Even you time and time again, when the subject of education comes up, say "get rid of the Department of Education". And then what alloak? Then what do you do? Privatize education like they did in New Orleans? How's that working?
Somehow we managed to survive 200 years without a DOE and there is a pretty strong argument that we got better results. There is a lot that could be done, starting with sending control back to communities and allowing them to run their own systems once again.
Charter schools, vouchers, school choice. Or is it better to keep doubling down on failure?
Even you time and time again, when the subject of education comes up, say "get rid of the Department of Education". And then what alloak? Then what do you do? Privatize education like they did in New Orleans? How's that working?
Somehow we managed to survive 200 years without a DOE and there is a pretty strong argument that we got better results. There is a lot that could be done, starting with sending control back to communities and allowing them to run their own systems once again.
Charter schools, vouchers, school choice. Or is it better to keep doubling down on failure?
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The Democrats demand that the students be kept in failing schools.
This is panel 3 from the Jefferson Memorial alloak:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan."
Seems like Bernie is keeping up with Jeffersonian ideas as he promotes "free" college.
How do panels Two and Four square with the Republican idea that gay folks shouldn't get married?
Panel Two:
"Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively."
Panel Four:
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
When was the last time you visited DC? Mount Vernon? Monticello?
I'm fortunate that I get to take folks to these places often. I don't think Jefferson would be very happy with the obstructionism of the Republican Party.
Nice diversion there. The Founding Documents. Hah! What do they have to do with anything the modern Republican Party has pushed in recent history?
This country is failing in many, many measurable areas Alloak. The Republican Party has offered nothing in the means of getting the country on track. Nothing on infrastructure. Nothing on education.
Even you time and time again, when the subject of education comes up, say "get rid of the Department of Education". And then what alloak? Then what do you do? Privatize education like they did in New Orleans? How's that working?
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“This country is failing in many, many measurable areas Alloak. The Republican Party has offered nothing in the means of getting the country on track. Nothing on infrastructure. Nothing on education. “
- The Republicans passed 3 major infrastructure bills in The House and all three bill were included in the 362 bills sent to the Senate where Harry Reid refused to even allow them to be discussed let alone come up for a vote.
“Even you time and time again, when the subject of education comes up, say "get rid of the Department of Education". And then what alloak? Then what do you do? Privatize education like they did in New Orleans? How's that working?”
- The Dept. of Education contributes to and educates no one. President Bush brought forth the “No Child Left Behind” program which had massive bi-partisan support. Then the Democrats, bending to their financial supporters the Teachers Union, set out to destroy it. Why? The Teachers Union hated “No Child Left Behind” because it held the teachers responsible for their failure to educate their students. Why do you think there are so many union teachers sitting at home collecting their full paychecks because they were determined to be bad teachers, alcoholics/addicts and in some cases could not speak proper English?
The U.S. Public School system is a joke and grossly fails the students because the liberals manipulate the curriculum to press socialist issues and the Teacher’s Union is all about the money and protecting their incompetent members.
A gargantuan infrastructure bill was passed in 2009. It was called "The Stimulus" and cost upward of a Trillion dollars. Shovel ready jobs!
How many more bills should be passed before the work gets done?
Can you say Keystone?
A gargantuan infrastructure bill was passed in 2009. It was called "The Stimulus" and cost upward of a Trillion dollars. Shovel ready jobs!
How many more bills should be passed before the work gets done?
Can you say Keystone?
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The “Your Tax Dollars at Work” signs erected at the never got started work sites with the stimulus money were quite pretty.
Obama’s political donors sure appreciated the payback too.
A gargantuan infrastructure bill was passed in 2009. It was called "The Stimulus" and cost upward of a Trillion dollars. Shovel ready jobs!
How many more bills should be passed before the work gets done?
Can you say Keystone?
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The “Your Tax Dollars at Work” signs erected at the never got started work sites with the stimulus money were quite pretty.
Obama’s political donors sure appreciated the payback too.
There's one of those signs a few miles from here. It was erected in a boondocks area near a RR crossing and a fire station sits about 75 yards away. Aside from that, nothing really worth mention.....Every time I passed it I tried to detect any work in progress, or any that had been done and no change whatsoever. Never saw a single worker present or any work in progress.
My suspicions were confirmed when I asked a few of the firemen if any work had been done, any improvements to their station house, anything? They told me that a crew showed up to install the sign and that was the end of it. To this day, no work has been done. Nothing.
It probably cost $5,000 to put up that sign announcing a non-existent shovel ready project. The sign still stands as a testament to the pathetic government stewardship of public money but that's about it.
[Edited on 10/16/2015 by alloak41]
I thought the diverse positions on gun control, rather than parroting the party line (and each other), was refreshing.
