The liberals deny the Benghazi attack cover up and scandal.
I’m sure your comment is comforting to the families of the four murdered Americans who accepted posts in a dangerous country, requested increased security and were denied by hillary resulting in their deaths.
Then hillary stood next to their caskets and lied, blaming the whole thing on some obscure internet video.
It's quite amazing how many lies you can fit into such a short post. Is there a conservative school where they teach you how to do that?
The lack of leadership seems to be in the Congress.............
Boehner can't get enough Republicans to pass his bills & resorts to having to rely upon Democrats to pass legislation.
????? huh?
I'm assuming you don't keep up with current events?
I am confused why you think its a problem that they seek Democratic votes or that the Republicans don't automatically vote in lockstep. That is how an American legislature is supposed to work.
Not for me. Bridge-gate still takes the top spot for ridiculous scandals. This one is close. Both sides are scraping.
Bridge gate was not a scandal at least not for Christie as it was proven he was innocent. Whatever the reasons behind it, there is absolutely no question whatsoever that Clinton broke a very important law and one that goes directly to her weak spot, transparency. This is not sex with an intern.
Bill Clinton was impeached. Nixon wasn't.
Reagan was able to pull off Iran Contra. What laws applied to that Nun killing SOB?
Nixon resigned before he could be impeached and he clearly would have been convicted. Which is why he resigned.
The lack of leadership seems to be in the Congress.............
Boehner can't get enough Republicans to pass his bills & resorts to having to rely upon Democrats to pass legislation.
????? huh?
I'm assuming you don't keep up with current events?
I am confused why you think its a problem that they seek Democratic votes or that the Republicans don't automatically vote in lockstep. That is how an American legislature is supposed to work.
Homeland security - So it's standard opearting procedure where the speaker of the house can only muster 75 votes from his own party for a bill to pass while his own party voted overwhelmingly against? The GOP speaker depends upon the opposing party to pass his legislation, and this you consider this a norm? This goes a bit beyond "lockstep". Your depicition of how things are supposed to work is tantamount to alloak's vision of gridlock being a good thing.
Since you post so much vitriol for Obama, I'm guessing you think that the bill should have failed to fund Homeland Security?
The lack of leadership seems to be in the Congress.............
Boehner can't get enough Republicans to pass his bills & resorts to having to rely upon Democrats to pass legislation.
????? huh?
I'm assuming you don't keep up with current events?
I am confused why you think its a problem that they seek Democratic votes or that the Republicans don't automatically vote in lockstep. That is how an American legislature is supposed to work.
When they show solidarity, it's lockstep. When there is diversity in opinion, they're a mess.
Whatever they do, it's going to be wrong. You can bank on that.
Not for me. Bridge-gate still takes the top spot for ridiculous scandals. This one is close. Both sides are scraping.
Bridge gate was not a scandal at least not for Christie as it was proven he was innocent. Whatever the reasons behind it, there is absolutely no question whatsoever that Clinton broke a very important law and one that goes directly to her weak spot, transparency. This is not sex with an intern.
It's starting to look like she may have committed a felony.
Your depicition of how things are supposed to work is tantamount to alloak's vision of gridlock being a good thing.
The system was designed for gridlock. Passing new legislation is not supposed to be easy.
She might have committed a felony. She also might not have committed a felony. The legislation didn't become law until a year after she left the State Department.
I will say this all sounds very nefarious to me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/clinton-ran-own-computer-_n_6797824.html
This is the last paragraph from the above posted link:
President Barack Obama signed a bill last year that bans the use of private email accounts by government officials unless they retain copies of messages in their official account or forward copies to their government accounts within 20 days. The bill did not become law until more than one year after Clinton left the State Department.
The rest of the article is far more damning.
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Not for me. Bridge-gate still takes the top spot for ridiculous scandals. This one is close. Both sides are scraping.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bridge gate was not a scandal at least not for Christie as it was proven he was innocent. Whatever the reasons behind it, there is absolutely no question whatsoever that Clinton broke a very important law and one that goes directly to her weak spot, transparency. This is not sex with an intern.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's starting to look like she may have committed a felony.
Hillary was also proven innocent in the so-called "Benghazi" scandal, so do you give her a pass like you give Christie based on the logic of being proven innocent?
Felony or no-felony, this is a lame story. Christie allegedly caused traffic jams near the bridge as political payback, and Hillary used her gmail account for business.....wow.....stop the presses.
She might have committed a felony. She also might not have committed a felony. The legislation didn't become law until a year after she left the State Department.
I will say this all sounds very nefarious to me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/clinton-ran-own-computer-_n_6797824.html
This is the last paragraph from the above posted link:
President Barack Obama signed a bill last year that bans the use of private email accounts by government officials unless they retain copies of messages in their official account or forward copies to their government accounts within 20 days. The bill did not become law until more than one year after Clinton left the State Department.
