Boyton and the Democrats! good band name.
LOL!!!
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator. This is what they do best. In the meantime, dealing with the many issues of the people and approving judges get stonewalled and put on the back burner.
From an article via "Fortune"
“Republican after Republican praised Director Comey’s impeccable record of independence_right up until the moment he issued his conclusion,” said the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland. “The only emergency here is that yet another Republican conspiracy theory is slipping away.”
The FBI is supposed to be insulated from partisanship, with directors appointed to serve 10-year terms under legislation passed in 1976 following J. Edgar Hoover’s extraordinary 48-year tenure. Comey is a Republican first nominated to a senior Justice Department post by George W. Bush and tapped to lead the FBI in 2013 by President Barack Obama.
Where's the outrage?
ABC News detailed a final State Department investigation which concluded that past secretaries of state, including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice's immediate staff, "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The findings come as the FBI investigates a private email server used by Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state.
For months, conservative media figures have attacked Clinton, baselessly accusing her of wrongdoing for receiving State Department emails on her private email account while secretary of state. On February 4, reports emerged that Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice also used private email accounts when they served under former President George W. Bush, and some of their emails similarly contained information that was retroactively classified.
The March 4 ABC News article reported that "a final memorandum" issued by "[t]he State Department's internal investigation arm" found that former secretaries of state "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The State Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
Hillary Clinton asked NSA for secure phone for email when she first took office, was turned down
One day after the FBI Director criticized Hillary Clinton for her use of email while Secretary of State, even as he made clear that no charges would be appropriate, it’s now coming to light that Clinton actually went to great effort to obtain more secure email devices but was turned down by other agencies. Weeks after being sworn in at State, she asked the NSA for a secure smartphone upon which she could conducted her email, but the request was repeatedly denied.
This calls into further question whether the FBI Director was out of bounds when he offered his scathing personal critique of Hillary Clinton’s email usage even while admitting that he had absolutely nothing to charge her over. Either he lacked an accurate picture of the circumstances under which she was forced to rely on her own email server, or he ignored them while trying to send a political message. CBS News has more on Hillary’s attempt at securing a government smartphone.
Oddly enough, evidence of Hillary Clinton’s great effort at acquiring a secure government smartphone was unwittingly uncovered when Judicial Watch, a right wing entity whose primary purpose has been to keep democrats tied up in frivolous lawsuits so they can’t govern, sued to force her emails to be publicly released. Among them is the February 2009 exchange in which Hillary Clinton’s office requested a secure BlackBerry similar to the one that had been provided to President Obama – but her requests were repeatedly declined.
After the NSA turned down her request for a secure smartphone for email, and her staff determined that the existing State Department technology infrastructure was nonexistent for such tasks, Clinton ultimately decided to get down to work by installing her own fully functional email server and tying it into her own BlackBerry for email.
This paints an entirely different picture than the supposedly “careless” behavior alleged by the FBI Director. Instead, Hillary Clinton immediately tried to go through official channels to get her hands on official government technology that would allow her communicate effectively via email, and after being railroaded in those efforts, only turned to setting up her own system out of professional necessity.
This calls into further question whether the FBI Director was out of bounds when he offered his scathing personal critique of Hillary Clinton’s email usage even while admitting that he had absolutely nothing to charge her over. Either he lacked an accurate picture of the circumstances under which she was forced to rely on her own email server, or he ignored them while trying to send a political message. CBS News has more on Hillary’s attempt at securing a government smartphone.
There is no chance that this is going away before the election, if then. I wonder how long before Vince Foster becomes a campaign issue.
There is no chance that this is going away before the election.
Of course not, the only reason this is going on at all is because of the election!
Where's the outrage?
ABC News detailed a final State Department investigation which concluded that past secretaries of state, including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice's immediate staff, "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The findings come as the FBI investigates a private email server used by Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state.
