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Not according to Politico. It's almost hard to cite poll data 20 months out with a straight face, but I'll play.

Like I said, I'd rather wait a while before assigning much significance to poll data. Like, say 16-17 months?

You're the one who threw out the poll data in an attempt to prove Hillary's campaign is taking on water. Now you decide to backpedal?


 
Posted : April 3, 2015 1:17 pm
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Not according to Politico. It's almost hard to cite poll data 20 months out with a straight face, but I'll play.

Like I said, I'd rather wait a while before assigning much significance to poll data. Like, say 16-17 months?

You're the one who threw out the poll data in an attempt to prove Hillary's campaign is taking on water. Now you decide to backpedal?

That I did, but not without a disclaimer.

[Edited on 4/3/2015 by alloak41]


 
Posted : April 3, 2015 1:35 pm
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Let me help you understand. The things that you and others accuse Hillary of doing have no basis in fact or were not illegal. In other words, your personal smear campaign has failed. Now do you understand?

Personal smear campaign? On a band website. REALLY... Please taking yourself so seriously, I doubt anyone else is.

If you are going to parse every post I make, at least try to get the context it was intended in. Your constant need to attack people here just reveals you to be nothing more than an uneducated troll. Grin

If you think I'm having trouble keeping up with you... think again. Grin

"parse"

What a dork. 😛

Good response, Percy. But the word "dork" is someone dated. But, as you are an internet troll, I guess you don't get out much as you feel the need to spend your time following people around on the internet. So, keep up the good work. I enjoy your lame attempts at being disruptive. Grin

People? Just you. Wondering why you constantly attack people you'll never agree with. It's like an odd obsession. I would be willing to bet you've been doing it for years. Maybe even on this same website. You seem like you have a score to settle. All these years and still no satisfaction. I bet you'll feel like you won eventually. Until then, alloak and muleman continue to make oblivious you look silly. The other lefties make some good points. Never you. Cheers. 😛

OK, Pervy, by your own admission you are following me around. And you say I have an odd obsession. 😛 You lack self awareness. but most trolls do, so it is not surprising. That's funny. And so, Pervy, I can only say one thing to you. Dismissed! Grin


 
Posted : April 3, 2015 1:48 pm
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Vito Corleone backs Hillary for President

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/robert-de-niro-backing-hillary-clinton-runs-2016-article-1.2172947


 
Posted : April 4, 2015 6:58 am
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And the hits just keep on coming:

The Secret Lives of Hillary and Bill in the White House

Broken lamps, shouting matches, sneaking away to the pool—and other scenes from the Clinton residence during the Lewinsky scandal.

By KATE ANDERSEN BROWER
April 07, 2015

White House Florist Ronn Payne remembers one day in 1998, after President Clinton had publicly admitted to his affair with a former White House intern, when he was coming up the service elevator with a cart to pick up old floral arrangements and saw two butlers gathered outside the West Sitting Hall listening in as the Clintons argued viciously with each other. The butlers motioned him over and put their fingers to their lips, telling him to be quiet. All of a sudden he heard the first lady bellow “goddamn bastard!” at the president—and then he heard someone throw a heavy object across the room. The rumor among the staff was that she threw a lamp. The butlers, Payne said, were told to clean up the mess. In an interview with Barbara Walters, Mrs. Clinton made light of the story, which had made its way into the gossip columns. “I have a pretty good arm,” she said. “If I’d thrown a lamp at somebody, I think you would have known about it.”

Payne wasn’t surprised at the outburst. “You heard so much foul language” in the Clinton White House, he said. “When you’re somebody’s domestic, you know what’s going on.”
As a White House reporter for Bloomberg News, I traveled around the world on Air Force One and on Air Force Two—filing reports from Mongolia, Japan, Poland, France, Portugal, China and Colombia—but the most fascinating story turned out to be right in front of me every day: the men and women who take care of the first family, who share a fierce loyalty to the institution of the American presidency.

In the more than 100 interviews with current and former White House staffers, senior advisers, and former first ladies and their children I conducted for my new book, The Residence, I had an unprecedented look at what it’s like for those who devote their lives to caring for the first family.

It wasn’t always easy to get them to open up to me; most recent and current residence workers follow a long-established code of ethics that values discretion and the protection of the first family’s privacy above all else. But after lunches and coffees, and hours spent on living room couches, these staffers eventually did share with me many of their personal memories, from small acts of kindness to episodes of anger and despair, from personal quirks and foibles to intense rivalries and unlikely friendships—painting an extraordinary portrait of what it’s like to work in the most famous, and best protected house in the United States.
***

In November 1995, Clinton began an affair with Monica Lewinsky, a 22-year-old White House intern. He had almost a dozen sexual encounters with her over the next year and a half, most of them in the Oval Office. Though the public did not learn about Monica Lewinsky until January 1998, some residence workers knew about the affair when it was still occurring. The butlers saw the president and Lewinsky in the family movie theater, and the two of them were seen together so frequently that the workers started letting one another know when they’d had a Lewinsky sighting. The butlers, who are closest to the family, zealously guard such secrets, but from time to time they share fragments of stories with their colleagues—because the information could be useful, or sometimes just to prove their access.
Bill and Hillary Clinton in the East Room of the White House in 1996. Behind the scenes, things weren't always so rosy.