The rest of the article is far more damning.
Damning perhaps, but nothing more than accusations, made mostly by political foes. Evidence of rules violations or evidence of violations of any laws has yet to surface. On the other hand, much of what is described could easily be explained as an attempt, perhaps an over zealous one, to fend off would be hackers who would love to break into the account of a sitting Sec of State. Seems to be a political "scandal" at this point.
For what its worth, at least one previous Sec of State used personal email in much the same way as Clinton:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-personal-email-secretary-of-state-115707.html
[Edited on 3/4/2015 by gondicar]
No matter what the issue or the question, the response never varies. As long as it can be shown that it's happened before, it's all good. No big deal. No scandal here, because_________ did it too. Neutralized.
But does that tactic really move us ahead? When do we reach a point as a nation when our leaders stop repeating the same mistakes? Maybe if we stopped enabling bad behavior and insisted on a higher standard of ethics and transparency, we might start getting it.
Just follow the rules!!
[Edited on 3/4/2015 by alloak41]
We will never reach a point when humans stop making mistakes. Even the best of the best will always make mistakes. Those who make the mistakes (Hillary, Christie for example) are not the problem. The problem lies with the leader's opponents who exploit it for political gain, and the media for exaggerating it for profit.
The lack of leadership seems to be in the Congress.............
Boehner can't get enough Republicans to pass his bills & resorts to having to rely upon Democrats to pass legislation.
????? huh?
I'm assuming you don't keep up with current events?
I am confused why you think its a problem that they seek Democratic votes or that the Republicans don't automatically vote in lockstep. That is how an American legislature is supposed to work.
When they show solidarity, it's lockstep. When there is diversity in opinion, they're a mess.
Whatever they do, it's going to be wrong. You can bank on that.
You seem to like playing the martyr card.
No matter what the issue or the question, the response from the left never varies. As long as it can be shown that it's happened before, it's all good. No big deal. No scandal here, because the Republicans did it too. Neutralized.
But does that tactic really move us ahead? When do we reach a point as a nation when Democrats stop repeating the same mistakes? Maybe if liberals stopped enabling bad behavior and insisted on a higher standard of ethics and transparency, we might start getting it.
Just follow the rules!!
Edited for clarity.
We will never reach a point when humans stop making mistakes. Even the best of the best will always make mistakes. Those who make the mistakes (Hillary, Christie for example) are not the problem. The problem lies with the leader's opponents who exploit it for political gain, and the media for exaggerating it for profit.
A mistake is locking your keys in the car. Snap hooking your drive out of bounds is a mistake. Intentionally bending rules or cheating to get some perceived advantage is not a mistake, it's a character problem.
That's where it all starts IMO, and that's where you'll find the root problem with too many politicians, thus the problems in government. What's sorely needed is a massive infusion of higher quality individuals running for office and winning.
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We will never reach a point when humans stop making mistakes. Even the best of the best will always make mistakes. Those who make the mistakes (Hillary, Christie for example) are not the problem. The problem lies with the leader's opponents who exploit it for political gain, and the media for exaggerating it for profit.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------A mistake is locking your keys in the car. Snap hooking your drive out of bounds is a mistake. Intentionally bending rules or cheating to get some perceived advantage is not a mistake, it's a character problem.
That's where it all starts IMO, and that's where you'll find the root problem with too many politicians, thus the problems in government. What's sorely needed is a massive infusion of higher quality individuals running for office and winning.
I disagree. Everyone is guilty of intentional wrong-doing to some degree. And for the guy who sold drugs, shop-lifted, got a DUI, or evaded taxes during a time of trouble, those are mistakes too, and not necessarily character flaws. If you've ever driven after having one too many beers, then is that a character flaw, or a mistake?
If we went back in history, I bet we could dig up a character flaw and create a scandal for every President in US history. Heck, we could do it for any leader (or person for that matter)....political or business.
[Edited on 3/4/2015 by BoytonBrother]
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We will never reach a point when humans stop making mistakes. Even the best of the best will always make mistakes. Those who make the mistakes (Hillary, Christie for example) are not the problem. The problem lies with the leader's opponents who exploit it for political gain, and the media for exaggerating it for profit.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------A mistake is locking your keys in the car. Snap hooking your drive out of bounds is a mistake. Intentionally bending rules or cheating to get some perceived advantage is not a mistake, it's a character problem.
That's where it all starts IMO, and that's where you'll find the root problem with too many politicians, thus the problems in government. What's sorely needed is a massive infusion of higher quality individuals running for office and winning.
