The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.
But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.
Pretty simple. Does that look like an employee roster of a racist? Of the 11, five are black.
I could have an all-white staff if I wanted to.
LOL. That's as laughable as the "I'm not racist because I have some black friends" line of reasoning. And for the record I'm not saying you are racist, and I don't think you are at all.
No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it. You have never said anything racist here.
No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.
In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?
Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."
Wonder why that is?
Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.
It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.
Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.
It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.
It's not a new concept. memphis, 1968:
Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.
Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.
Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.
Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.
Read it. Also read the book James Earl Ray wrote, Who Killed Martin Luther King, and the Hampton Sides book, Hellhound On His Trail. Of them all the Hampton Sides book is the most detail, fact filled, and credible account of the events.
Thanks for the leads. Will probably skip James Earl Ray's book, as I don't see how he could know much, unless he indeed was the shooter. Hellhound looks good, from summary looks like it implicates James Earl Ray. Pepper maintains Ray did not pull the trigger. Will be interesting to compare the two.
No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.
In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?
Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."
Wonder why that is?
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.
It is a racist statement, but how racist? Where on the scale does it fall? I would say on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the KKK, "All Lives Matter" would be on the bottom half, something not overtly racist, but has a racist undertone. There's no reason to say it unless you have a problem with black people stating that their lives matter. Someone on the bottom rung of the racist ladder would not have a problem hearing blacks state "black lives matter" in response to what has been happening for decades. It seems like an understandable reaction considering the videos that emerged. Some on the higher rungs seem to be bothered with it.
saw this online that makes a great point: Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.
I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it. "Black Lives matter" is a slogan to bring attention to the issue that Blacks, and other minorities, have often been treated more harshly by law enforcement than others. There is plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are more likely to be subject to abuse. The phrase does not imply that other lives don't matter. It emphasizes that Black lives matter just as much as any others, something that does not always seem to be true in practice.
The only reason the phrase "All Lives Matter" was created was to disparage the "Black Lives Matter" slogan. "All Lives Matter" was never used until the BLM movement began. It was invented to counter the BLM movement, and therefore it is a race based phrase used against a minority group. It is racist.
I understand that you don't see it that way and never will, so no need to argue about it.
The video of that black Houston motorist being arrested is upsetting
she called 911 out of fear of the police
there is no doubt that white cops have it in for black motorists -- this is plain out harrassment
the racial divide in the country in widening -- racist police fan the flames IMO -- that's where much of the trouble originates
The video of that black Houston motorist being arrested is upsetting
she called 911 out of fear of the police
there is no doubt that white cops have it in for black motorists -- this is plain out harrassment
the racial divide in the country in widening -- racist police fan the flames IMO -- that's where much of the trouble originates
Are you saying that all white cops have it in for black motorists? That is what your post says. Extrapolating isolated incidents to make a bold general statement is part of the problem.
It's just the continuousness of it all -- no not every white cop has it in for black motorists, that was unfair to say -- but when practically every day you read/see/watch examples of it --
a black congressman, I think from Maryland, said a couple weeks ago that he's been pulled over 7 times, for no reasons, each time by white police officers -- he said "not 4, not 5, not 6 but 7 times"
take that phrase out of my post -- you were right to call me on it -- and I stand by every word
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.
I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it. "Black Lives matter" is a slogan to bring attention to the issue that Blacks, and other minorities, have often been treated more harshly by law enforcement than others. There is plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are more likely to be subject to abuse. The phrase does not imply that other lives don't matter. It emphasizes that Black lives matter just as much as any others, something that does not always seem to be true in practice.
The only reason the phrase "All Lives Matter" was created was to disparage the "Black Lives Matter" slogan. "All Lives Matter" was never used until the BLM movement began. It was invented to counter the BLM movement, and therefore it is a race based phrase used against a minority group. It is racist.
I understand that you don't see it that way and never will, so no need to argue about it.