One household staffer, who asked not to be named, remembers standing in the main hallway behind the kitchen that was used by East Wing and West Wing aides. “That’s her—that’s the girlfriend,” a butler whispered, nudging her as Lewinsky walked by. “Yep, she’s the one. She was in the theater the other night.”

Hillary certainly knew, too. Nearly two decades later, many residence workers are still wary of discussing the fights they witnessed between the Clintons. But they all felt the general gloom that hung over the second and third floors as the Lewinsky saga dragged on throughout 1998.

The residence staff witnessed the fallout from the affair and the toll it took on Hillary Clinton, but West Wing aides had long suspected the kind of drama that was playing out on the second floor of the executive mansion. “She would have hit him with a frying pan if one had been handed to her,” said the first lady’s close friend and political adviser Susan Thomases in an interview with the Miller Center at the University of Virginia for their collection of oral histories documenting Bill Clinton’s presidency. “I don’t think she ever in her mind imagined leaving him or divorcing him.” (Hillary Clinton’s spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment on this article.)

Betty Finney, now 78, started as a White House maid in 1993. She spent most of her time in the family’s private quarters and remembers well how things changed in those final years. “Things were definitely more tense. You just felt bad for the entire family and what they were going through,” she says. “You could feel the sadness. There wasn’t as much laughter.”
Florist Bob Scanlan was less guarded about the atmosphere: “It was like a morgue when you’d go up to the second floor. Mrs. Clinton was nowhere to be found.”

During the height of the drama, Hillary routinely missed afternoon appointments. The details of running the executive mansion, understandably, took a backseat to saving her husband’s presidency and their marriage. For three or four months in 1998, the president slept on a sofa in a private study attached to their bedroom on the second floor. Most of the women on the residence staff thought he got what he deserved.

Even Butler James Ramsey, a self-proclaimed ladies’ man, blushed when the subject came up. He said Clinton was his “buddy, but … come on now.” As usual, during the Lewinsky scandal Ramsey said he kept his “mouth shut.”

Some on the staff have said that Hillary knew about Lewinsky long before it came out, and that what really upset her was not the affair itself but its discovery and the media feeding frenzy that followed.

Kate Andersen Brower spent four years covering the Obama White House for Bloomberg News and is a former CBS News staffer and Fox News producer. This article has been adapted from her book, The Residence: Inside the Private World of the White House (Harper Collins), which is out April 7, 2015.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/clinton-white-house-the-residence-excerpt-116706.html#ixzz3Wl58FWBm


 
Posted : April 8, 2015 2:17 pm
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Liberals and progressives, Where's all the excitement, Hillarys running!!!!


Clinton announces 2016 White House bid, asks to be 'champion' of America's middle class

Published April 13, 2015

| FoxNews.com

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sunday officially announced her 2016 presidential campaign, ending months of speculation over her political plans and immediately elevating her as a target for the field of Republican contenders.

Clinton made the announcement in a YouTube video in which she says: “Everybody needs a champion. And I want to be that champion.”

The roughly two-minute video begins by showing a cross-section of Americans working to get ahead before Clinton says: “I’m doing something, too. I’m running for president.”

The 2016 White House winner will assuredly need to appeal to middle-class Americans and win their votes. And Clinton wasted little time making her pitch. “Americans have fought back from tough economic times,” she says in the video. “But the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top.”

Clinton later released a similar, more condensed message on Twitter.

The former first lady is seeking the presidency for a second time, after losing the party nomination to then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008.

The 67-year-old Clinton has been the clear Democratic front-runner since speculation started last year about her potential candidacy, and her announcement makes her the only Democrat so far to officially start a 2016 White House campaign. A victory next year would make Clinton the United States’ first female president.

Clinton in 2000 won a U.S. Senate seat in New York, and in 2009 was appointed secretary of state, serving four years.

On Saturday, the group We Are Hillary for America circulated a memo to supporters that organizers called "guiding principles." But the memo also provided some insight into to the underpinnings of a Clinton campaign. "Give every family, every small business and every American a path to lasting prosperity by electing Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States,” the memo in part stated.

Clinton now heads this week to key, early-voting states, starting with Iowa on Tuesday, then onto New Hampshire.

She has signaled that she intends to make a major push in the Iowa caucuses, won by Obama in 2008. Her team has hired a former top aide to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to lead her Iowa campaign.

Her ties to New Hampshire are much stronger. State Democrats remember Bill Clinton's surprising second-place finish in the 1992 primary that helped him overcome charges of draft dodging and womanizing. Hillary Clinton surprised Obama by winning the 2008 New Hampshire primary.

Clinton has faced sharp criticism in recent weeks, after news reports that as secretary of state she used a private server and emails for official business, then made available only about half of the roughly 60,000 messages, permanently deleting those she considered personal.

Still, a Fox News poll released March 26 shows Clinton with support from 49 percent of early voters, numbers similar to those in other polls for roughly the past five months.