I disagree. Everyone is guilty of intentional wrong-doing to some degree. And for the guy who sold drugs, shop-lifted, got a DUI, or evaded taxes during a time of trouble, those are mistakes too, and not necessarily character flaws. If you've ever driven after having one too many beers, then is that a character flaw, or a mistake?
If we went back in history, I bet we could dig up a character flaw and create a scandal for every President in US history. Heck, we could do it for any leader (or person for that matter)....political or business.
[Edited on 3/4/2015 by BoytonBrother]
You're correct, nobody is perfect and we've all done things that we shouldn't have. Hopefully you learn from that, and your conscience and standards you have set for yourself make corrections. That's a sign of good character.
However, when the behavior becomes the established pattern then it's no longer just a "mistake" and moves firmly into character flaw territory IMO.
No matter what the issue or the question, the response never varies. As long as it can be shown that it's happened before, it's all good. No big deal. No scandal here, because_________ did it too. Neutralized.
But does that tactic really move us ahead? When do we reach a point as a nation when our leaders stop repeating the same mistakes? Maybe if we stopped enabling bad behavior and insisted on a higher standard of ethics and transparency, we might start getting it.
Just follow the rules
Both did. That was the point.
No matter what the issue or the question, the response never varies. As long as it can be shown that it's happened before, it's all good. No big deal. No scandal here, because_________ did it too. Neutralized.
But does that tactic really move us ahead? When do we reach a point as a nation when our leaders stop repeating the same mistakes? Maybe if we stopped enabling bad behavior and insisted on a higher standard of ethics and transparency, we might start getting it.
Just follow the rules
Both did. That was the point.
So case closed. According to you.
No matter what the issue or the question, the response never varies. As long as it can be shown that it's happened before, it's all good. No big deal. No scandal here, because_________ did it too. Neutralized.
But does that tactic really move us ahead? When do we reach a point as a nation when our leaders stop repeating the same mistakes? Maybe if we stopped enabling bad behavior and insisted on a higher standard of ethics and transparency, we might start getting it.
Just follow the rules
Both did. That was the point.
So case closed. According to you.
On Clinton or Powell? Either way, I have no idea where you would get that from since I pretty much said the opposite of that in my previous post. On the other hand, where Clinton is concerned I have no doubt that it is case closed in your eyes, guilty before proven innocent based on what I see from you.
[Edited on 3/5/2015 by gondicar]
I hope both parties will nominate candidates with fresh insights, perspectives, and approaches to the issues facing our country economically, politically, and socially. Candidates who are willing to lead us into an era of cooperation to find the best solutions for our country and participate in truly resolving conflict around the world. I think Hillary brings to much of the old, and too much baggage. Would love to see the youth of America really get involved in the political process. That would be fun.
I hope both parties will nominate candidates with fresh insights, perspectives, and approaches to the issues facing our country economically, politically, and socially. Candidates who are willing to lead us into an era of cooperation to find the best solutions for our country and participate in truly resolving conflict around the world. I think Hillary brings to much of the old, and too much baggage.
I'm disappointed to see my Democrat brothers and sisters going all in on Hillary
Clinton, and don't seem the least bit interested in even seeing her challenged.
Like it or not, there's a certain amount of sliminess associated with the Clintons
and that's precisely what we need to get away from.
We can do so much better than Hillary Clinton IMO.
I hope both parties will nominate candidates with fresh insights, perspectives, and approaches to the issues facing our country economically, politically, and socially. Candidates who are willing to lead us into an era of cooperation to find the best solutions for our country and participate in truly resolving conflict around the world. I think Hillary brings to much of the old, and too much baggage. Would love to see the youth of America really get involved in the political process. That would be fun.
Amen to that!
Edit to add:
When I was in high school in Massachusetts, I was selected to attend the American Legion Boys State program. It was one of the most significant and important weeks of my life, and I have been volunteering as a counselor at the program ever since (31 years and counting) to help teach high school juniors about how a democratically elected government works (or at least is intended to work) and leadership in general. Over the course of a week, the kids are divided into small groups that organize themselves into local/municipal governments, and they are also randomly divided into two political parties that will form a state wide government (they also need to develop the platforms for their parties, which are a completely blank slate when they start). Sometimes we even have a group of kids that decided to break off and form a 3rd party, which is really cool when it happens. They then will be given realistic scenarios that they need address and to solve, as well as debating and passing ordinances (at the municipal level) and bill/laws (at the state-wide level). I mentioned all this for two reasons:
1. If you have or know a kid (boy or girl as there is also a Girls State program) who is academically sound and has yet to finish their junior year in high school and they have any interest at all in government and/or leadership in general (even if just at the student council level), I highly encourage you to learn more about this program to see whether it is a fit and if so, encourage them to apply.
