https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-sheriffs-deputy-overdoses-nearly-025740807.html
Watch the video, you will be in shock. Deputy does not even ingest the stuff and he very nearly dies.
Fentanyl is certainly nasty stuff. It's up there with crack and methamphetamine on my list of substances that SHOULD be monitored and controlled. I don't know if it's a real, honest warning or propaganda from folks who want Marijuana removed from public choice, but down here where I live there was an announcement that Marijuana that had been laced with Fentanyl was in wide distribution - and ALL pot should be avoided. Is this real or just another means of discouraging honest folks from using a substance that by comparison is very safe?
Anybody here old enough to remember the Paraquat scene in the 70's? I don't know if that was real or not, but the idea was that Paraquat, a herbicide akin to Agent Orange (Roundup on steroids) was "crop dusted" over growing fields in an attempt to either scare people from smoking pot - or to just kill off as many stoners as possible. I don't know if the U.S. government (Fed's) were behind this or not, but the end result was that it angered a lot of law-abiding people who were upset that said Federal government had taken it upon themselves to poison their children or others who chose to smoke the Devil's Weed.
I know I bent the topic slightly, but if the Federal Government would keep their archaic laws off of our bodies - legalize the safe stuff (Marijuana) and focus, instead on the known poisonous and deadly substances - we'd all be better off.
But yeah, Fentanyl is a dangerous and nasty substance. Lock up the bastards who deal in that stuff - legalize Cannabis for all of us otherwise law-abiding citizens.
Peace.
R
@rusty: "down here where I live there was an announcement that Marijuana that had been laced with Fentanyl was in wide distribution - and ALL pot should be avoided."
To me that's a strong recommendation to always get your weed from a legal dispensary. I assume (I admit it's a big assumption) that SOME kind of quality control is going on regarding legal weed that would identify a batch laced with fentanyl.
Can we agree that the opiate crisis has been the driver behind the rise of fentanyl production and distribution in American? Can we then agree that the opiate crisis was exacerbated many times over by the unscrupulous pharmaceutical and medical complex?
If so then what if we allowed persons who are opiate users and or addicts to simply grow poppies in their own backyard (like cannabis) to ensure the safety of their drug of choice? Sounds dangerous and crazy, correct? But more dangerous and crazy than buying tainted crap on the blackmarket?
You actually can grow poppies relatively easy besides the fact that the federal gov't will make it nearly impossible to do so. But think for a moment as to why heroin has been so criminalized and stigmatized? Sure it's more addictive and deadly than most drugs...But more than alcohol? Or nicotine chronically used over a lifetime?
I ask these questions merely as a way to suggest that the war on drugs is completely arbitrary. A war, finally, that most Americans are seriously beginning to question and come to to the realization that it needs to end and we treat drug use and drug addiction as a health crisis and not a war on human beings.
We've seen proof of this in the amazing and relatively quick turn around in attitudes toward mostly soft drugs like cannabis but also hard drugs as in the case of Oregon in the ballot initiative in 2020 legalizing small amounts of cocaine or heroine for example.
Also with recognition, finally, that several psychedelics should be decriminalized for treatments of trauma and mental health disorders. Psychedelics by the way that have no toxicity whatsoever to the human body but yet are considered dangerous by the federal government.
@rusty: "down here where I live there was an announcement that Marijuana that had been laced with Fentanyl was in wide distribution - and ALL pot should be avoided."
To me that's a strong recommendation to always get your weed from a legal dispensary. I assume (I admit it's a big assumption) that SOME kind of quality control is going on regarding legal weed that would identify a batch laced with fentanyl.
Do you think "Big Reefer" is squeezing out the small dealers by instilling Fentanyl fears? It's a great argument for legalization - look for the dispensary label! 😉
Every state should just allow home cultivation of cannabis and that would mostly address the Fentanyl issue. But to your point about "Big Reefer," the corporate powers that be want none of that.
Another double standard since most states allow for home brewing of beer, production of wine, etc.....If it's alcohol, no problem, the evil herb, no way!
IMO - Cannabis shouldn't even be discussed in the same sentence or context as Heroin or other potentially dangerous/deadly substances. I get the whole, "make it legal and it'll be safer" argument - but this hasn't exactly worked with alcohol (for example). In my own family, I have seen more destruction related to booze than any "drug". Then there are the really dangerous substances like methamphetamine - which is (to my knowledge) generally concocted in make-shift home-made "labs" - themselves a danger. I have yet to meet or hear about anybody who OD'd or became addicted to cannabis.
As far as home-growing posing a risk to any professional industry - how many people grow their own tobacco? I know many people who grow tomatoes and vegetables, but they haven't put a single farmer out of business. I don't know that much about growing weed, but I don't think I could grow all that I am willing to consume on a couple of plants on my porch.
I’m not anti-marijuana. I’m just curious about the correlation here. Seems this near death occurred in California. Thank God (if it’s ok to invoke His name ) he has recovered & his career can continue.
