I thought the diverse positions on gun control, rather than parroting the party line (and each other), was refreshing.

As for the line of the night, in my book that goes to Bernie when Cooper tried to pull him into the Hillary email quagmire...

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Here I was thinking that the purpose of campaigning for the nomination was to win it. Clearly, Sanders is not running to win. This is the first time I ever remember the line of the night helping the opposing candidate.

I think it is acknowledgement that this "scandal" has played itself out. Any damage this might still cause will be pushed by the Republicans, who just can't seem to let go of any dirt they "think" they have. (Hard to believe they are still talking about Benghazi). It won't help Sanders to work this angle. People already know about it, and if they are still supporting Hillary whatever he says on the email "scandal " won't change any votes.

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By the Republicans?

So the investigations by The State Department Inspector General, The National Intelligence Services Inspector General and the FBI’s criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton, all prompted by the reports in The N.Y. Times and The Washington Post and Hillary’s refusal to answer the most important questions about the Benghazi/Libya tragedy and cover-up is nothing more than another vast right-wing conspiracy?

I’m sure that is comforting to the families of the four American citizens murdered because Hillary both denied Ambassador Stevens’ repeated requests for additional security and blew Obama’s plan to install the Muslim Brotherhood as the governing body in Libya.

"How do you intend to pay for that?" Another absent question, and could have been used at least a dozen times last night.

That question always seems to be absent from the Republican debates as well. Let's give tax cuts to the wealthy, keep spending ridiculous amounts of money on the military, and yet somehow think that the deficit will magically go away, never mind that the deficit has ballooned with every Republican president in the last 50+ years.

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You seem to have conveniently forgotten Carter’s recession and the fact that Obama has racked up more debt that all the other Presidents combined.

By the Republicans?

So the investigations by The State Department Inspector General, The National Intelligence Services Inspector General and the FBI’s criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton, all prompted by the reports in The N.Y. Times and The Washington Post and Hillary’s refusal to answer the most important questions about the Benghazi/Libya tragedy and cover-up is nothing more than another vast right-wing conspiracy?

I’m sure that is comforting to the families of the four American citizens murdered because Hillary both denied Ambassador Stevens’ repeated requests for additional security and blew Obama’s plan to install the Muslim Brotherhood as the governing body in Libya.

It has already been admitted that the Benghazi investigation is nothing but a witch hunt that has cost the taxpayer millions of dollars and uncovered no wrong doing.

Keep hitching your wagon to that mule you moronic ass napkin.

I didn't get to watch a lot of the debate last night. I'm working on relocating an elderly relative - a whole soap opera to itself.

I saw bits and pieces. I'd have to say that Hillary seemed the most "presidential" to me. Ideas and philosophy aside, Bernie Sanders somehow comes off (to me) as a sit-com grandpa. I started trying to figure out who he reminds me of ... Alan Arkin (latter years) comes to mind. Without the "Argo Fock yourself" attitude!

From the little that I was able to watch, I'd say the moderators were nowhere near as intense (or as hard on) the candidates as the FOX crew in the first GOP debate. I was actually hoping to see some questioning and pushing of the candidates of that same caliber.

Not to knock anybody's candidate here, but so far I haven't seen a candidate from either party that really makes me want to jump up off the couch and go vote for them. Is this really all we've got?

"How do you intend to pay for that?" Another absent question, and could have been used at least a dozen times last night.

That question always seems to be absent from the Republican debates as well. Let's give tax cuts to the wealthy, keep spending ridiculous amounts of money on the military, and yet somehow think that the deficit will magically go away, never mind that the deficit has ballooned with every Republican president in the last 50+ years.

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You seem to have conveniently forgotten Carter’s recession and the fact that Obama has racked up more debt that all the other Presidents combined.

I didn't forget about Carter, and you need to learn the difference between deficit and debt.

By the Republicans?

So the investigations by The State Department Inspector General, The National Intelligence Services Inspector General and the FBI’s criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton, all prompted by the reports in The N.Y. Times and The Washington Post and Hillary’s refusal to answer the most important questions about the Benghazi/Libya tragedy and cover-up is nothing more than another vast right-wing conspiracy?

