Bad night for Bernie
His best choice is to bow out & let the party get behind Biden so there's a unified effort to oust Trump. There's nothing to be gained by another debate. Even in the remaining primaries, he's not going to force the DNC into adopting any of his planks.
Bernie was shocked in MI. He didn't realize that his big win in 2016 was due more to the vitriolic hatred of HRC than an endorsement of himself. He also had the misfortune to be opposed by a man who has polled to be "trustworthy in times of crisis." He just doesn't have that temperament; he doesn't radiate calm - something needed during a public health crisis.
Bad night for Bernie
His best choice is to bow out & let the party get behind Biden so there's a unified effort to oust Trump. There's nothing to be gained by another debate. Even in the remaining primaries, he's not going to force the DNC into adopting any of his planks.
Bernie was shocked in MI. He didn't realize that his big win in 2016 was due more to the vitriolic hatred of HRC than an endorsement of himself. He also had the misfortune to be opposed by a man who has polled to be "trustworthy in times of crisis." He just doesn't have that temperament; he doesn't radiate calm - something needed during a public health crisis.
I beg to disagree. So, Bernie had a bad night. Biden was tankin' pretty badly several weeks ago. A candidate must get 2,376 delegates to become the nominee. Neither Joe or Bernie have anywhere near that number yet.
Edit: added, "badly".
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
Bad night for Bernie
His best choice is to bow out & let the party get behind Biden so there's a unified effort to oust Trump. There's nothing to be gained by another debate. Even in the remaining primaries, he's not going to force the DNC into adopting any of his planks.
Bernie was shocked in MI. He didn't realize that his big win in 2016 was due more to the vitriolic hatred of HRC than an endorsement of himself. He also had the misfortune to be opposed by a man who has polled to be "trustworthy in times of crisis." He just doesn't have that temperament; he doesn't radiate calm - something needed during a public health crisis.
I beg to disagree. So, Bernie had a bad night. Biden was tankin' pretty badly several weeks ago. A candidate must get 2,376 delegates to become the nominee. Neither Joe or Bernie have anywhere near that number yet.
Edit: added, "badly".
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
Next week will be several more primaries. Florida, for example has a boatload of delegates (I believe close to 250). Polling by FiveThirtyEight has Biden at almost 60% and Bernie around 23%. Bernie's Cuba comments don't play well in Florida.
Illinois has 184 delegates with Biden at 53% and Bernie at 30%.
There are other state hauls, and they seem to fit a similar pattern. The math just doesn't look good for Bernie. I'm not seeing a path. There has to be quantification roadmap in order to justify staying in unless the goal is to impact platform.
The best thing that can happen is for Bernie to endorse Biden and unify to rid this country of Trump. Believe me, if Bernie had Biden's numbers, Id be saying the same thing about Joe, i.e. - let Biden endorse Bernie. The bigger play matters given the last 3 1/2 years.
Bad night for Bernie
His best choice is to bow out & let the party get behind Biden so there's a unified effort to oust Trump. There's nothing to be gained by another debate. Even in the remaining primaries, he's not going to force the DNC into adopting any of his planks.
Bernie was shocked in MI. He didn't realize that his big win in 2016 was due more to the vitriolic hatred of HRC than an endorsement of himself. He also had the misfortune to be opposed by a man who has polled to be "trustworthy in times of crisis." He just doesn't have that temperament; he doesn't radiate calm - something needed during a public health crisis.
I beg to disagree. So, Bernie had a bad night. Biden was tankin' pretty badly several weeks ago. A candidate must get 2,376 delegates to become the nominee. Neither Joe or Bernie have anywhere near that number yet.
Edit: added, "badly".
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
[Edited on 3/11/2020 by Rusty]
Next week will be several more primaries. Florida, for example has a boatload of delegates (I believe close to 250). Polling by FiveThirtyEight has Biden at almost 60% and Bernie around 23%. Bernie's Cuba comments don't play well in Florida.
