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Okay, where is the media’s speculation of the shooter’s race, political affiliation, sexual orientation and assertion that the shooter was driven to kill by some group’s rhetoric?
Are protestors assembling?
This happened at 11am PST - come on!
dude really? that's where you want to go with this and it's not even over yet? get some help man, really.
another sad day in the history of America.....truly sad prayers for the families and victims...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html/blockquote >
__________________________________________________________________________Okay, where is the media’s speculation of the shooter’s race, political affiliation, sexual orientation and assertion that the shooter was driven to kill by some group’s rhetoric?
Are protestors assembling?This happened at 11am PST - come on!
Let me help you out. The mayor of San Bernadino is R Carey Davis. He is a Republican.
dude really? that's where you want to go with this and it's not even over yet? get some help man, really.
He is drooling over the chance to attack people.
According to a police press conference. at least 14 dead and 14 wounded. It appears that the shooter escaped in a black SUV.
dude really? that's where you want to go with this and it's not even over yet? get some help man, really.
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It has nothing to do with "where I want to go" but everything with how the left-wing media usually covers these things. Except of course in Chicago and other cities run by Democrats where the media just doesn't report the carnage.
dude really? that's where you want to go with this and it's not even over yet? get some help man, really.
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It has nothing to do with "where I want to go" but everything with how the left-wing media usually covers these things. Except of course in Chicago and other cities run by Democrats where the media just doesn't report the carnage.
Are you serious? Are you really that brain dead? Are you really trying to make an association between gang shootings that occur all over the country with a domestic terroris act like today in California? Then tell me how this happened in a city with a Republican Mayor.
These threads are brain dead IMO -- all the talk about liberal conservative, Republican Democrat...
these mass shootings aren't about political leanings
they're about guns getting into the hands of twisted people -- it's gotten pretty bad -- real bad
the Sandy Hook massacre in CT was 3 years ago today
SKY 5 News doing Live coverage.
One suspect is on the ground and appears injured/shot by a policeman. There is a group of police personnel crouched behind their SWAT vehicle. (coverage here on PIX 11). The police pursued someone in a dark SUV. The SUV had multiple bullet holes in it. There is also interest in a house in the area. It is about 2- 3.5 miles to the east. They have officers in backyards and set up a perimeter just south of the SUV interested in certain houses.
Two Colton bearcats were brought in and are surrounding the SUV (there is nobody apparently still in the SUV, which is visibly all shot up, including the windshield. All the police units have converged on this one area with the SUV and the SWAT vehicle.
One suspect reportedly is in custody after foot pursuit.
So far:
Fatalities 14
Injured 17
800-637-6653 anyone who has family at the facility that was attacked today, they can call here and they will give them info. on what happened at the center to help them be re-united with their loved ones who may have been at the center.
UPDATES
😮 Pipe bomb found in the 1500 block near the SUV. Two suspects in custody. There IS a man in the back of the SUV with an assault weapon. AND something strapped to his chest. They are not sure if he is conscious or not. The police have a trac unit with a blast shield. The bomb squad will probably be coming soon. THEY ARE PULLING A BODY OUT OF SUV.
Kimberly Chang is reporting is at Richardson and Gold Street, a beige colored house and a church, one man said he saw someone run into the church. The house is being surrounded. (4th suspect)
MORE Police going down Richardson Street going towards he elementary school, something going on down there too. Swat teams and men with rifles going towards the river. CNN is reporting they are in a standoff with 2 other people. 😮 😮 😮
IT IS NOT JUST THREE SUSPECTS.
This is a video from the nurse at the scene as police stormed the bldg. She thought is was just a terror drill.
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Absolutely heartbreaking. 🙁
These threads are brain dead IMO -- all the talk about liberal conservative, Republican Democrat...
these mass shootings aren't about political leanings
they're about guns getting into the hands of twisted people -- it's gotten pretty bad -- real bad
the Sandy Hook massacre in CT was 3 years ago today
I agree. But our resident conservative jackass likes to make everything political. I just wanted to cut him off at the beginning. Not that facts mean anything to someone so incapable of looking at things any other way.