For months, conservative media figures have attacked Clinton, baselessly accusing her of wrongdoing for receiving State Department emails on her private email account while secretary of state. On February 4, reports emerged that Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice also used private email accounts when they served under former President George W. Bush, and some of their emails similarly contained information that was retroactively classified.
The March 4 ABC News article reported that "a final memorandum" issued by "[t]he State Department's internal investigation arm" found that former secretaries of state "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The State Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.
Where's the outrage?
ABC News detailed a final State Department investigation which concluded that past secretaries of state, including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice's immediate staff, "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The findings come as the FBI investigates a private email server used by Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state.
For months, conservative media figures have attacked Clinton, baselessly accusing her of wrongdoing for receiving State Department emails on her private email account while secretary of state. On February 4, reports emerged that Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice also used private email accounts when they served under former President George W. Bush, and some of their emails similarly contained information that was retroactively classified.
The March 4 ABC News article reported that "a final memorandum" issued by "[t]he State Department's internal investigation arm" found that former secretaries of state "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The State Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.
A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
Where's the outrage?
ABC News detailed a final State Department investigation which concluded that past secretaries of state, including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice's immediate staff, "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The findings come as the FBI investigates a private email server used by Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state.
For months, conservative media figures have attacked Clinton, baselessly accusing her of wrongdoing for receiving State Department emails on her private email account while secretary of state. On February 4, reports emerged that Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice also used private email accounts when they served under former President George W. Bush, and some of their emails similarly contained information that was retroactively classified.
The March 4 ABC News article reported that "a final memorandum" issued by "[t]he State Department's internal investigation arm" found that former secretaries of state "handled classified material on unclassified email systems." The State Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
You beat me too it.
And to add, it wasn't about "everybody does it" but more to point out how all the "investigate the investigators" faux outrage over Hillary is hypocritical election year political grandstanding.
Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.
A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
You beat me too it.
And to add, it wasn't about "everybody does it" but more to point out how all the "investigate the investigators" faux outrage over Hillary is hypocritical election year political grandstanding.
Neither Powell or Rice were Presidential candidates, Hillary is. Perhaps that's part of the equation.
JAMES COMEY: There are two things that matter in a criminal investigation of a subject: What did the person do and, when they did that thing, what were they thinking. When you look at the 100 years plus of the Justice Department's investigation and prosecution of the mishandling of classified information, those two questions are, obviously, present. What did the person do, did they mishandle classified information? And when they did it, did they know they were doing something that was unlawful? That has been the characteristic of every charged criminal case involving the mishandling of classified information.
I'm happy to go through the cases in particular. In our system of law, there's a thing called mens rea. It's important to know what you did, but when you did it, this Latin phrase, mens rea, means what were you thinking? We don't want to put people in jail unless we prove that they knew they were doing something they shouldn't do. That is the characteristic of all the prosecutions involving mishandling of classified information.
There is a statute that was passed in 1917 that on its face makes it a crime, a felony for someone to engage in gross negligence. So that would appear to say, well, maybe in that circumstance you don't need to prove they knew they were doing something that was unlawful, maybe it's enough to prove that they were just really, really careless beyond a reasonable doubt. At the time Congress passed that statute in 1917, there was a lot of concern in the House and the Senate about whether that was going to violate the American tradition of requiring that before you're going to lock somebody up, you prove they knew they were doing something wrong. So there was a lot of concern about it. The statute was passed.
As best I can tell, the Department of Justice has used it once in the 99 years since, reflecting that same concern. I know from 30 years with the Department of Justice they have grave concerns about whether it's appropriate to prosecute somebody for gross negligence which is why they have done it once that I know of in a case involving espionage. And so when I look the facts we gathered here, as I said, I see evidence of great carelessness, but I do not see evidence that is sufficient to establish that Secretary Clinton or those with whom she was corresponding both talked about classified information on email and knew when they did it they were doing something that was against the law. So given that assessment of the facts, my understanding of the law, my conclusion was and remains no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. No reasonable prosecutor would bring the second case in 100 years focused on gross negligence. And so I know that's been a source of some confusion for folks. That's just the way it is. I know the Department of Justice, I know no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. I know a lot of my former friends are out there saying where they would. I wonder where they were the last 40 years, because I'd like to see the cases they brought on gross negligence. Nobody would, nobody did. So my judgment was the appropriate resolution of this case was not with a criminal prosecution. As I said, folks can disagree about that, but I hope they know that view -- not just my view, but of my team -- was honestly held, fairly investigated and communicated with unusual transparency because we know folks care about it.
Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.
A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
You beat me too it.
And to add, it wasn't about "everybody does it" but more to point out how all the "investigate the investigators" faux outrage over Hillary is hypocritical election year political grandstanding.
Neither Powell or Rice were Presidential candidates, Hillary is. Perhaps that's part of the equation.
Duh. The election is the only reason this is going on...and not because of some sense of duty of protecting the presidency in some way, but because of partisan politics and the need for a new "scandal" to point at during he election cycle itself.
Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
You beat me too it.
And to add, it wasn't about "everybody does it" but more to point out how all the "investigate the investigators" faux outrage over Hillary is hypocritical election year political grandstanding.
Neither Powell or Rice were Presidential candidates, Hillary is. Perhaps that's part of the equation.
Duh. The election is the only reason this is going on...and not because of some sense of duty of protecting the presidency in some way, but because of partisan politics and the need for a new "scandal" to point at during he election cycle itself.
In other words, prudence and good judgment can be suspended? If an investigation ensues, just
blame it on partisan politics and the phase of the election cycle.
[Edited on 7/7/2016 by alloak41]
Department found that emails handled on private email accounts associated with Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice contain "information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels.'" Former Secretary Powell responded that those identified emails were not marked "'Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified,'" seemingly underscoring Secretary Clinton's defense that "the State Department is classifying documents too aggressively"
You would hope at some point the "everybody does it" alibi is replaced with "let's clean it up
and do things properly." Normal people are expected to, and the "but Joe does it too" excuse
doesn't get far in the real world.A law was passed in 2014 that prohibits official correspondence on private e-mail servers. So it was cleaned up.
You beat me too it.
And to add, it wasn't about "everybody does it" but more to point out how all the "investigate the investigators" faux outrage over Hillary is hypocritical election year political grandstanding.
Neither Powell or Rice were Presidential candidates, Hillary is. Perhaps that's part of the equation.
Duh. The election is the only reason this is going on...and not because of some sense of duty of protecting the presidency in some way, but because of partisan politics and the need for a new "scandal" to point at during he election cycle itself.
In other words, prudence and good judgment can be suspended? If an investigation ensues, just
blame it on partisan politics and the phase of the election cycle.
Wait, didn't you just say the difference between previous SoC's improperly handling of classified info via email and HRC is that HRC is running for President? In any case, that's not what I said at all. I am only talking about this specific case which IMO is obviously being driven by partisan politics and the election cycle. I'm also not defending HRC or saying she did nothing wrong, before you try to put those words in my mouth as well.
[Edited on 7/7/2016 by gondicar]
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.
According to alloak, neither the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court nor the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation have a spine. #allrightythen #priceless
[Edited on 7/7/2016 by gondicar]
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.According to alloak, neither the Chief Justice of the United Stated Supreme Court nor the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation have a spine. #allrightythen #priceless
[Edited on 7/7/2016 by gondicar]
Also, according to alloak, having classified emails on your private server is only a crime if you are running for president.
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.
The legal system is an area where you must be more knowledgeable than both Roberts & Comey? That's impressive.
Me thinks the GOP good old boys will have a blast investigating the investigator. Certainly they'll take it into early November, spend a bunch of taxpayer money, try to figure out what to do with Trump, and lose another Presidential election. That's a pretty productive 4 months of effort.