I’m sure that is comforting to the families of the four American citizens murdered because Hillary both denied Ambassador Stevens’ repeated requests for additional security and blew Obama’s plan to install the Muslim Brotherhood as the governing body in Libya.

It has already been admitted that the Benghazi investigation is nothing but a witch hunt that has cost the taxpayer millions of dollars and uncovered no wrong doing.

Keep hitching your wagon to that mule you moronic ass napkin.

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Those politically motivated millions of dollars wasted could have been a good start on paving roads, fixing bridges, etc. However fixing infrastructure is not a priority of those seeking to damage a presidential candidate of the opposing party and certainly not high on the list for the American people who drive roads & cross bridges.

Not to knock anybody's candidate here, but so far I haven't seen a candidate from either party that really makes me want to jump up off the couch and go vote for them. Is this really all we've got?

In this day & age, I'm not sure there are any. There may not be any moving forward either. I kind of just pick the one who best lines up with my beliefs and interests - social issues & environmental issues are high priorities. That would disqualify anyone that clings to religious justifications for interactions in gov't. and anyone who denies science.

The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

I missed it, if any of you did also, here's a recap.

The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

Better than a tax decrease and a few wars................

It's interesting how they continue to connect tax hikes on the wealthy with helping the middle class and are never called on to explain the rationale. No question it helps the government, but the middle class? How?

"How do you intend to pay for that?" Another absent question, and could have been used at least a dozen times last night.

We're into the seventh year of a no-growth economy, yet we have Sanders up there ranting about middle class wages. He's either unwilling or unable to grasp the concept of what drives wage growth. Higher taxes won't cut it. The disconnect is frightening.

Your disconnect is frightening alloak. May I suggest you stick to the petty "issues" discussed in the Republican "debates" and leave the Democrat debates to the free thinking adults.

And here I thought free thinkers listened to all sides and wouldn't limit themselves, sticking to
a strictly Republican-only set of ideas as you suggest. My bad.

The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

Better than a tax decrease and a few wars................

Nah, the Republican answer is to convince the poor and middle class that giving tax breaks to the wealthy is going to somehow benefit them, trying to make science appear to be some kind of radical dangerous idea, and oppose extending rights for non-whites, non-Christians, non-males.

The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Nah, the Republican answer is to convince the poor and middle class that giving tax breaks to the wealthy is going to somehow benefit them, trying to make science appear to be some kind of radical dangerous idea, and oppose extending rights for non-whites, non-Christians, non-males.

Nah, the Democrat answer is to convince the poor and middle class that across the board tax cuts are tax breaks for the wealthy, trying to make logic appear to be some kind of radical idea, and painting anyone who disagrees with them as racist wack jobs and just terrible people in general.

Republicans don't "paint" their opponents in unflattering ways? All of the criticism of "the left" is respectful and well-mannered?

Why, boy-howdy! Those Republicans sure are some persecuted folk!

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

Methinks you keep missing the main point. That is all the fault of Democrats and liberals alone. No self-professed Republican or conservative has ever contributed to anything negative ever.

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

LOL. You are always telling us how awful things are, especially since Obama took office. Now you are asking someone else why they are here if they think it is that bad? Thanks for the laugh.

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

LOL. You are always telling us how awful things are, especially since Obama took office. Now you are asking someone else why they are here if they think it is that bad? Thanks for the laugh.

You must have me confused with someone else. Without question. I've consistently stated here many times that America is the greatest nation to ever appear on the planet, and provided countless arguments to back that up. My positive comments far outweigh the negative. By miles.

That's not to say that Obama is not the worst President in history. If he's not, he's right there. As for the rest of the government, we deserve much better than what we're getting. I want to fundamentally transform the government. The country itself is still the greatest in the universe.

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

For the most part I stated facts not feelings. Admittedly I peppered in plenty of hyperbole. If you don't want to change a failing education system, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare than you are part of the problem.

You say the country is the greatest in the universe. What measures are you using alloak? When you say "greatest" that should be a quantifiable measure. Please give us the stats.

Why you are at it could you please give us five accomplishments by the Republican led Congress that have added to America's greatness?