Many of y’all are much more up to speed on this as I reside on the east coast. If I’m correct those 21 & older in Cal. can possess up to 1oz of flower or 8 grams of concentrate. Adults can also legally grow up to 6 plants in their residence. This has been in effect since 2016.
How then does legalizing pot prevent this? Should the Topic be changed to
“For the Pro Open Borders Crowd: THIS is what a dangerous drugl looks like.”
@icepick: Yes, the video happened in Calfornia (San Diego). You want to know what relevance it has since pot is legal in California. Have you forgotten that it is still illegal at the Federal level? Or that even legal marijuana outlets (in California or not) cannot deposit their earnings at a bank because banks can be liable for accepting deposits from a business that deals in a Federally banned substance? Or that employers (according to a Supreme Court ruling) can ban applicants or fire current employees who test positive for marijuana, no matter WHAT state they reside in? We still have a LONG way to go before the stigma of marijuana use is relaxed. That's why this video concerning the severe and imminent dangers of fentanyl is IMO very appropriate and that is true in ANY state, whether or not marijuana happens to be legal there. NO, I'm not going to change the title of this post.
Apparently, skepticism from some in the medical community about the veracity of this report is arising -
“We have a lot of scientific evidence and a good knowledge of chemical laws and the way that these drugs work, that says this is impossible,” said Ryan Marino, medical director for toxicology & addiction at University Hospitals in Cleveland. “You can’t just touch fentanyl & overdose. It doesn’t just get into the air & make people overdose.”
So there’s that side of it
there’s also a first time for everything, & glad he came out of it OK
While reforming the federal banking laws vis vis cannabis is encouraging, it’s yet another baby step....Just F@CKING RESCHEDULE CANNABIS to the same level as ALCOHOL and everything else will fall into place....This isn’t rocket science, it’s middle school science!!!
@chain: I am SO with you
@robslob I want to explore this theory that legalization of pot @ the Federal level lessens the danger of fentanyl at the street level. Then it would be interesting to explore how the tender method by which pot is obtained has an impact on the level of severity that fentanyl exposes the to public.
So let’s say that Federal govt legalizes pot ala 21st amendment to the constitution. In that the Federal gov’t allows ea state to
1-Control sale of alcohol in that state
2-Allow distribution of alcohol in that state
3-Control importation of alcohol into that state
4-Control statutes that determine who can possess alcohol in that state
So if marijuana is substituted for alcohol in any of those line items what will be different from how California, Colorado, Illinois or DC is currently monitoring their pot commerce? Since the majority of Fentanyl is being smuggled thru our currently non-secured southern border then why does the Federal gov’t turn its back on that but is will not address marijuana legalizations?
Cash is still king in the underworld tho cryptocurrency is making inroads in the legal pot trade. Do smokers not have access to atm’s? How many current day smokers are unable to obtain banking accounts due to irresponsible spending habits? As well with trending intrusion by the Federal gov’t on our spending habits via plastic and their desire to move us to a cashless society perhaps debit/credit transactions are not to be desired. However Fentanyl can still be bought, I think, without a debit/credit card.
Does this lend itself then that Federal approval of Fentanyl & ability to purchase it thru the banking system make it less dangerous?
- @icepick: Not sure I want to debate this subject with you anymore because I just don't see that you are making a whole lot of sense. Who ever advocated Federal approval of Fentanyl and purchase of it through the banking system?
Not debating. Wondering how Fed legalization & ability to transact commerce in the pot industry causes Fentanyl to be more dangerous than it already is.
From LastingRecovery.com
In last five years ( same time frame pot has been legalized in Cal ) fentanyl & other opioid overdoses in Cal have increased by 2100% with more than 4000 overdose deaths.
Estimates are that up to 90% of all illegal drugs in the US come in from Mexico.
It goes on to discuss how the cartels substitute it for other opioids thru their pill press capabilities and surprisingly are not truthful about it to the dealers and consumers.
My opinion is that anything the Feds do to reschedule pot will do nothing to curb this trend. People gonna do what people wanna do & find what they want to reach their objective. Last paragraph in last post was simple hyperbole.
Apparently, skepticism from some in the medical community about the veracity of this report is arising -
“We have a lot of scientific evidence and a good knowledge of chemical laws and the way that these drugs work, that says this is impossible,” said Ryan Marino, medical director for toxicology & addiction at University Hospitals in Cleveland. “You can’t just touch fentanyl & overdose. It doesn’t just get into the air & make people overdose.”
I know nothing about it but it looked like that cop got too close to it and the other guy told him not to and he collapsed in a couple of seconds.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
I know nothing about it either but it’s surprising that near-death experiences, which is how this was described, haven’t happened b4 during the multitude of fentanyl busts over the years
between fentanyl & covid, air itself, so we are told, can be lethally unhealthy now -
So Is Joy - the deleriously happy & big Milwaukee crowd that celebrated their NBA title, was later accused of being irresponsible maskless superspreaders
Zanger & Evans called it in their song - that’s what covid has made of us - w/disrespect toward none
cya in the year 2525💊🤖🚴
