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What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.
What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.
Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.
What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.
Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.
Like I said, you don't know California politics. It is a blue state and it is getting more blue. As is the rest of the country. The GOP control will end later this year.
What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.
Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.
Like I said, you don't know California politics. It is a blue state and it is getting more blue. As is the rest of the country. The GOP control will end later this year.
Be nice, Keller. Don't rain on goob's parade. He's a prognosticator.
Speaking of prognostication - goob, since you're batting 100% with your prediction of Trump's victory, why don't you go on record & tell us how you believe the House & Senate elections will play out in November 2018. And will Comrade Trump win reelection in 2020, or do think the American people have seen enough of a failed experiment?
Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility.
Let’s see the post. Link?
Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html
Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html
Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.
Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html
Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.
Got to love "The Bakersfield Sound" though! I like visiting the Central Valley in the winter and/or when it is green. Other than that, NFW. Many trips down I-5 from up north in the summer and it's been hotter than hell in the CV. Remember though the CV feeds a lot of people; don't waste food.
That being said, I'll take the CV over Florida! After all, that's where Mar A Lago is 😛
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/europe/putin-nuclear-missile-video-florida/index.html
[Edited on 3/2/2018 by StratDal]
Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html
Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.
Got to love "The Bakersfield Sound" though! I like visiting the Central Valley in the winter and/or when it is green. Other than that, NFW. Many trips down I-5 from up north in the summer and it's been hotter than hell in the CV. Remember though the CV feeds a lot of people; don't waste food.
That being said, I'll take the CV over Florida! After all, that's where Mar A Lago is 😛
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/europe/putin-nuclear-missile-video-florida/index.html[Edited on 3/2/2018 by StratDal]
Other than the Sacramento metropolitan area, you couldn't pay me enough to live in the central valley. Sure, that may be where all the food is grown, but that doesn't mean I want to live there. Ugly cities, meth addicts, crime, stinky air, broiling hot summers, foggy winters, and conservative politics - no thanks. Not much better than living in Texas or Oklahoma.
San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2
Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.php
Disturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles-feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html
San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.phpDisturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles-feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html
"Fake news"
No denying that metropolitan areas where housing and office space is expensive are dealing with issues related to homelessness and not just in California. It's sad and there's no easy answer.
At least I won't have to worry about sitting next to Mule when I go see the Giants this season.
San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.phpDisturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles-feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html
Yet is remains the top US tourist destination and people are willing to pay over a million dollars for a tiny condo just to live here. Must be a terrible place.
I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.
I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.
California has the highest per-capita number of people under the poverty level of all 50 States.
California has more illegal aliens than any other State.
California has more criminal illegal aliens than any other State.
For the wealthy it may be a live place to live. It is easy to get servants.
Yep. Sour grapes.You're just jealous California is so excellent that even with all its problems it is still one of the greatest,prettiest, freest places on Earth, and certainly blows your East Coast sh*thole away. People still flee out here from the East, first place they go when they get wheels, sure don't see many going your way. California native born, and welcome all, just leave your redstate bullsh*t at the Mississippi, thank you very much!
The West is the best.
I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.
California has the highest per-capita number of people under the poverty level of all 50 States.
California has more illegal aliens than any other State.
California has more criminal illegal aliens than any other State.For the wealthy it may be a live place to live. It is easy to get servants.
California also has the highest population of any state.
California has the highest GDP of any state, in fact a higher GDP of your own Russia.
California may have the highest number of people in poverty, but only because of its high population. If you look at poverty rates, you will find higher poverty rates in Texas, Florida, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, and West Viginia. I'll give you one guess as to what all those states have in common.
California ranked dead last in quality of life:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings
Enjoy your sanctuary slum.
California ranked dead last in quality of life:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings
Enjoy your sanctuary slum.
Well California does have its share of Trump supporters.
The slums of California, lol.
Stuff like this from people who are otherwise fervent nationalists has confused me for many years now. The contexts of patriotism and nationalism have gotten so extremely selective, and knowing when we are all Americans and when we aren't gets harder all the time.
As human beings are tribal by nature, group rivalry is instinctual. Red vs Blue. Black vs White. East Coast vs West Coast. Flyover Country vs The Coasts. The South vs Everyone Else. Yankees vs Red Sox.
But when we broaden it to the whole country, it seems impossible to then exclude those small rivalries from the hopes of being all one big happy apple pie. We can't do it. All we really need to do is conduct ourselves in a manner that guarantees minimal measures of order that establish a peaceful, functioning society. Past that, all bets are off, really.
It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.
However, it's absolutely astonishing that there are so many on the right that wrap themselves tightly in the flag and take it upon themselves to set the ground rules for what an American is or isn't...who then derisively and hatefully dismiss entire swaths of city and state simply because there are people who live in those places that think and live differently. Rightists fly into an apoplectic rage when people of a certain color or opinion don't stand and shut up when a two minute piece of music is played, because, after all, it's a craven insult to the country we all live in. One of those same people will then smugly and bitterly tell you that Chicago is a liberal killing field and California is a giant leftist slum. Guess they aren't standing for those places, huh?
Of course, defining what an American is or isn't is a 240-odd year old argument that isn't ending anytime soon.
In the meantime, it certainly is funny that those who tell you how much they love America will then tell you how much they hate large parts of it.
This is a major contributor to why I've come to believe that the bubbles that people have retreated into are a good thing. Left vs Right as now defined by society itself has collective merit. People do not agree and people have very different opinions and beliefs on how to live their lives...as well as beliefs and opinions on how others should and should not live their lives.
The more we stop pretending otherwise, I'm all for it.
Thanks for breaking that down. You're making sense. There's only one person here who is doing that stuff . (Not the OP, he was just ripping on CA politics, totally fair.) It's clear by now from the cookie cutter style of his provocations that he is a troll who is bored with his work
[Edited on 3/4/2018 by BrerRabbit]
I couldn't agree more Bhawk. But I also think unaddressed anger, and a willingness to fight about it, is a significant part of this. Those who feel oppressed need to fight back, and they pick a side depending on what their negative experience was. It's the choice to step into the ring to blame someone. People at peace with their lives don't have this urge. That's why I agree with you that the two sides should avoid interacting with one another in their respective bubbles - it's a way to step out of the ring and find peace in your daily life.
Nothing wrong with a good argument or differing views. Not sure retreating into bubbles is the way to go, but it is healthy to tune out people who are more interested in conflict than resolution. Or who are possibly professional trolls. Or just plain sick and toxic.
You are correct. Anyone civil should interact with one another with an attempt to learn and understand. Those who aren't - avoid.
Thanks for breaking that down. You're making sense. There's only one person here who is doing that stuff . (Not the OP, he was just ripping on CA politics, totally fair.) It's clear by now from the cookie cutter style of his provocations that he is a troll who is bored with his work
That would be someone that does not agree with your politics, racism or refusing to acknowledge the homelessness, addiction and cultural breakdown problems in California?
nevermind. No point in feeding the troll.
[Edited on 3/5/2018 by BrerRabbit]
It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.
This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.
That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.
I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.
It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.
This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.
That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.
I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.
Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.
And to your last point, it is racism.
I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.