Meanwhile, it looks like the shooters have been killed or captured,
As I typed that, I just heard that one shooter is at large and may be barricaded in a church.
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ON THE SCENE NOW
http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-surround-heavily-damaged-black-suv-in-san-bernardino/
A pick up truck just sped down Richardson Street and jumped the curb, then the police who were surrounding the beige house at the corner or Richardson and Gold Street started following the pick up truck and are surrounding ANOTHER different house.
So this would be a fourth suspect, possibly the one who one man said went into a church. Something else that just came out, the building where the attack occurred is a SECURED building where people need electronic key cards to gain access. So the shooters did not just walk in, they had to have it planned, and have obtained access PRIOR to the shooting. They had to KNOW that they needed that type of access, they HAD to have done reconnaissance before hand, and then prepared to be ready to have that access. They knew the door access and what was required to gain entry to that building. This is not just some people who decided to go on a rampage. They also KNEW and went to the Conference Room to start shooting, where a party event was going on. Why did they go to that particular room, how did they know where it was? It doesn't seem like it was more than a coincidence. This has a personal component to it.
This is the website for the organization and the services that they provide.
Inland Regional Center
1365 S. Waterman Ave.
San Bernardino, CA 92408 USA
Work (909) 890-3000
Fax (909) 890-3001
www.inlandrc.org/
http://www.dds.ca.gov/RC/RCSvs.cfm
https://www.autismspeaks.org/resource/inland-regional-center
They provide services for people with Autism. If autism is or has a genetic component to it, and the person who was at least one of the shooters had some relation to the center, that person may have a problem also. Why is it that the drugs given to autism patients are the same as those given to schizophrenics or those with major depressive disorders? Are all of these disorders deemed the same, just contain and control people with drugs to numb them down?
"medicines such as risperidone and aripiprazole can be beneficial in ways that can ease these core symptoms, because relieving irritability often improves sociability while reducing tantrums, aggressive outbursts and self-injurious behaviors."
https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/treatment/medicines-treating-core-symptoms
http://www.autismmanagement.blogspot.com/2013/07/you-cant-always-get-what-you-want.html
Interesting blogs on the sidebar on how situations with autistic children are handled.
This is yet another case where guns were used and that is what they will focus on, they won't want to focus on anything else. If this is a case of a father being pissed off at the school of his child it will just get passed over like the shooting in Connecticut where the nurse let her autistic child go to the range with her. There are a lot of unanswered questions at this point, but the let's jump on the get guns out of the hands of US citizens bandwagon is certain to raise it's ugly head once again, citing mass shootings as the reasons why citizens must be disarmed.
Let us hope cool heads prevail, but after almost every shooting it ends up being the same thing, the rally call to disarm America.
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most of current video is at davidson and curtis streets in loma linda, a few blocks from where the SUV ended up. i'm using google earth to try and figure this out.
also between davidson and gould on richardson
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i see the police following a tracking dog now. you have to wonder if this is a good idea to show so much of this on TV live.
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this prob has nothing to do with it but i googled loma linda gangs and found this
http://iestreetlife.aforumfree.com/t2997-loma-linda-killas-llk
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this too from back in march 2015
http://abc7.com/news/2-killed-5-injured-in-san-bernardino-nightclub-shooting/543579/
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redlands gangs
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/school_based/Redlands_CA.pdf
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People are meeting at the Hernandez Center to meet up with family etc.
Family members are advised to go to Rudy Hernandez Community Center at 222 N. Lugo Ave. to meet their loved ones.
http://www.ci.san-bernardino.ca.us/cityhall/parks/centers/rudy_c_hernandez_community_center.asp
Per press conference Jarrod Burguan, Police Chief, "2 suspects dead at the scene, a male and a female, both were armed with assault rifles, handguns." "The two people in the van are dead". "One other suspect is in custody". "They were dressed in tactical gear".
David Bowdich, Assistant Director FBI. Los Angeles Bringing in FBI agents to check out a house to determine if anything was left there. "This a marathon, not a sprint". "Makng some movements that it is a possibility of terrorism involve, there are a few potential things, we are still gathering facts, it is a fluid investigation", "third suspect, unknown disposition".