As for the line of the night, in my book that goes to Bernie when Cooper tried to pull him into the Hillary email quagmire...
[Edited on 10/14/2015 by gondicar]Here I was thinking that the purpose of campaigning for the nomination was to win it. Clearly, Sanders is not running to win. This is the first time I ever remember the line of the night helping the opposing candidate.
He prefaced by saying it probably wasn't good politics, but he also pledged not to run a negative campaign and Cooper tried to bait him into roughing up Hilary on the email controversy and he would have no part of it, instead saying what most other people are already thinking. He is running to win, but does not base his campaign on a "win at all costs" approach which seems to be the norm these days. He is not your typical politician, that's for sure.
I think that he helped both Hillary and himself with that. He obviously helped Hillary by deflating the issue, but he also helped himself by showing that he speaks what he thinks and is not a shallow political opportunist. It's the other three who were hurt by this. Their plans for attack on the email issue were ruined. Chaffee tried it and looked like an idiot. Not that the other three are viable candidates anyway. But I think Bernie benefitted as much as Hillary by this exchange, especially when you consider that the audience was Democratic primary voters.
He certainly hasn't "deflated" the issue. He's simply ensured that it will not be vetted until the fall when she is running in the general election and non-Democrats are considering who to vote for.
I thought the diverse positions on gun control, rather than parroting the party line (and each other), was refreshing.
As for the line of the night, in my book that goes to Bernie when Cooper tried to pull him into the Hillary email quagmire...
[Edited on 10/14/2015 by gondicar]Here I was thinking that the purpose of campaigning for the nomination was to win it. Clearly, Sanders is not running to win. This is the first time I ever remember the line of the night helping the opposing candidate.
I think it is acknowledgement that this "scandal" has played itself out. Any damage this might still cause will be pushed by the Republicans, who just can't seem to let go of any dirt they "think" they have. (Hard to believe they are still talking about Benghazi). It won't help Sanders to work this angle. People already know about it, and if they are still supporting Hillary whatever he says on the email "scandal " won't change any votes.
You do understand the FBIis investigating this right? You also realize that the Republican party is not in charge of the FBI right?
Can you say Keystone?
Can you say oil spill? How about catastrophic environmental disaster? How about dropping oil prices making the construction economically unfeasible? Can you say very few permanent jobs?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/09/3-key-keystone-xl-questions-answered/
Alloak - what have the Republicans done to benefit America since they took control of the House?
Can you say Keystone?
Can you say oil spill? How about catastrophic environmental disaster? How about dropping oil prices making the construction economically unfeasible? Can you say very few permanent jobs?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/09/3-key-keystone-xl-questions-answered/
Alloak - what have the Republicans done to benefit America since they took control of the House?
I thought you wanted infrastructure projects.
Can you say Keystone?
Can you say oil spill? How about catastrophic environmental disaster? How about dropping oil prices making the construction economically unfeasible? Can you say very few permanent jobs?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/09/3-key-keystone-xl-questions-answered/
Alloak - what have the Republicans done to benefit America since they took control of the House?
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On Keystone, the oil is still being transported by truck and rail; far more polluting methods than a pipeline. So the Democrats are sticking with the most polluting delivery system.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
Things will not change until the Democrats start working for the people they represent and not for the special interest groups, lobbyists, unions and the DNC elitists.
I don't think Jefferson would be very happy with the obstructionism of the Republican Party.
Give me a break. Quoting Jefferson from one who supports the far left. I am sure Jefferson would be astonished how far left this government is.
"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." - Thomas Jefferson
Yes he would be lockstep with the Democrats or should we now be more truthful and call them the Socialist Party.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
I thought you wanted infrastructure projects.
Here is the original question:
For the most part I stated facts not feelings. Admittedly I peppered in plenty of hyperbole. If you don't want to change a failing education system, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare than you are part of the problem.
You say the country is the greatest in the universe. What measures are you using alloak? When you say "greatest" that should be a quantifiable measure. Please give us the stats.
Why you are at it could you please give us five accomplishments by the Republican led Congress that have added to America's greatness?
Charter schools, vouchers, school choice. Or is it better to keep doubling down on failure?
Doubling down on failure? It's been 10 years since an all charter school system was adopted in New Orleans. You might want to do a little research on how that's going before you tout a program you know little about.
Charter schools, vouchers, school choice. Or is it better to keep doubling down on failure?
Doubling down on failure? It's been 10 years since an all charter school system was adopted in New Orleans. You might want to do a little research on how that's going before you tout a program you know little about.