I would add that poorer whites who were dependent on factory jobs etc., attribute the loss of their jobs to affirmative action. They believe blacks are coddled by the government and that BLM is just an attempt to get more attention at their expense. It's a totally irrational belief but Trump stokes it with his challenge to political correctness. Trump is able to do this even while he now claims bad trade agreements are the real culprit for the loss of jobs. Trump likes to fan the flames even when there is no real fire.
Interesting enough the other movement of the last year that was built on challenging unjust treatment was the Donald Trump campaign. While Trump as the "law and order" candidate does not want to see BLM members challenge authority, he has no problem challenging government institutions and policies that he claims are hindering his right to be president. The election is rigged as are the debates. In fact the whole process is corrupt. Trump's rule seems to be that you have to be White or supportive of him to protest in America.
I have not taken the time to read all of the posts in this thread, and maybe someone can enlighten/educate(which I am sure will happen on the WP!! 😛 ) on the issues.
The impression I get from BLM is that the lives only matter when a white officer shoots and potentially kills someone that is black...so BLM is more about race than losing a life? Does BLM have or make a presence when there are blacks murdering blacks? To me those lives matter just as much as the other killings...I am right?
Here in the Indianapolis area it seems to have become very violent with shootings and such over the last few years. It seems like everyday we are hearing something.
Does not mater if these are black, white or whatever... senseless killings.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/03/3-days-into-august-3-shooting-deaths/87992426/
3 days into August, 4 shooting deaths
The month of August is getting off to a deadly start in Indianapolis.
Four people have been shot to death in separate incidents since August began three days ago. This continues a bloody shooting trend that began as July came to a close.
There have been nine shooting deaths in nine days, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. Kendale Adams confirmed Wednesday. Three of the fatal shootings happened on Tuesday.
Indianapolis has seen 85 homicides so far this year, compared to 72 by August 3 last year, according to Adams.
•Deontae Davis, 24, was fatally shot shortly after 8 p.m.Tuesday in the 6500 block of East 25th Street. Police arrested Jamarr Edmond, 25, for murder and resisting in connection with Davis' death.
•Officers found 27-year-old Cullen Hubbard who had been shot shortly after 11:30 p.m Tuesday in the 200 block of West 29th Street. Hubbard died at IU Health Methodist Hospital.
•Simon Wills, 34, was shot to death about 3 a.m. Tuesday in the 2900 block of North LaSalle Street. Police did not release any information about a possible suspect.
•Henry Senteayehou, 40, was found shot to death about 6 a.m. Monday in the 3700 block of North Chester Avenue. Senteayehou's girlfriend returned form an out-of-town trip and found his body just inside a door to the home they shared, police said.
•Ryan Goss, 46, was shot to death shortly after 5:15 p.m. Saturday in 5700 block of North High School Road. Police did not release information about a possible suspect.
•Devon Grice, 24, died at Eskenazi Hospital after he was shot shortly before 2 p.m. Thursday in the 1100 block of Sharon Avenue. Police have not released information about possible suspects.
•Anthony Jones, 48, was shot and killed about 3:45 p.m. Thursday in the 3000 block of West 18th Street. Police released no suspect information.
•Wesley Small, 24, and Dajuan Mitchell, 29, were shot about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday in the 1600 block of East 44th Street. Small died at the scene. Mitchell died later at Eskenazi. A woman was also critically injured in the shooting.
•Jason Byrd, 32, was shot multiple times and killed about 5 a.m. July 25 in the 4400 block of Primrose Avenue. Police released no suspect information.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter Movement
Since the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s killer in 2013 and the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, the phrase “black lives matter” has become a rallying cry for a new chapter in the long black freedom struggle. But this new movement’s penchant for disruptive protest and impassioned public speeches about persistent racial inequality have been disconcerting to many Americans who wonder what the end-game is for this new generation of protesters. Do black lives matter more than white lives? bystanders ask. Why can’t black people simply address the crime problem in their own communities? others want to know. And if the problems are really this bad, can’t voting for new political leaders solve them? sympathizers wonder. These are just some of the many questions surrounding this new movement. But the young people taking to the streets in protest have a righteous cause. They deserve a fair hearing. And we can begin by debunking a few myths about what the Black Lives Matter movement is and what it isn’t.