[source: All In With Chris Hayes] News conference now. Next conference 11:30 eastern standard time, 8:30 pm California time.
There is a ballistic shield being used on a white bldg. with a battering ram attached to it. [from KNBC]. Not clear if this is happening or happened earlier.
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maybe not a 3rd suspect....might have been only 2. hmmm maybe a husband and wife. was at a xmas party? at a conference room there and was an altercation and someone or 2 left and maybe came back.
Well even the FBI confirmed that one person at the party got into an argument and left. It was not known to him if one of the people who came back was THAT person from the party. But all the logistics of everything else that happened, having others in place, having their escape route planned, the beige house. The shooters had a plan.
Did the person who was at the party and left go there wanting some resolution to a problem, having a back up plan that if he/she did not get the resolution they wanted, they would come back and execute the shooting plan?
The people who went in shooting had at least one access badge to get in, (as an employee would) IF it was a parent, if they were dressed in tactical military gear with a rifle would an employee buzz them and the two others in? They shouldn't, but did they reacting out of fear? Did they shoot the cardreader and just come in anyway?
ACCESS is a big thing. HOW did they gain the access. When that question is answered the rest should fall into place, because at least one of the shooters had a personal disagreement or frustration with the center. They did not just come in and shoot any and everybody, they went to a specific room, they knew where it was, they went there to start their shooting. They had a personal relation to the center and the people there.
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yup
Oh Dear God, there is going to be a Muslim link to this....
one person named "Syeed Farook" has been named as one of the suspects. He is the owner of the house in Redlands, CA. Pete Williams, Chief Justice Correspondence, MSNBC reports. Rachel Maddows show.
There are reports that there will be a "controlled demolition" of at least one explosive device found at the scene of the center and people may see something because of that, but they should not worry, it will be a "controlled demolition". Jacob Soboroff is on the scene and says a second neighborhood has been evacuated, they are searching block by block they believe there may be additional explosives in the area.
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saw that tooo. my guess is there was someone at work that had an extreme viewpoint about muslims who constantly harassed a muslim coworker to the point of breaking. maybe not, we'll see. could be other way around i guess. whoever it was, they were well prepared.
it is a weird world.
OK i'm done, whatever the reason, its all silly stupid stuff. try and love everyone and quit calling those you disagree with stupid.
wait i just did.....sorry
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I'm not sure what you mean by your remark that it's all silly stupid stuff, I would like to think that means that you think people should not take actions of violence because they disagree with someone else's point of view.
Syed Farooq reportedly works as an environmental health specialist (a health inspector at a restaurant(?) ) at the center. His brother is also being looked at as a suspect. There could have been some sort of contamination at the site and they wanted him to look the other way. There could be that he had a child there and was unhappy with how the child was being treated. It could be his opposition to celebrating Christmas or if he has a child at the center, his opposition to having his child participate in non Islamic holidays and activities.
Non Muslims don't really understand how serious it is to strict Muslims to be asked to participate in holidays of people of other faiths. Muslims do believe in Jesus but not in the way that Christians do. They do not celebrate Christmas. Jews celebrate Hannukah but not Christmas. My best friend when I was 5 years old for many years was Jewish. Her Mother did not like her having a non Jewish friend, she was steadfast in her religion. Religion matters to people.
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yes gina, that is what i meant
The Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) will be having a press conference with a member of one the family members of Syed Farooq, at 11:30 pm eastern standard time, 8:30 pm California time, also the police are supposed to do an updated press conference at that time. So, religion is now coming into the storyline.
Farhan Khan is the brother of one of the suspects, Ahmed Khan. He said his wife is the sister of one of the suspects but he did not say which one or want to get into it. The CAIR personnel prevented him from talking or answering anything, but he did say he spoke to his brother last week but did not know what is going on with him. He seemed upset over what has happened and he expressed that his sadness goes out to the families of the victims.