Illinois has 184 delegates with Biden at 53% and Bernie at 30%.
There are other state hauls, and they seem to fit a similar pattern. The math just doesn't look good for Bernie. I'm not seeing a path. There has to be quantification roadmap in order to justify staying in unless the goal is to impact platform.
The best thing that can happen is for Bernie to endorse Biden and unify to rid this country of Trump. Believe me, if Bernie had Biden's numbers, Id be saying the same thing about Joe, i.e. - let Biden endorse Bernie. The bigger play matters given the last 3 1/2 years.
Bernie donates his support to Joe? Okay, fair enough. But let's play politics. Before this happens, Joe needs to make some concessions to Bernie and his supporters. Nothin' for nothin'!
[Edited on 3/12/2020 by Rusty]
What does a Bernie endorsement of Biden accomplish realistically?
Bernie supporters didn't get off their butts and go vote for him (their guy) So why think they'll go vote for the guy that represents the establishment.? Didn't like 10% or more of Bernie supporters vote for Trump in 2016 after he endorsed Hilary? There are less "blue no matter who" voters now than before, so the "best one to beat Trump" as main point of a platform is desperate and for those with common sense see it is all about gaining power. The legislative branch holds the keys to most of the pandering promises , it's amazing people believe that crap and scary if they don't know how it works.
I have my suspicions that something is going on in the background with the DNC? Biden is serving a purpose, what that is we will have to wait and see.
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Bernie donates his support to Joe? Okay, fair enough. But let's play politics. Before this happens, Joe needs to make some concessions to Bernie and his supporters. Nothin' for nothin'!
Why not? Warren hasn't endorsed anyone.
Bernie admits he's losing to Biden & wants to press him on some issue but isn't going to the mat as he did in 2016.
Laugh if you want, but COVID19 is changing the calculus. TRUMP is saying "anyone who wants a test can get one w/no co-pay" & at least going thru the motions of considering what staying home from work means to many. Healthcare & Colleges - 2 of Bernie's mainstays - are changing both their delivery methods & cost right now.
Epidemiologists estimate this to continue for 18-24 months - not in this acute form but at some level. Having been forced to re-think entire business models & maybe discovering cost savings, healthcare & college may be permanently changed w/o Bernie.
No one is looking to Bernie to solve the financial repercussions of a global pandemic. He's got nothing to bargain. He needs to bow out for unity.
... No one is looking to Bernie to solve the financial repercussions of a global pandemic. He's got nothing to bargain. He needs to bow out for unity.
Nothing to bargain? He might be behind in the count (at the moment) but he's got some dedicated VOTERS and supporters. Joe ain't gonna win without Bernie's supporters.
I bet he's working with the Russians and Ukraine to set up a back-channel communication, so I recommend Trump get a wiretap on them pronto. Fair is fair, right? And if Trump doesn't set up that wiretap to gather the necessary evidence, then shame on him. No way would he overlook such an obvious important step.
You can't help yourself can you?
I was talking about Biden the DNC and the Primary process specifically. Like clockwork... Trump.
Perhaps you were being sarcastic?
My .02... The candidates that dropped out day before Super Tuesday, who they endorsed, the timing of the documentary on Netflix, the "humanizing" of Bill's choices/ behaviors, neither Hillary or Obama has given an endorsement yet (Warren too), all factor into something significant happening. Of e it is speculation. A lot more interesting than Trump.
Nothing to bargain? He might be behind in the count (at the moment) but he's got some dedicated VOTERS and supporters. Joe ain't gonna win without Bernie's supporters.
Bernie isn't going to be the nominee. He's knows it. The DNC knows it. Biden knows it. Trump knows it.
Biden may not win w/o Bernie's, Warren's, and all the other candidates' supporters plus dissatisfied GOP voters. If the goal is to beat Trump - and that is presumtively what the dem mission is - then unity is required.
If Bernie's supporters decide to stay home or vote for Trump as they did in 2016, that's on them. It's not going to get them anything they want.