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

For the most part I stated facts not feelings. Admittedly I peppered in plenty of hyperbole. If you don't want to change a failing education system, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare than you are part of the problem.

You say the country is the greatest in the universe. What measures are you using alloak? When you say "greatest" that should be a quantifiable measure. Please give us the stats.

Why you are at it could you please give us five accomplishments by the Republican led Congress that have added to America's greatness?

As he seems to be an altruistic individual, I'm guessing at the top of his list is health care for the good of the people; all people. We lead in that category and are the greatest in the universe

everyone has a different idea of what is best for this country i suppose. what is moving forward to some is moving backwards to others. some feel a government has responsibilities to the people and others prefer Kings and Queens.

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it may not be clear what i meant.

it seems some would prefer trusting their employers to take care of them. [fiefdoms]

[Edited on 10/15/2015 by LeglizHemp]

lol that might not be clear either because of course your employers should take care of you. i just mean on a grander scale.

ok i'm done trying to put this in the right context.

[Edited on 10/15/2015 by LeglizHemp]

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The Democrats answer to every problem in America is a government program and a tax increase.

B O O M

If they got even half of what they were talking about in the debate, we're probably looking
at another $10 Trillion. Good luck covering that (along with existing obligations) by raising
taxes on the wealthy and cutting the military.

Dream on.

Yeah. Better to watch the United States fall further behind the rest of the world in education and infrastructure. I love a crumbling country. But hey! At least we are number one in people in prison, gun deaths, and military spending.

USA! USA! USA!

I'm glad you think the status quo in America is all we need strive for alloak. Apparently your American dream consists of stupid kids, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare.

USA! USA! USA! Whoopee! Ain't we the dumbest electorate to ever walk the face of the earth.

If that's the way you feel, why are you here? I feel bad for you putting yourself through it.

For the most part I stated facts not feelings. Admittedly I peppered in plenty of hyperbole. If you don't want to change a failing education system, slow internet, crumbling bridges, a decaying power grid, and endless corporate welfare than you are part of the problem.

You say the country is the greatest in the universe. What measures are you using alloak? When you say "greatest" that should be a quantifiable measure. Please give us the stats.

Why you are at it could you please give us five accomplishments by the Republican led Congress that have added to America's greatness?

As he seems to be an altruistic individual, I'm guessing at the top of his list is health care for the good of the people; all people. We lead in that category and are the greatest in the universe

Quite simply, The Founding Documents. Those documents are what set us apart as the greatest ever. That's where it all starts.

except for that pesky "equality" blub. otherwise, Republicans would really really like it.

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everyone has a different idea of what is best for this country i suppose. what is moving forward to some is moving backwards to others. some feel a government has responsibilities to the people and others prefer Kings and Queens.

edit

it may not be clear what i meant.

it seems some would prefer trusting their employers to take care of them. [fiefdoms]

[Edited on 10/15/2015 by LeglizHemp]

lol that might not be clear either because of course your employers should take care of you. i just mean on a grander scale.

ok i'm done trying to put this in the right context.

Or, here is a novel concept, we could be better at teaching people to be responsible for themselves.

This is panel 3 from the Jefferson Memorial alloak:

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan."

Seems like Bernie is keeping up with Jeffersonian ideas as he promotes "free" college.

How do panels Two and Four square with the Republican idea that gay folks shouldn't get married?

Panel Two:

"Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively."

Panel Four:

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

When was the last time you visited DC? Mount Vernon? Monticello?

I'm fortunate that I get to take folks to these places often. I don't think Jefferson would be very happy with the obstructionism of the Republican Party.

Nice diversion there. The Founding Documents. Hah! What do they have to do with anything the modern Republican Party has pushed in recent history?

This country is failing in many, many measurable areas Alloak. The Republican Party has offered nothing in the means of getting the country on track. Nothing on infrastructure. Nothing on education.

Even you time and time again, when the subject of education comes up, say "get rid of the Department of Education". And then what alloak? Then what do you do? Privatize education like they did in New Orleans? How's that working?

no mention of RI's former governor and US Senator, the Honorable and slightly neurotic Lincoln Chaffee?

the horror...