REP. MATT CARTWRIGHT (D-PA): All right, you were asked about markings on a few documents. I have the manual here, Marking Classified National Security Information, and I don't think you were given a full chance to talk about those three documents with the little c's on them. Were they properly documented? Were they properly marked according to the manual?
JAMES COMEY: No.
CARTWRIGHT: According to the manual -- and I ask unanimous consent to enter this into the record, Mr. Chairman -- according to the manual, if you're going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document, right?
COMEY: Correct.
CARTWRIGHT: Was there a header on the three documents that we've discussed today that had the little c in the text someplace?
COMEY: No, there were three emails, the c was in the body, in the text, but there was no header on the email or in the text.
CARTWRIGHT: So, if Secretary Clinton really were an expert at what's classified and what's not classified, and were following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?
COMEY: That would be a reasonable inference.
CARTWRIGHT: Alright. I think you for your testimony, Director. I yield back.
Noun, verb, gop insult
Noun, verb, gop insult
Noun, verb, Obama insult. Or a demeaning cartoon.
You are hardly above the fray.
Meanwhile, I will ask again.
Should Condi Rice and Colin Powell have been prosecuted for using their private email servers?
its really not about prosecuted....its about investigated.....multiple times.....in congress.......or bush's or ronnie raygun and iran contra. ridiculous
[Edited on 7/8/2016 by LeglizHemp]
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.He followed the letter of the law, he put republican douche-bags in their place when questioned and stood his ground. so Comey doesn't have a spine because he didn't take a partisan stance that pleases you and republicans??? 😛 you really are a clueless clown
1. Followed the letter of what law, that negligence can no longer be punished?
2. What questions were those? He didn't take any questions. He made his statement and
left the podium.
3. He got up there and laid out a perfect case of gross negligence in the handling of classified
information, then announced his choice to do nothing. Heads are still shaking everywhere over
that one.
R's don't care about guns, they want to regulate uteri. I hope they let em bring their guns to the RNC serve em alchohol and lock the doors. RIP-GOP.
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.He followed the letter of the law, he put republican douche-bags in their place when questioned and stood his ground. so Comey doesn't have a spine because he didn't take a partisan stance that pleases you and republicans??? 😛 you really are a clueless clown
1. Followed the letter of what law, that negligence can no longer be punished?
2. What questions were those? He didn't take any questions. He made his statement and
left the podium.3. He got up there and laid out a perfect case of gross negligence in the handling of classified
information, then announced his choice to do nothing. Heads are still shaking everywhere over
that one.
1. Negligence is not necessarily a crime.
2. He was questioned by Congress today.
3. Once again, negligence is not necessarily a crime.
R's don't care about guns, they want to regulate uteri.
Completely off topic, but if anything the pro-life Republicans want the uteri left
alone and for nature to take it's course. Wouldn't that be closer to non-regulation?
R's don't care about guns, they want to regulate uteri.
Completely off topic, but if anything the pro-life Republicans want the uteri left
alone and for nature to take it's course. Wouldn't that be closer to non-regulation?
No,
R's don't care about guns, they want to regulate uteri.
Completely off topic, but if anything the pro-life Republicans want the uteri left
alone and for nature to take it's course. Wouldn't that be closer to non-regulation?
Absolutely not. Is that a serious question??
Despite his quick trip from darling to doghouse, I bumped this thread to give our left-leaning posters another opportunity to praise and defend Mr. Comey....
The GOP didn't get the result they wanted from a Republican...so it's time to convene committees. I heard last night possibly 5 GOP dominated committees interested in investigating the investigator.
They don't need to investigate the investigator. Just put him in a room with John Roberts and
they can play with dolls or something. Maybe between the two of them they can come up with
one spine.
He followed the letter of the law, he put republican douche-bags in their place when questioned and stood his ground. so Comey doesn't have a spine because he didn't take a partisan stance that pleases you and republicans??? 😛 you really are a clueless clown
I'm hearing a lot of Democrats the last few days not at all pleased with Mr. Comey. Are they clueless clowns too?
