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WaitinForRain
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The US ranks 40th in the world in healthcare.
About like Cuba.

Single payer makes the most sense economically.

I've never understood Christians who love to profess
their beliefs but PICK and CHOOSE what to follow.

To really live on faith, turn the other cheek, etc etc
is a lot harder than wearing a cross on a
and asking for special exemptions.


 
Posted : December 10, 2018 8:58 am
BIGV
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I've never understood Christians who love to profess
their beliefs but PICK and CHOOSE what to follow.

To really live on faith, turn the other cheek, etc etc
is a lot harder than wearing a cross on a
and asking for special exemptions.

Is the assumption here that because one does not believe in, "The affordable care act" that one can't or does not donate to those less fortunate?


 
Posted : December 10, 2018 10:07 am
JimSheridan
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quote:
Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. Can you back this up with facts, or is this just an opinion? ("Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one." -- Duane Allman)

Billastro

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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.


 
Posted : December 10, 2018 4:19 pm
BoytonBrother
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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.

Amen! Well said. As for the so-called Christian Trump supporter, which is the bullsh*t? The admiration of sleaze like Trump, the hatred for healthcare for the unfortunate, or the Christian values they claim to possess? I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt that their faith is real, but they act out due to unhappiness.


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 10:04 am
Billastro
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quote:
Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. Can you back this up with facts, or is this just an opinion? ("Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one." -- Duane Allman)

Billastro

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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.

Your response is a non sequitur, and has nothing to do with the topic. But I’ll answer your points, in order.

1. I do, and have done so for decades. This is how I know that Jesus came for one purpose alone: to find and rescue the lost. The lost, by His definition, are all who are outside of a relationship with God. His aim was voluntary reconciliation with God for all who would have Him. He clearly had no interest in government involvement. “Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But My kingdom is not from the world.’”

2. This has nothing to do with the question. Personally, Donald Trump was my least favorite candidate among all the Republicans. But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and I’m grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.

3. The fact that evangelicals support President Trump doesn’t lead to any conclusions that apply here. I’m an evangelical Christian and I found a lot of his past and present unacceptable. But he was far less of a problem for America than Hillary Clinton ever would have been.

Billastro


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 11:40 am
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and I’m grateful that he permanently ended her political career.

Amen


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 11:53 am
BoytonBrother
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and I’m grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.

What a complete load of garbage, lol. On my car ride home today, I heard a talk show host say the exact same thing, verbatim. Amazing how that happens! What a coincidence!


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 12:25 pm
lukester420
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and I’m grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.

What a complete load of garbage, lol. On my car ride home today, I heard a talk show host say the exact same thing, verbatim. Amazing how that happens! What a coincidence!

Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.

MAGA


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 1:20 pm
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Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.

The tailspin was prevented when Hillary had to find another source of employment.
Cool


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 1:23 pm
MartinD28
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Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.

The tailspin was prevented when Hillary had to find another source of employment.
Cool

Given everything that we've seen and learned of Trump, I have a hard time believing that anyone can still believe that Trump could ever be considered the lesser of two evils.


 
Posted : December 11, 2018 2:26 pm
JimSheridan
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"1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.
That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump."

"Your response is a non sequitur, and has nothing to do with the topic."

I can break it down further for you, if you need, and apparently you do. The Evangelical churches have continued to support Trump despite the fact that his values and actions are decidedly the opposite of those of Jesus.

Trump celebrates greed, which Christ criticized.

He endorses violence and revenge, both of which Christ spoke against.

The list goes on, but you are completely misusing the term "non sequitur." A non sequitur would be me saying "Squirrels are delicious!" The poster before had argued that evangelicals do not care about the teachings of Jesus; this was an obvious reference to their continuous and ongoing support for Trump.

That Trump could be seen as the lesser of two evils should not make him immune to criticism; it also should not lead to people ignoring alternatives.


 
Posted : December 12, 2018 10:51 am
BoytonBrother
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I don't agree. Voluntary assistance matches His statements, but forced government assistance doesn't.

Exactly. Support for Obamacare IS voluntary. My point is that Jesus would want all Christians to voluntarily support this bill. I think he’d be disappointed in those that aren’t volunteering to support it.


 
Posted : December 15, 2018 6:37 am
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