Nothing to bargain? He might be behind in the count (at the moment) but he's got some dedicated VOTERS and supporters. Joe ain't gonna win without Bernie's supporters.
Bernie isn't going to be the nominee. He's knows it. The DNC knows it. Biden knows it. Trump knows it.
Biden may not win w/o Bernie's, Warren's, and all the other candidates' supporters plus dissatisfied GOP voters. If the goal is to beat Trump - and that is presumtively what the dem mission is - then unity is required.
If Bernie's supporters decide to stay home or vote for Trump as they did in 2016, that's on them. It's not going to get them anything they want.
Bernie's supporters, want Bernie. He's the only one speaking to people who feel the Government needs to do waaaaaaay more to make their lives easier. Those "promises" are the only reason they are voting.
If Bernie's supporters decide to stay home or vote for Trump as they did in 2016, that's on them. It's not going to get them anything they want.
Bernie's supporters, want Bernie. He's the only one speaking to people who feel the Government needs to do waaaaaaay more to make their lives easier. Those "promises" are the only reason they are voting.
Political analysts agree - Bernie supporters are all-in or all-out. Turns out, the youth vote on whom he depends isn't turning out at the same level as 2016.
This is old news from earlier this year when it was being produced, but my wife is watching that Hillary Hulu series and I saw part of it this morning then searched for the quote online:
“Honestly, Bernie just drove me crazy,” she says in an interview early in the second episode. “He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him [in the 2016 primary]. Nobody likes him. Nobody wants to work with him. He got nothing done. He was a career politician. He did not work until he was like 41, and then he got elected to something. It was all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.”
Not that this is a revelation, Bernie really damaged her, taking shot after shot all through the primary. I don't see Bernie doing that again this cycle. Will be following the debate tonight and the fallout of Tuesday's primaries to see how Bernie is going to handle the future of his campaign.
Bernie's supporters, want Bernie. He's the only one speaking to people who feel the Government needs to do waaaaaaay more to make their lives easier. Those "promises" are the only reason they are voting.
I guess it's a popular tactic to point at folks with political views alien to your own in some sort of accusatory form. Democrats point at Republicans (or Trump supporters ) as being a bunch of right-wing, racist, gun fanatics. Republicans get hot under the collar when Democrats (or others) propose spending the PEOPLE's money on .... (gasp!) the PEOPLE!
For many of Bernie supporters it's as much about having a government that does not insist on parenting us. This is not unique to "Bernie-ites" - it's a page right out of the Libertarian manual ("keep your hands off my body!"). Joe Biden (and most Democrat POLITICIANS) do not buy into free-thinking and choosing. They owe so much of their souls to "Big Pharma" and other controlling interests.
It's not all about "legal weed". If my dear old aunt gets a few more dollars on her SSI and some assistance with expensive medical procedures ... and weed becomes legal at the same time - I just call that a bonus! 😉 By the way - TAX that weed and use those revenues accordingly. Here's a twist" get Mexico to legalize weed and they'll have a viable, cash export. Why climb a shoddy wall to pick lettuce when you can stay at home and farm cannabis? 😉
Political analysts agree - Bernie supporters are all-in or all-out. Turns out, the youth vote on whom he depends isn't turning out at the same level as 2016.
"All in or all out"! Whether it's your ball team, your job, your marriage - whatever - THAT'S the way to be!
Earlier, I proposed that if Joe wants Bernie's votes that he needs to talk turkey. You do not seem to think so.
Will I bend over and take one for the Democrats if Bernie's not the candidate? Probably begrudgingly. What about you if Bernie gets the card?
I live in a state where your vote pretty much doesn't count. We're not one of the 6 or 7 "power states" who get to whittle the card down. We (Georgia) haven't even had our primary yet. If we wanted to vote for Mayor Pete, Kloubachar, Bloomberg, Warren - any of the others - well, we're $hit out of luck! Blame me for preferring Bernie over Joe if you want, but those are the remaining choices.
