I don't think protests are going to do anything. Some humanitarian assistance has come from Canadian Air Traffic Controllers to their brothers in the US, free pizza.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/us/canadian-air-traffic-send-pizzas-to-us-controllers-without-pay/index.html

When I asked friends & posted on this board where are the protests, the answer was 1) no one in DC cares, 2) demonstrations have lost their effectiveness, and 3) the 2020 ballot box will do the talking.

I don't think people like your son can wait until the inauguration of winners in January, 2021 for things to improve.

It's on us as individuals. Perhaps your son needs to email POTUS & tweet that he's been furloughed & DOESN'T think it's great. He's been conscripted into promoting a wall that isn't feasible according to engineers & the DHS. He's being supported by his dad. That can't be a good feeling, especially when he's a father himself.

I wish your family good luck.

My family (kid & his family) will be fine. Thank you! Its the hard working, loyal Americans who are doing important work that do not have the financial backing that I am very concerned about.
F Russians prey on this $hit and jam people up...

A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.

Everyone should acknowledge that Trump wanted this and he got it. So make no mistake where or why this started (talking to the Trump is always right crowd).

Now, I think the Democrats made a mistake yesterday by not accepting the White House invitation to attend yesterday's meeting.

I know what they will say "why go, what will change", "nothing will come of it", "it will be a waste of time", "we don't want to give him a photo op". Even if any of those things are true, even just for appearance, invited members should've went. By not going they appear to be the ones not trying to negotiate and find a way forward. Whatever the truth is, by skipping that meeting the perception is Democrats aren't trying and perception can often be seen as reality for some.

And now, Pelosi is talking about delaying the State of the Union speech - which is 2 weeks away. That too leads one to believe that she thinks this shut down will still be in effect 2 more weeks from now and shows that she holds out no hope or willingness of trying to compromise on anything. I think that too is a bad look. Trump said Thursday before he left for Texas that compromise was something they could talk about. I have no idea what his version of compromise would be, and I have to assume the Democrats have no idea either because they are refusing to talk to each other now.

The situation is just totally effed up. First of all Congress can't do their job and pass budgets and appropriation bills on time so we keep finding ourselves at these stop-gap continuing resolutions. That sucks. Do your damn job. Second, Trump can't expect a House led by Democrats are going to give him what he wants when it is at odds with what they want and a shut down is not going to achieve that and instead hurt those not being paid and the party. Third, I think the lion share of blame falls at the feet of Trump and the Republicans no doubt. But as time wears on, Democrats too are going to get caught up in this and poisoned as well.

If you are a Republican you are blaming the Democrats. If you are a Democrat you are blaming the Republicans. I'm ready to just flush them all down the toilet and find entirely new people to put in every position of government.

A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.

That person should be fired.

Everyone should acknowledge that Trump wanted this and he got it. So make no mistake where or why this started (talking to the Trump is always right crowd).

Now, I think the Democrats made a mistake yesterday by not accepting the White House invitation to attend yesterday's meeting.

I know what they will say "why go, what will change", "nothing will come of it", "it will be a waste of time", "we don't want to give him a photo op". Even if any of those things are true, even just for appearance, invited members should've went. By not going they appear to be the ones not trying to negotiate and find a way forward. Whatever the truth is, by skipping that meeting the perception is Democrats aren't trying and perception can often be seen as reality for some.

And now, Pelosi is talking about delaying the State of the Union speech - which is 2 weeks away. That too leads one to believe that she thinks this shut down will still be in effect 2 more weeks from now and shows that she holds out no hope or willingness of trying to compromise on anything. I think that too is a bad look. Trump said Thursday before he left for Texas that compromise was something they could talk about. I have no idea what his version of compromise would be, and I have to assume the Democrats have no idea either because they are refusing to talk to each other now.

The situation is just totally effed up. First of all Congress can't do their job and pass budgets and appropriation bills on time so we keep finding ourselves at these stop-gap continuing resolutions. That sucks. Do your damn job. Second, Trump can't expect a House led by Democrats are going to give him what he wants when it is at odds with what they want and a shut down is not going to achieve that and instead hurt those not being paid and the party. Third, I think the lion share of blame falls at the feet of Trump and the Republicans no doubt. But as time wears on, Democrats too are going to get caught up in this and poisoned as well.