The response to Clinton’s announcement was quick and widespread with Democratic and Republican lawmakers, candidates and political groups eager to get in on the biggest news so far in the early 2016 election cycle.

“Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state resulted in an America that is less safe and trusted abroad,” said Our American Revival, a political action committee for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a potential 2016 GOP presidential candidate. “We must stand together and speak out against Hillary Clinton’s dangerous liberal record.”

Carly Fiorina, another potential 2016 GOP candidate and a former Hewlett-Packard chief executive, release her own video.

“Hillary Clinton’s a highly intelligent woman, hard-working, she’s dedicated her life to public service,” Fiorina says the video that she posted on Facebook. “But unfortunately, she does not have a track record of accomplishment or transparency. … She’s not the woman for the White House.”

Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul, who last week officially announced his 2016 bid, became the first candidate to release an attack ad on another official candidate with a video that in part says: “Hillary Clinton represents the worst of the Washington machine.”

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, a Clinton supporter who is seriously considering a bid for the Democratic nomination, said through a spokeswoman that he will make his decision “regardless of what other people decide.”

“He’s heard from Democrats that they are looking for someone who offers strong progressive values, new leadership and the experience of getting real results,” spokeswoman Lis Smith said. “The Democratic Party will benefit from a robust issues debate … should Governor O'Malley decide to enter the race.”

Democratic National Committee Chairman and Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz welcomed Clinton as the first official candidate seeking the party's 2016 presidential nomination. But she also suggested Clinton would have to work for the mantle.

“We expect a competitive primary for the Democratic nomination,” Wasserman Schultz said. “I look forward to the contributions that Secretary Clinton and all of our eventual candidates will bring to this debate.”

As first lady to President Bill Clinton during the 1990s, she was a driving figure in a failed health care overhaul and lived through multiple ethics investigations and her husband's impeachment.

Clinton graduated from Wellesley College and Yale Law School.

In Arkansas, she was a lawyer at a top firm while Bill Clinton was governor. She advised her husband after he won the White House in 1992. In the Senate, she struck a bipartisan tone at times. Her Senate vote for the 2002 Iraq invasion became a point of contention in 2008; Obama had spoken out against the "dumb war." At the State Department, she was a hawkish member of Obama's national security team. She helped set the foundation for nuclear talks with Iran.

Clinton is the daughter of a small-business owner and homemaker, and grew up in suburban Chicago. As a college senior, Clinton delivered a 1969 commencement speech that earned national attention. The Clintons met at Yale. After working as a child advocate, Clinton followed her future husband back to Arkansas, where he launched his political career. The couple's 35-year-old daughter, Chelsea Clinton, gave birth to her first child, Charlotte, in September.

A 1995 address in Beijing and her final campaign event in 2008 are signature moments. As first lady, Clinton declared in a speech at a U.N. conference on women that "human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights."

The speech challenged human rights abuses of women and helped set the tone for Clinton's work years later in the State Department.

Her critics remember her for blaming her husband's scandals on a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Clinton wrote "Hard Choices," about her time as secretary of state, and promoted the book around the country in 2014. The book generated mediocre sales and Clinton stumbled at times during the book tour, saying in one interview that she and her husband were "dead broke" when they left the White House.

While they faced large legal bills from the Whitewater investigation, the couple made millions after Bill Clinton's presidency; the comments were considered tone-deaf. Clinton already was a publishing powerhouse at that point.

During her husband's presidency, she released "It Takes a Village" in 1996, a book that discussed her work in child advocacy and steps to help children become productive adults.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


 
Posted : April 13, 2015 10:28 am
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Liberals and progressives, Where's all the excitement, Hillarys running!!!!


Clinton announces 2016 White House bid, asks to be 'champion' of America's middle class

Published April 13, 2015

| FoxNews.com

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sunday officially announced her 2016 presidential campaign, ending months of speculation over her political plans and immediately elevating her as a target for the field of Republican contenders.

Clinton made the announcement in a YouTube video in which she says: “Everybody needs a champion. And I want to be that champion.”

The roughly two-minute video begins by showing a cross-section of Americans working to get ahead before Clinton says: “I’m doing something, too. I’m running for president.”

The 2016 White House winner will assuredly need to appeal to middle-class Americans and win their votes. And Clinton wasted little time making her pitch. “Americans have fought back from tough economic times,” she says in the video. “But the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top.”

Clinton later released a similar, more condensed message on Twitter.

The former first lady is seeking the presidency for a second time, after losing the party nomination to then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008.

The 67-year-old Clinton has been the clear Democratic front-runner since speculation started last year about her potential candidacy, and her announcement makes her the only Democrat so far to officially start a 2016 White House campaign. A victory next year would make Clinton the United States’ first female president.

Clinton in 2000 won a U.S. Senate seat in New York, and in 2009 was appointed secretary of state, serving four years.

On Saturday, the group We Are Hillary for America circulated a memo to supporters that organizers called "guiding principles." But the memo also provided some insight into to the underpinnings of a Clinton campaign. "Give every family, every small business and every American a path to lasting prosperity by electing Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States,” the memo in part stated.