2. Every June through this program I get to interact with 400+ of the best and brightest high school juniors in the state of Massachusetts. And every June when I leave the program I feel completely invigorated by their energy and enthusiasm and heartened that there are at least some young people who do care about politics and understand what civic responsibility really means. This same program happens in all 50 states, and 2 boys from each state will also be chosen to attend Boys Nation in Washington, DC in July, which is similar to Boys State except they will form a mock-government at the Federal level rather than State level. It really is amazing to watch it all unfold. Now I know only a small fraction of these kids will ever enter public service, and those that do may lose that youthful exuberance and idealism by that time, but I know for a fact that the cast majority will be better citizens as it relates to voting and civic engagement in general as a result, so it does give me some hope for the future.
Many of our elected officials attended Boys State and Girls State as kids. This includes Bill Clinton, who was elected to represent Arkansas at Boys Nation in 1963 and it was then that this famous photo was taken:
http://www.boysandgirlsstate.org/boys.html
[Edited on 3/5/2015 by gondicar]
I'm disappointed to see my Democrat brothers and sisters going all in on Hillary
Clinton, and don't seem the least bit interested in even seeing her challenged.
Like it or not, there's a certain amount of sliminess associated with the Clintons
and that's precisely what we need to get away from.We can do so much better than Hillary Clinton IMO.
I don't think you're listening. I'm on record, early in this thread stating I will not vote for Hillary.
Of course I'm an anti-war Progressive. A registered Independent. Although in the past I have registered Republican in order to vote in the primary to help weed out the people most likely to impeach my morals with their Christian Family Values.
Isn't the Republican front runner Jeb?
He is getting the same foreign policy his brother used. Only now they are a lot friggin' richer.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/jeb-bush-foreign-policy_n_6795070.html
I hope both parties will nominate candidates with fresh insights, perspectives, and approaches to the issues facing our country economically, politically, and socially. Candidates who are willing to lead us into an era of cooperation to find the best solutions for our country and participate in truly resolving conflict around the world. I think Hillary brings to much of the old, and too much baggage. Would love to see the youth of America really get involved in the political process. That would be fun.
Amen to that!
Edit to add:
When I was in high school in Massachusetts, I was selected to attend the American Legion Boys State program. It was one of the most significant and important weeks of my life, and I have been volunteering as a counselor at the program ever since (31 years and counting) to help teach high school juniors about how a democratically elected government works (or at least is intended to work) and leadership in general. Over the course of a week, the kids are divided into small groups that organize themselves into local/municipal governments, and they are also randomly divided into two political parties that will form a state wide government (they also need to develop the platforms for their parties, which are a completely blank slate when they start). Sometimes we even have a group of kids that decided to break off and form a 3rd party, which is really cool when it happens. They then will be given realistic scenarios that they need address and to solve, as well as debating and passing ordinances (at the municipal level) and bill/laws (at the state-wide level). I mentioned all this for two reasons:
1. If you have or know a kid (boy or girl as there is also a Girls State program) who is academically sound and has yet to finish their junior year in high school and they have any interest at all in government and/or leadership in general (even if just at the student council level), I highly encourage you to learn more about this program to see whether it is a fit and if so, encourage them to apply.
2. Every June through this program I get to interact with 400+ of the best and brightest high school juniors in the state of Massachusetts. And every June when I leave the program I feel completely invigorated by their energy and enthusiasm and heartened that there are at least some young people who do care about politics and understand what civic responsibility really means. This same program happens in all 50 states, and 2 boys from each state will also be chosen to attend Boys Nation in Washington, DC in July, which is similar to Boys State except they will form a mock-government at the Federal level rather than State level. It really is amazing to watch it all unfold. Now I know only a small fraction of these kids will ever enter public service, and those that do may lose that youthful exuberance and idealism by that time, but I know for a fact that the cast majority will be better citizens as it relates to voting and civic engagement in general as a result, so it does give me some hope for the future.
Many of our elected officials attended Boys State and Girls State as kids. This includes Bill Clinton, who was elected to represent Arkansas at Boys Nation in 1963 and it was then that this famous photo was taken:
http://www.boysandgirlsstate.org/boys.html
[Edited on 3/5/2015 by gondicar]
We have something in common, '85 BS CT. It didnt impact my life as much as yours, but I was gratefrul for the nomination and partiicipating.
Isn't the Republican front runner Jeb?
God, I hope not. Can you imagine what the media would do with this? Jeb would have to run
against the Democrat, plus his brother. Might has well hand another one to the Democrats
on a platter if Jeb is the nominee.
my Democrat brothers and sisters
Gettin' deep in here.
