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jkeller
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You really are a f*ucking idiot.

Look it up son:

Clinton was Found Guilty of Perjury in the Paula Jones Case

Problem with discussing with libs- they'll deny something- you prove it, then it's "so what."
Update: CONTEMPT OF COURT CHARGE - by Judge Susan Weber Wright holding that Bill Clinton lied in testimony in a way that was intended to obstruct the course of a legitimate court proceding, the Paula Jones case. In otherwords, Clinton lied under oath and those lies were material to the trial - the standards needed to prove perjury.

The case never went to trial and it was a civil, not a criminal case. Wrong again.

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Judge Susan Weber Wright's conviction of Bill Clinton is a matter of public record and was the basis of the impeachment proceeding against him.

Get informed junior.

There are two types of contempt. The first is disrespect to the judge and the court. The second is if the judge believes the person is not being honest about what he presented to the court. Clinton fell under the second definition. This is not a conviction of any charge as Clinton was never charged with perjury in that court. He was charged with perjury by the Senate and he was acquitted.

This is all covered in basic civics classes in grammar school. Now why don't you attack other people's education. The irony is awesome.

Jkeller is correct. Clinton was held in contempt of court but was never convicted of anything - ever. The contempt of court required a fine and temporary suspention of his law license. It is not at all the same thing as a conviction. Not only was it not a conviction, but he has no criminal record at all.

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Then why was Bill Clinton impeached by The House of Representatives and barred from practicing law before The Supreme Court?

Why did Bill Clinton need a presidential pardon?

None of this matters much. Bill and Hillary Clinton are proven liars.

He was impeached for purge and obstruction of justic. Impeached mean charges were brought against him. However, the Senate acquitted him of the charges in the actual trial.

He did not need nor did he ever recieve a presidential pardon.

He is thinking about Nixon.


 
Posted : November 8, 2015 6:40 pm
Muleman1994
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Posted : November 8, 2015 6:44 pm
Muleman1994
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Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1215894/posts


 
Posted : November 8, 2015 6:56 pm
jkeller
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That must be your motto. You practice it every day.


 
Posted : November 8, 2015 6:57 pm
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Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1215894/posts

This is too dumb to ever respond to. Somehow Politico is a partisan website that can't be trusted and then you give a link to that pile of steamy crap. I know that you only trust wacko right-wing blogs and believe everything else is somehow biased, but for everyone else with a brain in their head they can read this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp


 
Posted : November 8, 2015 7:09 pm
Muleman1994
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Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1215894/posts

This is too dumb to ever respond to. Somehow Politico is a partisan website that can't be trusted and then you give a link to that pile of steamy crap. I know that you only trust wacko right-wing blogs and believe everything else is somehow biased, but for everyone else with a brain in their head they can read this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
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What I posted are facts easily available in public records.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 6:47 am
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Posted : November 9, 2015 7:07 am
Muleman1994
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Posted : November 9, 2015 8:02 am
BillyBlastoff
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 9:06 am
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 9:20 am
Muleman1994
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

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No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 10:24 am
Muleman1994
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Posted : November 9, 2015 10:24 am
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

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No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

I responded to your post with a link to the facts. Of course you don't know what a fact is.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 10:37 am
gondicar
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

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No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 10:48 am
Muleman1994
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
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Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 11:13 am
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 11:30 am
gondicar
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
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Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Yeah, wackjobs, right.

Ok, so post a link to Carter's pardon of Clinton if it is that easy. Or maybe his arrest record? Or court transcripts? Of course I know you won't post any of it, because you can't post any of it, because none of it ever happened.

[Edited on 11/9/2015 by gondicar]


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 11:48 am
gondicar
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.

He does and he is.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 11:51 am
PhotoRon286
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.

He does and he is.

And he is consistent.

He's also a bigger troll than deano and should have been banned long ago.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 12:03 pm
Muleman1994
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.

____________________________________________________________________

You claim it does not exist yet your are too stupid to do a basic public records search.
And people wonder where the low-info voter label comes from...


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 12:13 pm
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.

____________________________________________________________________

You claim it does not exist yet your are too stupid to do a basic public records search.
And people wonder where the low-info voter label comes from...

If you expect us to believe it exists, you're going to have to find it. Come on, back up your claims if you can. Find it and I'll for once believe something you said. But you need to find an actual record, not some kind right-wing blog. But we both know you can't produce it it because it doesn't exist. I know it. You know it. Everybody here knows it. Not only are you a liar, but you're not a very good one.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 12:37 pm
gondicar
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Hey Mule? Which President pardoned Clinton?

It's pretty funny that a few responses up he said Carter did. Apparently he thinks you can be a felon without ever being convicted or even charged with anything. It is truly a bizarre and scary world that Mule lives in. I'm surprised they allow computer access in the looney bin.