Clinton now heads this week to key, early-voting states, starting with Iowa on Tuesday, then onto New Hampshire.

She has signaled that she intends to make a major push in the Iowa caucuses, won by Obama in 2008. Her team has hired a former top aide to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to lead her Iowa campaign.

Her ties to New Hampshire are much stronger. State Democrats remember Bill Clinton's surprising second-place finish in the 1992 primary that helped him overcome charges of draft dodging and womanizing. Hillary Clinton surprised Obama by winning the 2008 New Hampshire primary.

Clinton has faced sharp criticism in recent weeks, after news reports that as secretary of state she used a private server and emails for official business, then made available only about half of the roughly 60,000 messages, permanently deleting those she considered personal.

Still, a Fox News poll released March 26 shows Clinton with support from 49 percent of early voters, numbers similar to those in other polls for roughly the past five months.

The response to Clinton’s announcement was quick and widespread with Democratic and Republican lawmakers, candidates and political groups eager to get in on the biggest news so far in the early 2016 election cycle.

“Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state resulted in an America that is less safe and trusted abroad,” said Our American Revival, a political action committee for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a potential 2016 GOP presidential candidate. “We must stand together and speak out against Hillary Clinton’s dangerous liberal record.”

Carly Fiorina, another potential 2016 GOP candidate and a former Hewlett-Packard chief executive, release her own video.

“Hillary Clinton’s a highly intelligent woman, hard-working, she’s dedicated her life to public service,” Fiorina says the video that she posted on Facebook. “But unfortunately, she does not have a track record of accomplishment or transparency. … She’s not the woman for the White House.”

Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul, who last week officially announced his 2016 bid, became the first candidate to release an attack ad on another official candidate with a video that in part says: “Hillary Clinton represents the worst of the Washington machine.”

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, a Clinton supporter who is seriously considering a bid for the Democratic nomination, said through a spokeswoman that he will make his decision “regardless of what other people decide.”

“He’s heard from Democrats that they are looking for someone who offers strong progressive values, new leadership and the experience of getting real results,” spokeswoman Lis Smith said. “The Democratic Party will benefit from a robust issues debate … should Governor O'Malley decide to enter the race.”

Democratic National Committee Chairman and Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz welcomed Clinton as the first official candidate seeking the party's 2016 presidential nomination. But she also suggested Clinton would have to work for the mantle.

“We expect a competitive primary for the Democratic nomination,” Wasserman Schultz said. “I look forward to the contributions that Secretary Clinton and all of our eventual candidates will bring to this debate.”

As first lady to President Bill Clinton during the 1990s, she was a driving figure in a failed health care overhaul and lived through multiple ethics investigations and her husband's impeachment.

Clinton graduated from Wellesley College and Yale Law School.

In Arkansas, she was a lawyer at a top firm while Bill Clinton was governor. She advised her husband after he won the White House in 1992. In the Senate, she struck a bipartisan tone at times. Her Senate vote for the 2002 Iraq invasion became a point of contention in 2008; Obama had spoken out against the "dumb war." At the State Department, she was a hawkish member of Obama's national security team. She helped set the foundation for nuclear talks with Iran.

Clinton is the daughter of a small-business owner and homemaker, and grew up in suburban Chicago. As a college senior, Clinton delivered a 1969 commencement speech that earned national attention. The Clintons met at Yale. After working as a child advocate, Clinton followed her future husband back to Arkansas, where he launched his political career. The couple's 35-year-old daughter, Chelsea Clinton, gave birth to her first child, Charlotte, in September.

A 1995 address in Beijing and her final campaign event in 2008 are signature moments. As first lady, Clinton declared in a speech at a U.N. conference on women that "human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights."

The speech challenged human rights abuses of women and helped set the tone for Clinton's work years later in the State Department.

Her critics remember her for blaming her husband's scandals on a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Clinton wrote "Hard Choices," about her time as secretary of state, and promoted the book around the country in 2014. The book generated mediocre sales and Clinton stumbled at times during the book tour, saying in one interview that she and her husband were "dead broke" when they left the White House.

While they faced large legal bills from the Whitewater investigation, the couple made millions after Bill Clinton's presidency; the comments were considered tone-deaf. Clinton already was a publishing powerhouse at that point.

During her husband's presidency, she released "It Takes a Village" in 1996, a book that discussed her work in child advocacy and steps to help children become productive adults.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Not exactly a surprise is it? All you conservatives should be excited as it means the term of the antichrist Obama is counting down.

Looking forward to the insults you all throw out about Hilliary. Grin


 
Posted : April 13, 2015 11:33 am
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No insults from me on this, but thought there may be some interesting observations about the roll-out and initial strategy.

How long do you think she can go without getting a question from the media? Even Rand Paul, Trump and Lincoln Chaffee have allowed media access for some questions.


 
Posted : April 13, 2015 12:23 pm
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Even the Huffington Post is writing some negatives on her roll-out.. i agree alot of what this author states, but of course he is still "All In" with Hillary. It's what one would expect an ultra left liberal to do.