Who died and made New Orleans a measuring stick for success or failure? As much as I love the city personally, it's forever been a basket case from a governmental administrative standpoint. As usual, the outlier is the rule not the exception.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
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And how many of those bills were required to keep the country running or were politically expedient for Obama?
Don’t know? I didn’t think so.
Your post is so general and empty is has no merit.
You win alloak. No evidence of any Republican success since Lincoln. Good on ya!
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
Charter schools, vouchers, school choice. Or is it better to keep doubling down on failure?
Doubling down on failure? It's been 10 years since an all charter school system was adopted in New Orleans. You might want to do a little research on how that's going before you tout a program you know little about.
Who died and made New Orleans a measuring stick for success or failure? As much as I love the city personally, it's forever been a basket case from a governmental administrative standpoint. As usual, the outlier is the rule not the exception.
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New Orleans is still trying to recover from the corruption and incompetence of the now incarcerated Mayor Nagin.
The residents of New Orleans overwhelmingly support the Charter School system and are thankful for the successful replacement of the failed public school system.
There are numerous news reports and documentaries detailing the accomplishments.
This makes the left crazy because it proves Charter Schools are far better than the public school system and the Teachers Union.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
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And how many of those bills were required to keep the country running or were politically expedient for Obama?
Don’t know? I didn’t think so.
Your post is so general and empty is has no merit.
Again you lie. The GOP-led congress has sent Obama 74 bills in 2015. Four from the last week are pending. He has signed all but two of the others (read them for yourself here). That is way more specific (not to mention truthful) than your statement "Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth."
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
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And how many of those bills were required to keep the country running or were politically expedient for Obama?
Don’t know? I didn’t think so.
Your post is so general and empty is has no merit.
Again you lie. The GOP-led congress has sent Obama 74 bills in 2015. Four from the last week are pending. He has signed all but two of the others (read them for yourself here). That is way more specific (not to mention truthful) than your statement "Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth."
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You reference The White House website. That site is simply Obama's propaganda and rhetoric.
And how many of those bills were required to keep the country running or were politically
expedient for Obama?
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Keep wondering son.
Then try to craft a logical, fact based argument for your position. Go for a first!
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Keep wondering son.
Then try to craft a logical, fact based argument for your position. Go for a first!
My arguments are fact based. The problem is that you have no idea what a fact is. And when somebody calls you out and asks for you to back up an argument with facts, you answer with "I'm not going todo your research for you." Sorry, but your fact-less based arguments impress nobody but yourself.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Keep wondering son.
Then try to craft a logical, fact based argument for your position. Go for a first!My arguments are fact based. The problem is that you have no idea what a fact is. And when somebody calls you out and asks for you to back up an argument with facts, you answer with "I'm not going todo your research for you." Sorry, but your fact-less based arguments impress nobody but yourself.
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Delusion is a poor argument.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Keep wondering son.
Then try to craft a logical, fact based argument for your position. Go for a first!My arguments are fact based. The problem is that you have no idea what a fact is. And when somebody calls you out and asks for you to back up an argument with facts, you answer with "I'm not going todo your research for you." Sorry, but your fact-less based arguments impress nobody but yourself.
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Delusion is a poor argument.
Exactly, so stop using it.
The Republicans do not “control” the house. While they do have a majority earned after the American People threw Pelosi and Reid out of their leadership positions, the Democrats continue to obstruct everything and use the filibuster to stop the people’s work. Obama has vowed to veto everything the Republicans put forth.
You are such a liar. Obama has signed 68 bills into law in 2015. He has vetoed 2.
Ah, the poor GOP. Those mean old Democrats are obstructing everything. The GOP would never do anything like that. I'm still trying to figure out one positive thing the Republicans have done since taking the majority of both houses congress. I thought elections were suppose to have consequences? Why aren't they making Obama use that veto pen? Maybe if they negotiated a little they could get some of their agenda through. Seems like they are afraid to govern. Heck, the GOP lead congress during the Clinton years were able to get things done. What a pathetic group there is in office now.
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Easy answer: Obama refuses to negotiate, period.
Ah, the Clinton years; adultery, lying under oath and a failure to confront Al Qaeda.
Oh, and a balanced budget courtesy of The Republicans
I always wonder if your alternate version of reality takes place in your head as a result of listening to too much conservative talk radio or if you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Keep wondering son.
Then try to craft a logical, fact based argument for your position. Go for a first!My arguments are fact based. The problem is that you have no idea what a fact is. And when somebody calls you out and asks for you to back up an argument with facts, you answer with "I'm not going todo your research for you." Sorry, but your fact-less based arguments impress nobody but yourself.
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Delusion is a poor argument.
Exactly, so stop using it.
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Ah, the five year old's response.
Well argued son.