If you are a Republican you are blaming the Democrats. If you are a Democrat you are blaming the Republicans. I'm ready to just flush them all down the toilet and find entirely new people to put in every position of government.

At this point I blame McConnell more than Trump or the Democrats. The House has passed a bill to open the government and sent it to the Senate, and McConnell will not allow a vote on it because Trump won't support it. Well Mitch, that bill is very similar to one the Senate already passed. Let the Senate vote on it and if Trump vetos it then at least you did your part. It's not like you are doing anything else more important.

Polls follow. For those who indicate polls can be wrong as when Trump won the election, keep in mind that the prez polls right before the election were much closer within % points as compared to the much bigger deviation in the polls here that squarely blame Trump and what used to be considered the GOP. Also the polls indicate opposition to a wall.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-week-4-of-the-shutdown-americans-still-think-trump-is-to-blame/

A Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of voters held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown (the poll did not ask about the two separately). An additional 36 percent said they thought congressional Democrats were responsible. Only 2 percent of voters said that Trump’s national address changed their mind about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border; 89 percent said it did not.
Fifty-five percent of Americans blamed Trump for the shutdown, while 32 percent pointed their fingers at congressional Democrats, according to a CNN/SSRS poll. (Respondents were not asked whether they blamed congressional Republicans.) The poll also found that most Americans did not support Trump’s proposal to build a border wall — 56 percent said they opposed the wall, and 39 percent said they were in favor of it. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from one month ago.
Asked for a CBS News/YouGov poll whom they blamed “the most” for the shutdown, 47 percent of Americans said Trump. Thirty percent said Democrats in Congress. Just 3 percent blamed congressional Republicans. But 20 percent of Americans placed the blame “equally” on all parties involved. The poll also found that a large majority of respondents were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the impact the shutdown would have on federal employees (74 percent), transportation and air travel (62 percent) and the economy (71 percent).
An ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 53 percent of Americans held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown, while 29 percent blamed Democrats in Congress. Fifty-four percent said they opposed the building of a border wall, a 9-point decline from a year earlier.

At this point I blame McConnell more than Trump or the Democrats. The House has passed a bill to open the government and sent it to the Senate, and McConnell will not allow a vote on it because Trump won't support it. Well Mitch, that bill is very similar to one the Senate already passed. Let the Senate vote on it and if Trump vetos it then at least you did your part. It's not like you are doing anything else more important.

I'm not quite there because Trump absolutely took ownership of being proud to shut down the government, but McConnell has just quit working. He's got legislation from the House to open the government so bring it to a vote. It's his job. His job is to put legislation in front of the Prez to sign or veto. If there's a veto, then take it back for an over-ride & re-open the government. The excuse that it's a waste of time is ludicrous given that there's nothing else for him to do.

Negotiations shouldn't be between the Executive and the House. Congress proposes, debates & votes on legislation. The Prez has nothing to do w/it. He chooses to veto or not. That's his role.

I've no idea why DJT thinks the optic of him sitting alone in the WH w/no one coming to visit is useful. It makes him look incredibly stupid. Legislation gets passed on Capitol Hill. Legislation gets signed or vetoed in the WH so unless McConnell is in town & expected to come over w/something to sign, this "Home Alone" persona makes him look like he's forgotten he's not sitting in Trump Tower waiting for a dealmaker to come to him.

A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.

If the EVP of the air traffic controllers union is correct that flying is less safe now than it was a month ago & that's the attitude of the TSA, then I'd say that's not far fetched. The union official made a point of saying it's not only passengers who are affected, but packages and medical supplies such as organs for transplant. "Sorry, we have a life-saving liver ready for transplant, but it can't fly to you because no one's awake in the control tower."

Federal workers NOT with Trump, but he told us they were with him. He just makes up crap for the cameras to make himself look good, but he just lies one breath at a time. And people say, "Oh that's just Trump".

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-shows-federal-workers-dont-prefer-border-wall-getting-paid-155101845.html

According to the survey conducted by the Government Business Council and GovExec.com and released Tuesday, 71 percent of federal workers oppose the shutdown, compared to just 21 percent who support it. Just 34 percent of federal employees surveyed support Trump’s demand for funding for the wall, while 56 percent oppose it. And of those workers against the wall, more than 80 percent say they are strongly opposed to it.