Hillary Clinton's Bad Beginning

Posted: 04/13/2015 7:59 am EDT Updated: 04/13/2015 8:59 am EDT

Hillary Clinton's campaign announcement is an insult to the presidency. It represents a total capitulation to the political consulting business -- two-and-a-half minutes of marketing images, without anything resembling serious argument.

Madison Avenue has replaced Madison at the center of the Republic. Clinton's 30 second appearance in her grade-B advertisement is a tribute to sound-bite democracy. The triviality of her performance is heightened by apologists who are already reading deep meanings into her two-liner: "The deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion." (See here and here.)

Nothing compelled Clinton to choose this path to emptiness. To the contrary, she has the nomination locked up, giving her the freedom to define her campaign on her own terms. If she found a face-to-face format most congenial, a fifteen minute video would have sufficed to set out her core political commitments.

She has chosen instead to leave all of us in the dark. This will make it easier for her to fine-tune her message to exploit the particular weaknesses of the Republican who wins the primaries. But it is all too likely that she will leave her supporters guessing about the seriousness of her progressive commitments, whatever they may turn out to be.

At the end of the day, this evasive strategy won't prevent me from casting my ballot for Hillary on Election Day -- since a third Clinton term will save us from a fourth Bush term, or something even worse.

Nevertheless, even if she makes it to the White House, her Madison Avenue campaign is a grim augury for the future. If Clinton has so utterly failed to stand up for anything at a moment of such great political strength, is there any reason to expect her presidency to serve as a platform for an ambitious campaign for progressive values?

Or will 2020 be a year of deepening liberal alienation -- in which Hillary Clinton's performance as America's first woman president serves to emphasize the shattered hopes inspired by Barack Obama's "Yes We Can?"

Bruce Ackerman, a professor of law and political science at Yale, is currently the Daimler Fellow at the American Academy in Berlin.


 
Posted : April 14, 2015 7:59 am
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[Edited on 4/14/2015 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : April 14, 2015 9:42 am
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Robert Reich: Hillary’s values aren’t the problem

The former secretary of labor examines how she can win the election -- and win over the American people

by Robert Reich, ROBERTREICH.org

It’s a paradox.

Almost all the economic gains are still going to the top, leaving America’s vast middle class with stagnant wages and little or no job security. Two-thirds of Americans are working paycheck to paycheck.

Meanwhile, big money is taking over our democracy.

If there were ever a time for a bold Democratic voice on behalf of hardworking Americans, it is now.

Yet I don’t recall a time when the Democratic Party’s most prominent office holders sounded as meek. With the exception of Elizabeth Warren, they’re pussycats. If Paul Wellstone, Teddy Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, or Ann Richards were still with us, they’d be hollering.

The fire now is on the right, stoked by the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and a pocketful of hedge-fund billionaires.

Today’s Republican firebrands, beginning with Ted Cruz, blame the poor, blacks, Latinos, and immigrants for what’s been happening. They avoid any mention of wealth and power.

Which brings me to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In declaring her candidacy for President she said “The deck is stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion and I want to be that champion.”

Exactly the right words, but will she deliver?

Some wonder about the strength of her values and ideals. I don’t. I’ve known her since she was 19 years old, and have no doubt where her heart is. For her entire career she’s been deeply committed to equal opportunity and upward mobility.

Some worry she’s been too compromised by big money – that the circle of wealthy donors she and her husband have cultivated over the years has dulled her sensitivity to the struggling middle class and poor.

But it’s wrong to assume great wealth, or even a social circle of the wealthy, is incompatible with a deep commitment to reform – as Teddy Roosevelt and his fifth-cousin Franklin clearly demonstrated.

The more relevant concern is her willingness to fight.

After a devastating first midterm election, her husband famously “triangulated” between Democrats and Republicans, seeking to find a middle position above the fray.

But if Hillary Clinton is to get the mandate she needs for America to get back on track, she will have to be clear with the American people about what is happening and why – and what must be done.

For example, she will need to admit that Wall Street is still running the economy, and still out of control.

So we must resurrect the Glass-Steagall Act and bust up the biggest banks, so millions of Americans don’t ever again lose their homes, jobs, and savings because of Wall Street’s excesses.

Also: Increase taxes on the rich in order to finance the investments in schools and infrastructure the nation desperately needs.

Strengthen unions so working Americans have the bargaining power to get a fair share of the gains from economic growth.

Limit the deductibility of executive pay, and raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

Oppose trade agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership designed to protect corporate property but not American jobs.

And nominate Supreme Court justices who will reverse “Citizens United.”

I’m not suggesting a long list. Democratic candidates too often offer mind-numbing policy proposals without explaining why they’re important.

She should use such policies to illustrate the problem, and make a vivid moral case for why such policies are necessary.

In recent decades Republicans have made a moral case for less government and lower taxes on the rich, based on their idea of “freedom.”

They talk endlessly about freedom but they never talk about power. But it’s power that’s askew in America –concentrated power that’s constraining the freedom of the vast majority.

Hillary Clinton should make the moral case about power: for taking it out of the hands of those with great wealth and putting it back into the hands of average working people.

