick which of my posts to read. Read some, skip some. For instance, many of them are openly critical of the government at large without mentioning a party by name. It's the whole enchilada.

Other times I have been openly critical of the GOP as whole, as well as individual members of the party. Republican human perfection my @ss. They're far from what I hope they should be.

hawk,

The takeaway from the above post by alloak is summed up in his one sentence, "It's the whole enchilada."

Bottom line - you now have a choice of enchiladas or pizza. There are always good choices in the WP.
Grin Grin


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 2:02 pm
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This whine is just as comical as the first time you made it years ago. Democrats are everything that is wrong with America, Republicans are the embodiment of human perfection. SSDD.

Your words, not mine.

Alright then.

What exactly should Governor Pence have known before he signed this bill? The rightwingoverse has made it a mantra talking point that the Indiana law exactly mirrors the Federal RFCA (it doesn't) and all the other State RFCAs (it doesn't)...so, did Pence make a mistake by just signing the law, or by signing this particular law?

Are you saying that there is nothing at all wrong with the Indiana law in its current state?

If adding new laws to the books goes towards the heart of the matter as far as the damage that liberals do and the danger of liberal thinking (most definitely your words) then why is this new law a good thing?

1. Cool

2. Pence should have known the firestorm that would result. That it would be used against his party to further the myth that all Republicans are bigoted wacked out holy roller homophobes. The original RFCA was submitted by Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. I wouldn't expect the Left to get in much of an uproar over that.

3. Let's put it this way. I'm much more concerned about a law that shuts a business down and fines them $375,000 a day because the EPA designated a drainage ditch running along the back of the property as a wetland area. Or Gibson guitars being dragged through the legal process, held and at gunpoint while inventory was seized, because they used the wrong wood. Or a 9 year old girl getting her lemonade stand on the side of the road shut down for not having the proper permits. Or somebody sitting in jail for five years because they got caught with a marijuana cigarette. The list goes on....

4. I haven't really judged the law as being good or bad. I'll let others make that determination.

1. I'll never believe you don't feel that way about Republicans and Democrats.

Nothing I can do about that. Apparently you cherry pick which of my posts to read. Read some, skip some. For instance, many of them are openly critical of the government at large without mentioning a party by name. It's the whole enchilada.

Other times I have been openly critical of the GOP as whole, as well as individual members of the party. Republican human perfection my @ss. They're far from what I hope they should be.

You have never criticized any Republican who is currently in office. Your criticism of government at large is often of the old "they all suck" variety which is not really any criticism at all. And, when shown evidence that you are wrong, you double down on yor position. The Hillary Clinton thread is proof of that.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 2:18 pm
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**** I'm gonna come out against this, go on TV and start my own GoFundMe account.

http://wishtv.com/2015/04/02/indiana-pizza-parlor-closes-raises-over-142000 -with-gofundme/

Indiana pizza parlor closes, raises over $142,000 with GoFundMe

From what I read there business was floundering before they made the statement and they make crappy pizza.

Now they get rewarded for being small minded, judgmental, discriminatory, homophobic, hate merchants.

It turned out to be good for business.

It's disgusting that so many bigots would give money to a bunch of like minded homophobes.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 4:14 pm
alloak41
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Calling people bigots, making fun of them, making death threats, threats to destroy property, and the like are NOT the way to win folks over to your side and think like you do.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 5:12 pm
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The pizza restaurant has raised almost 320,000 dollars.
amazing


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 5:28 pm
LeglizHemp
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damn straight she better give that money to............someone other than herself. lol is she the next palin/bachman/angle as far as tv goes? maybe she'll use it to run for office.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 5:35 pm
alloak41
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The pizza restaurant has raised almost 320,000 dollars.
amazing

Freedom sells, and it sells big.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 5:36 pm
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More power to 'em for raising that money. Democracy at work.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 6:21 pm
BoytonBrother
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I wouldn't say it sells "big". After taxes, that's 2 years salary probably.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 6:30 pm
BillyBlastoff
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Freedom sells, and it sells big.

That's freedom? Discrimination? Homophobia? Hatred?

That's your idea of freedom?

I find your exaltation repulsive.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 6:59 pm
alloak41
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I wouldn't say it sells "big". After taxes, that's 2 years salary probably.

They raised as much in one day as a years worth of sales.


 
Posted : April 2, 2015 7:02 pm
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