Here are six different women's opinion of what Hynde said:
Thread is getting complex.
1 - I saw Chrissie in concert a few years ago. She looked hot; would I be excused for raping her.
2 - I have a 20 year old daughter who sometimes parties two hard and dresses with too little on. I constantly worry that her actions will lead to a bad outcome.
3 - Rape is never justifiable under any circumstance. Even date rape; no means no even after an encounter is well under way.
4 - My grandmother always said: "Anyone can get hit by a train; but its much less likely if you stay off the tracks."
5 - So my synthesis. Chrissie sounded like an idiot; but there is a percentage of rape/date rape that could be avoided by more sensible behavior and control.
[Edited on 9/2/2015 by emr]
Apples, oranges and papayas - who's more likely to get raped? A falling down-drunken woman wearing a teddy in the men's room of a seedy bar at 2am ... or a nun in full habit in a church on Sunday? Drastic comparison but the point is, there are environments and situations (which may include how a person is dressed) where a person is more susceptible to acts of crime and violence.
And again, just because a woman is dressed like a porn actress doesn't mean that she wants to be raped. There are some sick guys out there who just receive the wrong signal. The woman is not to blame.
Just curious. How many of you guys (and ladies) have teenage-20 something year old daughters, nieces, grand daughters or other female relatives? Have you ever heard yourself give the, "you're not going out wearing THAT" line before?
I'll stop now. I'm sounding like my father did. 😉
3 - Rape is never justifiable under any circumstance. Even date rape; no means not even after an encounter is well under way.
Rape is never acceptable, period.
3 - Rape is never justifiable under any circumstance. Even date rape; no means not even after an encounter is well under way.
Rape is never acceptable, period.
BINGO
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But, what is wrong with her message? Not what robslob interprets her message as, as evidenced by the thread title, but her actual message?For me it is that she said this:
"Technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing, and I take full responsibility."
That is a bad message, especially to send to women who often find it very difficult to report sexual assault to begin with, for a variety of reasons.
TRIPLE BINGO
Let's take a deeper cut at this. What did Hynde actually say? She certainly did not say that if a woman is dresed provocatively,then a man cannot be held responsible for raping her. Yet this is how it is being intepreted in our hyper sensitive politically correct society.
Here is a good analogy. If you knowingly get into a car with a drunk driver and the driver wrecks the car and you are hurt or killed, the fact that you were dumb to get in the car with a drunk driver in no way negates his guilt. However if I said to my children (as I have) do not get into a car with a driver who is drunk, that would not mean I am saying it is entirely their fault if they are hurt in that situation. I am simply giving them sound advice on how to stay safe.
Let's take a deeper cut at this. What did Hynde actually say? She certainly did not say that if a woman is dresed provocatively,then a man cannot be held responsible for raping her. Yet this is how it is being intepreted in our hyper sensitive politically correct society.
Here is a good analogy. If you knowingly get into a car with a drunk driver and the driver wrecks the car and you are hurt or killed, the fact that you were dumb to get in the car with a drunk driver in no way negates his guilt. However if I said to my children (as I have) do not get into a car with a driver who is drunk, that would not mean I am saying it is entirely their fault if they are hurt in that situation. I am simply giving them sound advice on how to stay safe.
People don't have accountability today; I always say if I woke up on a respirator after my friend (drunkenly) crashed a car the first experience I would have had is my dad slapping my head and calling me an idiot.
Chrissie was fine calling for responsibility; she just needed to present the other side not to sound silly. If I went to a bar in Harlem and started screaming the n-word I'd get the shit beat out of me. I'd be legally justified but stupid as hell
Let's take a deeper cut at this. What did Hynde actually say? She certainly did not say that if a woman is dresed provocatively,then a man cannot be held responsible for raping her. Yet this is how it is being intepreted in our hyper sensitive politically correct society.
Here is a good analogy. If you knowingly get into a car with a drunk driver and the driver wrecks the car and you are hurt or killed, the fact that you were dumb to get in the car with a drunk driver in no way negates his guilt. However if I said to my children (as I have) do not get into a car with a driver who is drunk, that would not mean I am saying it is entirely their fault if they are hurt in that situation. I am simply giving them sound advice on how to stay safe.
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But you are opening yourself up to being accused of discriminating against drunk drivers! 
Excellent analogy.
Stupid is hard to define but I know it when I see it.
Who do you blame? The surfer or the shark? The classic quandary.
Let me reinforce, as I am afraid I might have been mistaken by a few:
I am all for women dressing anyway they want. I do not feel that dressing in revealing fashion is an invitation to a rapist. I am for total freedom of expression -in art, dress and in speech.
Several of us were talking about not putting yourself in a position - for ANYTHING bad to happen to you. Call it measures of prevention.
So, who "asks for it"?
Let's say a guy walks into a Bay Area bar and starts giving his personal opinions about how bikers are the most uneducated and unrefined members of the human race. He goes on to say that in his opinion, Sonny Barger was a closeted homosexual. The guys at the table next to him clad in sleeveless leather vests with large patches that reflect their club pounce on him and beat him within inches of his life.
Was this his fault?
Was this smart of him?
Did he ask for it?
Could this beat-down have been avoided?The guy was well within his right to free speech to state his opinions. He broke no laws.
His beating was courtesy of the local chapter. They broke the laws - not him. But they didn't go and seek him in the streets - he wandered into questionable turf and spoke some very unwise words.Being right is often over-rated. 😉
So what did she do?
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=82+year+old+womann+raped
Or she?
or she?
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-05-13/teenager-jailed-for-raping-91-year-old-woman-in-her-own-home/
or she?
There are different types of rapists. There are also serial rapists, who like serial murderers cannot be rehabilitated.
http://www.hopeforhealing.org/types.html
From these types we can see that how a target is selected depends on what type of rapist the criminal is. If he is an opportunist rapist, if the opportunity is there he will take it. Others who go out of their way to go and hunt someone down to rape if the rapist is the sadistic type he wants to inflict pain and potentially kill the person he chooses to launch his attack on.
People need to be aware of these things then they will understand how horrible it is, and maybe think twice before dressing seductively and being in a bar or other place late at night where there is increased risk to her safety.
Rather than go to the police after being gang-raped, Hynde didn’t appear to complain to anyone. Indeed, she suggests in her book that she put the whole thing down to experience — something she craved after her stable but dull upbringing.
Not only that, she then started a brief relationship with the blond biker. On one occasion, she recalls, she was farmed out to his ‘bro’ — presumably another biker — who started knocking her about in ‘what I learned was a form of sexual foreplay’.
Maybe everything Chrissie says on the subject of rape should be taken with a very large grain of salt...........
[Edited on 9/5/2015 by robslob]