__________________________________________________________________________

No, what is funny is that you are too stupid to look up actual facts.
I provided the date, the crime and the presidents name who pardoned Clinton.
It is a simple data search junior.

You provided a bullet list that is based on a myth that has been circulating since 2002. It is not based on fact, but has enough facts thrown in to make it seem true, especially to those who wish it to be true. Too bad for them, wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. One such fact is that Carter did indeed issue an executive order on 1-21-1977 granting amnesty in the form of a pardon to those convicted or suggested of violating the Military Selective Service Act. However it didn't apply to Bill Clinton because Clinton committed no such violations. No federal agents arrested him for draft evasion. No MP's came to get him for being AWOL. Carter pardoned a lot of people, but not Clinton and you can't post a link to any official record of it because it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp/blockquote >
_______________________________________________________________________

Snopes is a website for whack-jobs.

All presidential pardons are part of the public record.
Lets see if you can access actual facts.

Why would I spend time researching things that don't exist? I'm not dumb enough to waste my time on a snipe hunt. If you expect us to believe anything this stupid, then you really are a moron.

____________________________________________________________________

You claim it does not exist yet your are too stupid to do a basic public records search.
And people wonder where the low-info voter label comes from...

And yet you haven't been able to do it either. #potkettleblack


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 12:43 pm
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Mule - I can find no evidence of Clinton receiving a pardon from President Carter. I believe Carter did issue a blanket pardon to draft evaders but Clinton was never tried or convicted of a felony relating to dodging the draft so that pardon would not apply.

Both Snopes and Truth or Fiction show your claims to be a lie.

You are desperate. You should really get some mental health help. Your posts show a systematic and ever widening gap in your understanding of reality.

I really hope you don't have access to weapons.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:16 pm
Muleman1994
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Mule - I can find no evidence of Clinton receiving a pardon from President Carter. I believe Carter did issue a blanket pardon to draft evaders but Clinton was never tried or convicted of a felony relating to dodging the draft so that pardon would not apply.

Both Snopes and Truth or Fiction show your claims to be a lie.

You are desperate. You should really get some mental health help. Your posts show a systematic and ever widening gap in your understanding of reality.

I really hope you don't have access to weapons.

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Obviously you are too stupid to do basic research.
I found the information quite easily.
Why can’t you?

http://www.uscourts.gov/courtrecords/find-case-pacer

http://www.archives.gov/research/catalog/

http://theseatonpost.com/hillary-clinton-pardon-the-felonious-former-presidents/


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:30 pm
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Shut your gob hole MuleShite. You posted a portal. No proof. No nothing. You are a vile liar. Absolutely disconnected from all truth.

Imbecile!


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:33 pm
Muleman1994
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Shut your gob hole MuleShite. You posted a portal. No proof. No nothing. You are a vile liar. Absolutely disconnected from all truth.

Imbecile!

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You actually seem to believe I care what you think. trust me son, I do not.
You are too stupid to even use the tools I had to provide you.

I am done spoon feeding idiots. Do your own work.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:46 pm
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Just for kicks, I put Clinton's name in those portals, and guess what - nothing. What did you get when you put his name in Mule?

Mule once again proved himself to get the biggest liar on the internet. A bigger liar than Ben Carson, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama and Trump combined.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:49 pm
jkeller
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Shut your gob hole MuleShite. You posted a portal. No proof. No nothing. You are a vile liar. Absolutely disconnected from all truth.

Imbecile!

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You actually seem to believe I care what you think. trust me son, I do not.
You are too stupid to even use the tools I had to provide you.

I am done spoon feeding idiots. Do your own work.

You are a piece of work. Everyone here, except you, has been researching and posting links. You have done nothing but lie and make baseless claims and then double down when you get shot down. After that, you insult others education.

Get help before you injure yourself.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 2:53 pm
Muleman1994
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Shut your gob hole MuleShite. You posted a portal. No proof. No nothing. You are a vile liar. Absolutely disconnected from all truth.

Imbecile!

_________________________________________________________________________

You actually seem to believe I care what you think. trust me son, I do not.
You are too stupid to even use the tools I had to provide you.

I am done spoon feeding idiots. Do your own work.

You are a piece of work. Everyone here, except you, has been researching and posting links. You have done nothing but lie and make baseless claims and then double down when you get shot down. After that, you insult others education.

Get help before you injure yourself.

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The fact that you are too stupid to do your own research, even when given all the data and links you need merely shows your lack of skills.

To continue to feed people too incompetent or lazy is a waste of time.

You have earned your low-info voter label. Wear it well.


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 4:15 pm
DougMacKenzie
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Has anyone seen my sandwich?


 
Posted : November 9, 2015 4:25 pm
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