In these times, such a voice and message make sense politically. The 2016 election will be decided by turnout, and turnout will depend on enthusiasm.

If she talks about what’s really going on and what must be done about it, she can arouse the Democratic base as well as millions of Independents and even Republicans who have concluded, with reason, that the game is rigged against them.

The question is not her values and ideals. It’s her willingness to be bold and to fight, at a time when average working people need a president who will fight for them more than they’ve needed such a president in living memory.

This is a defining moment for Democrats, and for America. It is also a defining moment for Hillary Clinton.

Robert Reich, one of the nation’s leading experts on work and the economy, is Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. Time Magazine has named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/14/robert_reich_hillarys_values_arent_the_problem_partner/


 
Posted : April 14, 2015 10:56 am
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Robert Reich: Hillary’s values aren’t the problem

The former secretary of labor examines how she can win the election -- and win over the American people

by Robert Reich, ROBERTREICH.org

It’s a paradox.

Almost all the economic gains are still going to the top, leaving America’s vast middle class with stagnant wages and little or no job security. Two-thirds of Americans are working paycheck to paycheck.

Meanwhile, big money is taking over our democracy.

If there were ever a time for a bold Democratic voice on behalf of hardworking Americans, it is now.

Yet I don’t recall a time when the Democratic Party’s most prominent office holders sounded as meek. With the exception of Elizabeth Warren, they’re pussycats. If Paul Wellstone, Teddy Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, or Ann Richards were still with us, they’d be hollering.

The fire now is on the right, stoked by the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and a pocketful of hedge-fund billionaires.

Today’s Republican firebrands, beginning with Ted Cruz, blame the poor, blacks, Latinos, and immigrants for what’s been happening. They avoid any mention of wealth and power.

Which brings me to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In declaring her candidacy for President she said “The deck is stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion and I want to be that champion.”

Exactly the right words, but will she deliver?

Some wonder about the strength of her values and ideals. I don’t. I’ve known her since she was 19 years old, and have no doubt where her heart is. For her entire career she’s been deeply committed to equal opportunity and upward mobility.

Some worry she’s been too compromised by big money – that the circle of wealthy donors she and her husband have cultivated over the years has dulled her sensitivity to the struggling middle class and poor.

But it’s wrong to assume great wealth, or even a social circle of the wealthy, is incompatible with a deep commitment to reform – as Teddy Roosevelt and his fifth-cousin Franklin clearly demonstrated.

The more relevant concern is her willingness to fight.

After a devastating first midterm election, her husband famously “triangulated” between Democrats and Republicans, seeking to find a middle position above the fray.

But if Hillary Clinton is to get the mandate she needs for America to get back on track, she will have to be clear with the American people about what is happening and why – and what must be done.

For example, she will need to admit that Wall Street is still running the economy, and still out of control.

So we must resurrect the Glass-Steagall Act and bust up the biggest banks, so millions of Americans don’t ever again lose their homes, jobs, and savings because of Wall Street’s excesses.

Also: Increase taxes on the rich in order to finance the investments in schools and infrastructure the nation desperately needs.

Strengthen unions so working Americans have the bargaining power to get a fair share of the gains from economic growth.

Limit the deductibility of executive pay, and raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

Oppose trade agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership designed to protect corporate property but not American jobs.

And nominate Supreme Court justices who will reverse “Citizens United.”

I’m not suggesting a long list. Democratic candidates too often offer mind-numbing policy proposals without explaining why they’re important.

She should use such policies to illustrate the problem, and make a vivid moral case for why such policies are necessary.

In recent decades Republicans have made a moral case for less government and lower taxes on the rich, based on their idea of “freedom.”

They talk endlessly about freedom but they never talk about power. But it’s power that’s askew in America –concentrated power that’s constraining the freedom of the vast majority.

Hillary Clinton should make the moral case about power: for taking it out of the hands of those with great wealth and putting it back into the hands of average working people.

In these times, such a voice and message make sense politically. The 2016 election will be decided by turnout, and turnout will depend on enthusiasm.

If she talks about what’s really going on and what must be done about it, she can arouse the Democratic base as well as millions of Independents and even Republicans who have concluded, with reason, that the game is rigged against them.

The question is not her values and ideals. It’s her willingness to be bold and to fight, at a time when average working people need a president who will fight for them more than they’ve needed such a president in living memory.

This is a defining moment for Democrats, and for America. It is also a defining moment for Hillary Clinton.

Robert Reich, one of the nation’s leading experts on work and the economy, is Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. Time Magazine has named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/14/robert_reich_hillarys_values_arent_the_problem_partner//blockquote >
________________________________________________________________________

Now that’s funny.

Robert Reich, a Clinton administration lackey, blames conservatives, the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and a pocketful of hedge-fund billionaires.

He doesn’t mention the fact that Hillary is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street, Hollywood and the French Socialist Billionaire George Soros funds the left’s PACs.

“Today’s Republican firebrands, beginning with Ted Cruz, blame the poor, blacks, Latinos, and immigrants for what’s been happening”

A total lie.
Ted Cruz has never blamed the poor, blacks, Latinos, or immigrants.