FROM TUESDAY
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/islamic-694500-area-police.html
ANAHEIM – A Quran damaged possibly by bullets was found Tuesday on the door of a local Islamic clothing store, prompting the business to call police and religious civil rights group, which reported the incident to the FBI in hopes of a federal investigation. Terry Cormier, 36, said she arrived around 8:30 a.m. Tuesday at Al-Farah Islamic Clothing, the store she owns with her husband at 521 S. Brookhurst St. There she found a Quran damaged by what appeared to be bullet holes in the mail slot of the front door.
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We now know the identity of the woman shooter who was shot along with Syed Farook. Tashfeen Malik, 27 – variously described as his wife or fiancée.
" Witnesses say Farook attended a meeting at the center before leaving angrily for reasons that are still unknown. He returned with Malik and opened fire. Officers searching the scene of the killings later found an undetonated explosive device.
Farook, who reportedly was born in the United States to Pakistani parents, worked as a health inspector for San Bernadino County, a position he had held for about five years. Malik and Farook, who are believed to have met online and became acquainted in Saudi Arabia, had a baby of about six months who was dropped off with a grandmother before the incident. "
She is from Pakistan but lived in Saud Arabia before meeting Farook and coming to this country.
"Chris Nwadike, who worked with Farook, said that Wednesday's gathering was one of two "general education" meetings the department holds each year and employees were to be given employee rewards and other recognition. After he traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with Malik, he later began to grow a beard, Baccari added. "
REMARKS: The people at that meeting, in that room KNOW what the conversation Mr. Farook had with them was about. The KNOW what went on there. Why are none of them talking? Is someone telling them not to say anything?
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A profile under the user name "farooksyed49" on dating website iMilap.com featured a picture of Farook that Khan confirmed was his brother-in-law. It stated that the user was Muslim American and born in Chicago, Illinois.
"Farooksyed49" described himself as a Muslim American citizen looking for marriage who lives in "California/riverside" — a community about 11 miles south of San Bernardino. His age on the site is listed as 22. IMilap.com describes itself as a "Site for People with Disabilities and Second Marriage."
His Mother was from Pakistan. He travelled to Saudi Arabia two years ago and came back with a wife,and their child is 6moths old.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/12/san-bernardino-shooting-suspect/418584/
A coworker said that the office had given him a baby shower and that he had taken a paternity leave recently. The conference in the room was the same as one given last year a recognition and rewards ceremony for environmental health workers.
REMARKS: Mr. Farook and his wife's ages were listed as being in their mid to late 20's so his profile listed him at least 4 or 5 years ago. He was looking for a wife and found a Pakistani woman,who had been living in Saudi Arabia. Since he was on a website for people with disabilities, he must have been diagnosed as having had one. He was only married for two years with a six month old child. He had been on paternity leave, but usually that occurs just after a child is born not six months later.
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Boy did this thread go dead as soon as we discovered that this is a likely act of Islamic based terrorism.
But was it terrorism or just an angry couple who happened to be Muslims? Terrorism is usually a targeted attack because of an ideology or retaliatory action taken against the target for a wrong the attackers feel. We do not have THE REASON for the attack yet.
In this case it looks like the couple was stressed out (married with a new baby), might have had some cultural differences/stress assimilating into western ways of life, and the man had been diagnosed with some form of disability or he would not have been on a website for disabled people. His diagnosis may be been wrong. He was judged or classified based on western beliefs on how someone should think/behave, but his upbringing is based on a different culture, that can lead to misunderstanding, mislabeling, misdiagnosis.
For anyone to conclude that this was terrorism may be incorrect. If they were not Muslims, would you still think it was terrorism, or would you think it was a couple who went on a rampage?
Are we predisposed as a society to automatically associate Muslims with terrorist acts just because there have been terrorist acts performed by other Muslims?
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Boy did this thread go dead as soon as we discovered that this is a likely act of Islamic based terrorism.
this thread never had much to say from the beginning. I gave a couple of updates and gina has been doing updates. I don't see that it has gone dead.
right now it's time to wait for more information and not jump to conclusions.
Boy did this thread go dead as soon as we discovered that this is a likely act of Islamic based terrorism.
When did we discover that? Nothing I've read suggests that we have any idea at this point what the motivation was. It could be terrorist related. It could be a workplace dispute. It could be something else altogether. The motivation for this attack has not been determined.