1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.
2. It’s a leaderless movement. The Black Lives Matter movement is a leaderfull movement. Many Americans of all races are enamored with Martin Luther King as a symbol of leadership and what real movements look like. But the Movement for Black Lives, another name for the BLM movement, recognizes many flaws with this model. First, focusing on heterosexual, cisgender black men frequently causes us not to see the significant amount of labor and thought leadership that black women provide to movements, not only in caretaking and auxiliary roles, but on the front lines of protests and in the strategy sessions that happen behind closed doors. Moreover, those old models leadership favored the old over the young, attempted to silence gay and lesbian leadership, and did not recognize the leadership possibilities of transgender people at all. Finally, a movement with a singular leader or a few visible leaders is vulnerable, because those leaders can be easily identified, harassed, and killed, as was the case with Dr. King. By having a leaderfull movement, BLM addresses many of these concerns. BLM is composed of many local leaders and many local organizations including Black Youth Project 100, the Dream Defenders, the Organization for Black Struggle, Hands Up United, Millennial Activists United, and the Black Lives Matter national network. We demonstrate through this model that the movement is bigger than any one person. And there is room for the talents, expertise, and work ethic of anyone who is committed to freedom.
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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.
I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.
Thanks.
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.
I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.
Thanks.
lol 
They know it's racist Hemp. It's just hard for them to come to grips with it.
They know it's racist Hemp.
What isn't? The list keeps getting shorter.
Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.
I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.
Thanks.
It's kind of like how supporting expanded background checks for purchasing a firearm makes you antigun and against the 2nd Amendment.
My first reaction when I saw that "Black Lives Matter" slogan, on the cover of Time, was: Duh, ya think? WTF is wrong with our country that this even still needs to be said, let alone be the cover of Time?
My first reaction when I saw that "Black Lives Matter" slogan, on the cover of Time, was: Duh, ya think? WTF is wrong with our country that this even still needs to be said, let alone be the cover of Time?
I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.
Whoops, another racist statement. My bad.
I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.
Really? Wow, nice, you must have always hung around pretty hip folks. That's nothing! Mild compared to stuff I've heard throughout my life. Mild compared to things I've said myself, back when I didn't know better. Worse I knew better but said stuff anyway. Got a John Bircher uncle used to say way worse things than that, and things you hear, here and there, growing up, visiting your folks in a small town in the South. Horrible jokes I said myself as a white youngster. Well the John Birch uncle was in Northern California, but heard plenty in the South too. And in the North too, come to think of it. Wherever white folk felt comfortable expressing their view of other races, or when the subject would come up. Like my grand-dad commenting when I was watching the basketball game "Lotta mud coming to the Northwest, don't ya think", and so on. Nicest, fairest guy you could ever know, but not a big fan of non-whites. My uncle, when there was some riot or something on the radio "Oughta tie off their tubes." His wife : "Oh honey don't say that in front of the kids!" Me: "What are tubes, Unka Dick?"
So... I figure that's a pretty normal white childhood. You sure you never heard anyone say Black Lives Don't Matter, or something like it? You must have grown up in a hippie commune- about the only place a white person could grow up and not get infected with this poison.
Of course not a word from the usual suspects about this cop killer.
tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.
tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.
Seriously dude? You can't figure out who I was taking a shot at. That a scumbag white guy shot cops and killed one and not a word from certain people on the whipping post. And you think I would be somehow taking a shot at you? Trust me, I fully support the concept of black lives matter.
I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.
Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?
I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.
Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?
He doesn't think inequality exists?