Why is it that liberals have to lie in their pursuit of winning?

Try as the left may, Hillary’s scandals, cover-ups and lies are completely self inflicted.

Speaking of the left, why is it the Democrats and no one to run for President other than another no resume, no professional experience Hillary?


 
Posted : April 14, 2015 11:45 am
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Robert Reich: Hillary’s values aren’t the problem

The former secretary of labor examines how she can win the election -- and win over the American people

by Robert Reich, ROBERTREICH.org

It’s a paradox.

Almost all the economic gains are still going to the top, leaving America’s vast middle class with stagnant wages and little or no job security. Two-thirds of Americans are working paycheck to paycheck.

Meanwhile, big money is taking over our democracy.

If there were ever a time for a bold Democratic voice on behalf of hardworking Americans, it is now.

Yet I don’t recall a time when the Democratic Party’s most prominent office holders sounded as meek. With the exception of Elizabeth Warren, they’re pussycats. If Paul Wellstone, Teddy Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, or Ann Richards were still with us, they’d be hollering.

The fire now is on the right, stoked by the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and a pocketful of hedge-fund billionaires.

Today’s Republican firebrands, beginning with Ted Cruz, blame the poor, blacks, Latinos, and immigrants for what’s been happening. They avoid any mention of wealth and power.

Which brings me to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In declaring her candidacy for President she said “The deck is stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion and I want to be that champion.”

Exactly the right words, but will she deliver?

Some wonder about the strength of her values and ideals. I don’t. I’ve known her since she was 19 years old, and have no doubt where her heart is. For her entire career she’s been deeply committed to equal opportunity and upward mobility.

Some worry she’s been too compromised by big money – that the circle of wealthy donors she and her husband have cultivated over the years has dulled her sensitivity to the struggling middle class and poor.

But it’s wrong to assume great wealth, or even a social circle of the wealthy, is incompatible with a deep commitment to reform – as Teddy Roosevelt and his fifth-cousin Franklin clearly demonstrated.

The more relevant concern is her willingness to fight.

After a devastating first midterm election, her husband famously “triangulated” between Democrats and Republicans, seeking to find a middle position above the fray.

But if Hillary Clinton is to get the mandate she needs for America to get back on track, she will have to be clear with the American people about what is happening and why – and what must be done.

For example, she will need to admit that Wall Street is still running the economy, and still out of control.

So we must resurrect the Glass-Steagall Act and bust up the biggest banks, so millions of Americans don’t ever again lose their homes, jobs, and savings because of Wall Street’s excesses.

Also: Increase taxes on the rich in order to finance the investments in schools and infrastructure the nation desperately needs.

Strengthen unions so working Americans have the bargaining power to get a fair share of the gains from economic growth.

Limit the deductibility of executive pay, and raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

Oppose trade agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership designed to protect corporate property but not American jobs.

And nominate Supreme Court justices who will reverse “Citizens United.”

I’m not suggesting a long list. Democratic candidates too often offer mind-numbing policy proposals without explaining why they’re important.

She should use such policies to illustrate the problem, and make a vivid moral case for why such policies are necessary.

In recent decades Republicans have made a moral case for less government and lower taxes on the rich, based on their idea of “freedom.”

They talk endlessly about freedom but they never talk about power. But it’s power that’s askew in America –concentrated power that’s constraining the freedom of the vast majority.

Hillary Clinton should make the moral case about power: for taking it out of the hands of those with great wealth and putting it back into the hands of average working people.

In these times, such a voice and message make sense politically. The 2016 election will be decided by turnout, and turnout will depend on enthusiasm.

If she talks about what’s really going on and what must be done about it, she can arouse the Democratic base as well as millions of Independents and even Republicans who have concluded, with reason, that the game is rigged against them.

The question is not her values and ideals. It’s her willingness to be bold and to fight, at a time when average working people need a president who will fight for them more than they’ve needed such a president in living memory.

This is a defining moment for Democrats, and for America. It is also a defining moment for Hillary Clinton.

Robert Reich, one of the nation’s leading experts on work and the economy, is Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. Time Magazine has named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/14/robert_reich_hillarys_values_arent_the_problem_partner//blockquote >
________________________________________________________________________

Now that’s funny.

Robert Reich, a Clinton administration lackey, blames conservatives, the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and a pocketful of hedge-fund billionaires.

He doesn’t mention the fact that Hillary is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street, Hollywood and the French Socialist Billionaire George Soros funds the left’s PACs.

“Today’s Republican firebrands, beginning with Ted Cruz, blame the poor, blacks, Latinos, and immigrants for what’s been happening”

A total lie.
Ted Cruz has never blamed the poor, blacks, Latinos, or immigrants.

Why is it that liberals have to lie in their pursuit of winning?

Try as the left may, Hillary’s scandals, cover-ups and lies are completely self inflicted.

Speaking of the left, why is it the Democrats and no one to run for President other than another no resume, no professional experience Hillary?

Clinton is going to raise and spend 2.5 BILLION dollars in this campaign while railing against money in politics. It would be humorous if it weren't so pathetic.