For many of Bernie supporters it's as much about having a government that does not insist on parenting us.
The wealthy have too much $$ and should be taxed at a larger % so their money can help those who "need it more"
Free College
Universal Health Care $15 an hour
Sounds a lot like a larger dependence on the Government to me
"All in or all out"! Whether it's your ball team, your job, your marriage - whatever - THAT'S the way to be!
Agreed, But in this case that might also mean "We will not throw our support behind any Candidate other than Bernie"
"All-in" for Bernie.."All-out" on being a Democrat
I live in a state where your vote pretty much doesn't count.
I've an idea!...Let's just altogether eliminate all other States but the "important 7" from the process and eliminate the burden for you of having to trudge down to your local polling booth where you will no longer have to participate in the tedious hardship of filling out a ballot.
If we wanted to vote for Mayor Pete, Kloubachar, Bloomberg, Warren - any of the others - well, we're $hit out of luck!
Write in the Candidate of your choice.
Political analysts agree - Bernie supporters are all-in or all-out. Turns out, the youth vote on whom he depends isn't turning out at the same level as 2016.
"All in or all out"! Whether it's your ball team, your job, your marriage - whatever - THAT'S the way to be!
Earlier, I proposed that if Joe wants Bernie's votes that he needs to talk turkey. You do not seem to think so.
Will I bend over and take one for the Democrats if Bernie's not the candidate? Probably begrudgingly. What about you if Bernie gets the card?
I live in a state where your vote pretty much doesn't count. We're not one of the 6 or 7 "power states" who get to whittle the card down. We (Georgia) haven't even had our primary yet. If we wanted to vote for Mayor Pete, Kloubachar, Bloomberg, Warren - any of the others - well, we're $hit out of luck! Blame me for preferring Bernie over Joe if you want, but those are the remaining choices.
No one is blaming you for anything - what's w/blame all of a sudden?
I disagree that all in/all out applies to EVERYTHING in life if you have an open mind & accept change. It certainly doesn't apply to political nominations, but w/one exception when I wrote-in, I've gone w/the party nominee. Did I love Dukakis? Kerry? HRC? No & there was very little likelihood that the dem candidate was going to unseat Reagan or W Bush, but I went dem. Bernie has zero chance of being the nominee & I think the US is going to look very different by November while COVID19 is in charge. So, no, Bernie has nothing to offer Biden - he CAN'T deliver voters if they will only vote for him. It's circular thinking.
I've never discussed nominees this early on as I think it's a waste of time until the convention. Don't know why I did unless it was about the process rather than the candidates themselves; 18 months is just too long in the 21st century. I REALLY think it's a waste of time to talk about VPs & I think its offensive & short-sighted for both of them to say they're going to pick "a woman" as though they were selecting a product. They may very well want a Martian epidemiologist by July.
I think much of the populace votes for "personality" and "Projected image" with little or no understanding of actual policy, or the consequences of those policies.
And that's how this country got an apprentice for a president. Just look at how he's shown leadership during his so called hoax pandemic. And Pence was there this weekend to throw the accolades on Trump's leadership and lick his toes.
I think much of the populace votes for "personality" and "Projected image" with little or no understanding of actual policy, or the consequences of those policies.
And that's how this country got an apprentice for a president.
This is how this Country elects every President.
I think much of the populace votes for "personality" and "Projected image" with little or no understanding of actual policy, or the consequences of those policies.
And that's how this country got an apprentice for a president.
This is how this Country elects every President.
If everyone in this country actually voted it would be even more superficial. Atleast some portion of the people who do vote follow the issues and vote accordingly. Sure many vote on looks, or likability, or charisma, or whatever personality trait the like...imagine if all the other people who don't follow issues or even know who their elected officials are showed up at the polls it would be overwhelmingly a popularity contest on celebrity and looks. So maybe it is a good thing not everyone votes after all.