[Edited on 1/16/2019 by MartinD28]

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump/blockquote >

Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

 

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump/blockquote >

Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

The best thing about trump is he looks like he might croak any minute now.

He ate too many of the leftover hamburgers from hosting Clemson Tigers football team the other night?

 

Sad so many working people do not have any emergency savings.

Sad so many working people do not have any emergency savings.

The byproduct of free capitalism.

Polls follow.

and now we know Trump thru Cohen paid $50K to manipulate a 2014 CNBC poll and a 2015 Drudge Report poll. Guiliani's response: "We know Cohen's a thief because he was reimbursed for more than he paid them."

Yep. No denial of the fact. Just business as usual in Trumpland.

Polls follow.

and now we know Trump thru Cohen paid $50K to manipulate a 2014 CNBC poll and a 2015 Drudge Report poll. Guiliani's response: "We know Cohen's a thief because he was reimbursed for more than he paid them."

Yep. No denial of the fact. Just business as usual in Trumpland.

Last night I watched Chris Cuomo on Trump's favorite fake news station (CNN). Chris had Rudy on as guest. Rudy - what a piece of work. If anyone is a Ramblin' Man it's Rudy stringing lies & denials together nonstop. Jeez...he's really taken about a dozen steps backwards in his career. His credibility is zilch. This is what happens when one aligns with Agent Trump.

Time for a sequel to "Airplane" . . . Call it "White House".

Pelosi spent the Christmas break in Hawaii.

Pelosi then took Democrat House members and party elites to Puerto Rico to party with lobbyists.
Pelosi continues to refuse to negotiate to reopen the Government.

President Trump denies Pelosi's next party trip:

Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay

President Trump on Thursday abruptly denied military aircraft to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for a foreign trip just minutes before the congressional delegation was set to depart, in a stunning decision that followed her call to delay the State of the Union address amid the government shutdown.

In a curt letter, Trump said her trip has been “postponed.”

“Due to the Shutdown, I am sorry to inform you that your trip to Brussels, Egypt, and Afghanistan has been postponed. We will reschedule this seven-day excursion when the Shutdown is over. In light of the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay, I am sure you would agree that postponing this public relations event is totally appropriate,” Trump wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-denies-pelosi-aircraft-for-foreign-trip-in-response-to-call-for-state-of-the-union-delay

Pelosi also uses a military G5 to go to California every weekend.

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump/blockquote >

Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

You're welcome....The actual discussion was pretty interesting in that McConnell, in his early years as a politician, was very moderate. Once, however, the religious right began to dominate the national Republican party, he too shifted far right in order to gain and keep power within his state of Kentucky as well as in Washington D.C.

According to the people on the panel, McConnell is MIA at present and has hitched his horse to Trump and Trump's base because he can't lose Trump's supporters as that would jeopardize the Senate remaining in Republican hands and thus McConnell's speaker-ship. In other words it comes down to McConnell's own selfishness and need for remaining in power and the country be damned. It really is despicable the lengths many politicians will go to hold onto their seat. And that goes for both parties...

 

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump/blockquote >

Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

You're welcome....The actual discussion was pretty interesting in that McConnell, in his early years as a politician, was very moderate. Once, however, the religious right began to dominate the national Republican party, he too shifted far right in order to gain and keep power within his state of Kentucky as well as in Washington D.C.

According to the people on the panel, McConnell is MIA at present and has hitched his horse to Trump and Trump's base because he can't lose Trump's supporters as that would jeopardize the Senate remaining in Republican hands and thus McConnell's speaker-ship. In other words it comes down to McConnell's own selfishness and need for remaining in power and the country be damned. It really is despicable the lengths many politicians will go to hold onto their seat. And that goes for both parties...

"McConnell's speaker-ship." - wrong.

Senator McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and as with the entire nation, waiting for the Democrats to negotiate.

The legislation to fund national security on the southern boarder and re-open the government from the Democrat's partial shutdown is on the table but the Democrats refuse to negotiate.

 

I posted this the other day, but worth posting again today to show that 4 polls show Trump & the GOP are to blame for the shutdown by GET THIS 20+ percent, but it's a Democrat shutdown??????

A Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of voters held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown (the poll did not ask about the two separately). An additional 36 percent said they thought congressional Democrats were responsible. Only 2 percent of voters said that Trump’s national address changed their mind about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border; 89 percent said it did not.

Fifty-five percent of Americans blamed Trump for the shutdown, while 32 percent pointed their fingers at congressional Democrats, according to a CNN/SSRS poll. (Respondents were not asked whether they blamed congressional Republicans.) The poll also found that most Americans did not support Trump’s proposal to build a border wall — 56 percent said they opposed the wall, and 39 percent said they were in favor of it. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from one month ago.

Asked for a CBS News/YouGov poll whom they blamed “the most” for the shutdown, 47 percent of Americans said Trump. Thirty percent said Democrats in Congress. Just 3 percent blamed congressional Republicans. But 20 percent of Americans placed the blame “equally” on all parties involved. The poll also found that a large majority of respondents were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the impact the shutdown would have on federal employees (74 percent), transportation and air travel (62 percent) and the economy (71 percent).

An ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 53 percent of Americans held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown, while 29 percent blamed Democrats in Congress. Fifty-four percent said they opposed the building of a border wall, a 9-point decline from a year earlier.

If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown-trump/blockquote >

Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

You're welcome....The actual discussion was pretty interesting in that McConnell, in his early years as a politician, was very moderate. Once, however, the religious right began to dominate the national Republican party, he too shifted far right in order to gain and keep power within his state of Kentucky as well as in Washington D.C.

According to the people on the panel, McConnell is MIA at present and has hitched his horse to Trump and Trump's base because he can't lose Trump's supporters as that would jeopardize the Senate remaining in Republican hands and thus McConnell's speaker-ship. In other words it comes down to McConnell's own selfishness and need for remaining in power and the country be damned. It really is despicable the lengths many politicians will go to hold onto their seat. And that goes for both parties...

"McConnell's speaker-ship." - wrong.

Senator McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and as with the entire nation, waiting for the Democrats to negotiate.

The legislation to fund national security on the southern boarder and re-open the government from the Democrat's partial shutdown is on the table but the Democrats refuse to negotiate.

Pelosi already sent a bill to McConnell to reopen the government. If fact, the legislation is very similar to what already passed the senate. It's McConnell's job to put the bill up for a vote, or modify it and send it back to the house. That's how congress works. The Democrats have already agreed to extensive funding for national security, just no money for an expensive and useless wall.

Should Pelosi meet for more negotiations? Yeah, she should, but it is all a waste of time until Trump offers something big, or backs down on his wall idea. Trump slamming his little hands on the table and storming out or the room like a toddler throwing a tantrum just wastes time and shows immaturity.

 

Out of the horse's ass' mouth ""We are getting crushed!"

https://theweek.com/speedreads/818210/report-behind-scenes-trump-believes-hes-getting-crushed

Government Shutdown

Report: Behind the scenes, Trump believes he's 'getting crushed'
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Donald Trump.
Win McNamee/Getty Images

In front of the cameras, President Trump is adamant about standing firm and not bending to Democrats in order to end the government shutdown, but behind the scenes, he's not so steadfast, The New York Times reports.

While watching news coverage of the shutdown recently, Trump turned to acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, clearly heated. A person with knowledge of the conversation told the Times that Trump said: "We are getting crushed! Why can't we get a deal?" Trump has been telling aides that he thinks Americans are going to forget all about the shutdown — entering its 27th day on Thursday, it's the longest in U.S. history — and will instead remember that he demanded money for a southern border wall.

As Trump deals with the shutdown — his poll numbers dropping, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) asking him to reschedule or drop the State of the Union address, and other debacles — Mulvaney is figuring out his new role in the White House. Before becoming acting chief of staff on Jan. 3, Mulvaney led the Office of Management and Budget and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. So far, he's taking a less rigid approach than his predecessor, John Kelly. He's not limiting access to Trump or demanding he sign off on everything, the Times reports, telling staffers during a meeting, "You're all adults." Read more about how Mulvaney is tackling his new role, and how he's dealing with an ever-present Jared Kushner, at The New York Times.

Pelosi already sent a bill to McConnell to reopen the government. If fact, the legislation is very similar to what already passed the senate. It's McConnell's job to put the bill up for a vote, or modify it and send it back to the house. That's how congress works. The Democrats have already agreed to extensive funding for national security, just no money for an expensive and useless wall.