 
Posted : April 15, 2015 8:06 am
gondicar
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Clinton is going to raise and spend 2.5 BILLION dollars in this campaign while railing against money in politics. It would be humorous if it weren't so pathetic.

“We need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment,” Clinton said at the first event of her 2016 presidential run, speaking to students and teachers at Kirkwood Community College in Monticello, Iowa.

I don't think there is anything pathetic about the above statement. What would be pathetic (and hardly a surprise) would be if she wins, even if it takes dark money because that's how the system works now, and then does nothing to address the issue.

Where does your $2.5 billion figure come from?


 
Posted : April 15, 2015 8:18 am
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 9:43 am
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Shouldn't we be glad she sees the problem and is addressing it? Sounds like a decent start if she acknowledges it.


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 10:13 am
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So what is she supposed to do not accept the money that could help her win the election because she has acknowledged the system is broken? I don't understand some peoples thinking here sometimes.


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 11:03 am
gondicar
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 11:25 am
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How many Republicans are running for office now?

Are any of them running on other issue other than "I'm not Hillary"?

It seems to me the only substance these Republicans are bringing to the game is the big stinking load of $hit in their underpants.


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 11:33 am
alloak41
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.


 
Posted : April 22, 2015 8:46 pm
gondicar
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 1:58 am
alloak41
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 5:14 am
gondicar
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.

Not at all? I'm afraid your actions belie your words.


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 5:43 am
alloak41
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.

Not at all? I'm afraid your actions belie your words.

That's right. Nobody has anything on Hillary. She's pure as the driven snow. Clean as a whistle!


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 6:05 am
gondicar
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.

Not at all? I'm afraid your actions belie your words.

That's right. Nobody has anything on Hillary. She's pure as the driven snow. Clean as a whistle!

Wow, thanks for helping me make my point!

How many of these do you have? Or maybe you just got it tattooed on your forehead?

[Edited on 4/23/2015 by gondicar]


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 6:17 am
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.

And yet she is leading in all the recent polls. Enjoy the 8 years of the Clinton's back in the White House. I know I will. Grin


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 6:38 am
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Interesting comments from Ms. Clinton regarding small business in America, and how she has discovered that it has "stalled out."

As as a self-described champion of the everyday American, it's puzzling how she is just now become aware of this. Her recent observation doesn't quite jibe with the WH position.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-hillary-clinton-small-businesses-stalled/story?id=30479071

Sorry but I am confused... do you disagree with her and agree with the White House? Or vice versa?

What does that have to do with the price of wheat? According to Obama, small business activity is vibrant. Apparently she doesn't agree with the White House.

Small business has been flat on it's back. It's amazing she's just now discovering this.

The price of wheat?

What's amazing is that even when you agree with her, you have to find a way to tear her down. You seems pretty desperate to find ways denigrate her. It's kinda fun to watch.

Desperate? Not at all. Eating cake is harder than finding ways to denigrate her. She's a joke.

And yet she is leading in all the recent polls. Enjoy the 8 years of the Clinton's back in the White House. I know I will. Grin

you will? why?


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 6:45 am
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I find this whole Hillary thing incredibly absurd. There are no other Democrats with differing ideas/views from the Anointed One? It's as if the Dems say, "If we don't challenge her, she'll appear unbeatable". (poor Joe Biden...) Has this ever happened before? A lock for the nomination with no challenge from the same side? Who died and left her queen?

I think she's awful and mean and hope she gets annihilated. of course, here in RI, she'll win 80-20.

she's the best the dems can offer? with no challenge? I don't get it. She encompasses all things left? all her ideas are in lockstep with the dems? Seems odd to me...


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 7:02 am
Bill_Graham
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I find this whole Hillary thing incredibly absurd. There are no other Democrats with differing ideas/views from the Anointed One? It's as if the Dems say, "If we don't challenge her, she'll appear unbeatable". (poor Joe Biden...) Has this ever happened before? A lock for the nomination with no challenge from the same side? Who died and left her queen?

I think she's awful and mean and hope she gets annihilated. of course, here in RI, she'll win 80-20.

she's the best the dems can offer? with no challenge? I don't get it. She encompasses all things left? all her ideas are in lockstep with the dems? Seems odd to me...

She is the best either party has to offer at this point and is the most electable candidate in either party.

Personally I favour Elizabeth Warren but she is a little too progressive for America right now and besides she has stated she will not run.

IMHO Hillary is preferable to any GOP candidate and while not perfect she has the infrastructure and Bubba supporting her so I don't see any GOP candidate beating her at this point.


 
Posted : April 23, 2015 8:15 am
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Alloak, you are so transparent. You should be able to see that it's easy to denigrate anyone in this world if you investigate them enough, especially politicians. She's been around forever and now that she's a contender for President, she's a "joke". Anyone with her accomplishments, whether right or left, is far from a joke. You can find dirt anywhere you look - it's your choice to only look for it on the left. A once vibrant message board of interesting debate is now reduced to drivel. There's not much to discuss I guess if she's declared a "joke". How sad.


 
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