Should Pelosi meet for more negotiations? Yeah, she should, but it is all a waste of time until Trump offers something big, or backs down on his wall idea. Trump slamming his little hands on the table and storming out or the room like a toddler throwing a tantrum just wastes time and shows immaturity.

I'm w/you right up to Pelosi having more negotiations. Why? The House has done its job as you point out, & is waiting for McConnell to do his job, hold a vote on what the House has proposed, & deliver it to Trump to do his job & sign/veto. McConnell's "I'm not wasting time voting on something that's going to be vetoed" is insubordinate to every member of the Senate & a FU to every citizen the Senate represents.

I posted this the other day, but worth posting again today to show that 4 polls show Trump & the GOP are to blame for the shutdown by GET THIS 20+ percent, but it's a Democrat shutdown??????

A Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of voters held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown (the poll did not ask about the two separately). An additional 36 percent said they thought congressional Democrats were responsible. Only 2 percent of voters said that Trump’s national address changed their mind about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border; 89 percent said it did not.

Fifty-five percent of Americans blamed Trump for the shutdown, while 32 percent pointed their fingers at congressional Democrats, according to a CNN/SSRS poll. (Respondents were not asked whether they blamed congressional Republicans.) The poll also found that most Americans did not support Trump’s proposal to build a border wall — 56 percent said they opposed the wall, and 39 percent said they were in favor of it. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from one month ago.

Asked for a CBS News/YouGov poll whom they blamed “the most” for the shutdown, 47 percent of Americans said Trump. Thirty percent said Democrats in Congress. Just 3 percent blamed congressional Republicans. But 20 percent of Americans placed the blame “equally” on all parties involved. The poll also found that a large majority of respondents were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the impact the shutdown would have on federal employees (74 percent), transportation and air travel (62 percent) and the economy (71 percent).

An ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 53 percent of Americans held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown, while 29 percent blamed Democrats in Congress. Fifty-four percent said they opposed the building of a border wall, a 9-point decline from a year earlier.

Your “polling” results from the corrupt liberal media reflect the results they wanted.

Not surprisingly you did not include the links to the back pages that would have the actual questions asked and the data on the people polled.

A President’s first responsibility is national security and President Trump is doing exactly that.

The Democrats are refusing to secure the southern boarder allowing tens of thousands of illegal aliens to freely flow into our country. The direct result of that is the assault, robbery, rape and murder of thousands of American citizens every year.

A President’s first responsibility is national security and President Trump is doing exactly that.

Worng. He is doing exactly the opposite.

If you believe that's the president's top responsibility, then surely you're aware he breached that obligation when he suggested that Pelosi "fly commercial" to meet w/military leaders in Afghanistan. As Speaker, she is 2nd in line to succeed the pres w/ pence being 1st and therefore, is PROHIBITED from flying commercial on such missions. This regulation was highlighted during 9/11 when the whereabouts & safety of the prez, VP, & Speaker was of vital importace. The regulation hasn't changed. Trump breached security regulations & suggested that she do the same.

Of course, if a president doesn't have a problem w/suborning perjury as he did demanding that Cohen lie to Congress on February 7, then one wouldn't expect for him to have a problem w/suggesting Pelosi violate regulations.

BTW, Trump approved resources for Melania to fly to Mar-a-Lago for vacation last night - the same day he denied Pelosi & the davos delegation official trips.

[Edited on 1/18/2019 by cyclone88]

I searched right leaning Rasmussen Reports which does polling. Interesting in that they provided no polls of who is to blame for the shutdown. It makes one wonder why they haven't done the polling or maybe won't publish the results. All other respected polls consistently report Agent Trump & the GOP is to blame by 20+ percentage points.

I did find the below poll that even via Rasmussen shows the disapproval for Trump is 55% vs 44% approval for a net -11 disapproval. Keep in mind that most other polls have Trump's disapproval net at even more. Bottom line is that nationally Trump is not popular. For right-wingers and those who still believe Trump is a good & honorable man and believe he is doing a good job, even Rasmussen does not support that.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll follows:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 31% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 47% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16.

I did another search using far right FOX Polls. The most recent was from a week ago, and even State Run TV, FOX shows Trump at -6 disapproval.