Does this mean no answers to questions?
If I thought it would be productive, or if I saw any relevance, I'd answer them, but since we're so far off, no point in moving forward.
Why do you think we are so far off? Everything I have asked you has been relevant to the discussion.
Of course this could be just you deciding that the discussion isn't going your way and want to quit and act like you won since the facts seem to get in the way of your agenda.
Let me ask this one question and see if you can answer it.
"Do you think that it was ok for former senator Yee to keep firearms out of the hands of civilians while he was negotiating with a Chinese Tong to illegally bring in actual machine guns, rocket launchers, and RPGs for criminals to use and/or sell on the actual Black Market?"
That was a doozie alright
A politician lobbying/legislating for gun control at work
& after hours, supplying gangs w/automatic weapons
That to me is mental illness - a Dr Jeckyl-Mr Hyde type - at the very least a big time identity problem on the part of this elected official
Of course this could be just you deciding that the discussion isn't going your way and want to quit and act like you won since the facts seem to get in the way of your agenda.
Pretty much. Since the Democratic answer for most things is "More laws/Legislation" if you choose not to agree.....then there is no point in continuing.
Pretty much. Since the Democratic answer for most things is "More laws/Legislation" if you choose not to agree.....then there is no point in continuing.
If you don’t like it, move to another country.
Well, if you don't like us owning firearms, you could move, to North Korea where nobody owns a firearm.
Tried to throw in a little Henny Youngman delay in there
You still haven't answered any of the questions I put forth.
I guess you're going to keep coming back with non relevant one liners as your contribution to the discussion.
But, if that's the way you put forth your opinion, keep at it.
Pretty much. Since the Democratic answer for most things is "More laws/Legislation" if you choose not to agree.....then there is no point in continuing.
If you don’t like it, move to another country.
Think I'll stay and take every opportunity to vote my conscience. You know what's great?
You can do the same
This goes both ways. I have asked for the “mental health” solutions on many of these threads and have yet to see a single suggestion from the people who say the problem is not guns.
Why should a someone with mental illness or a domestic abuser be allowed to inherit or buy a weapon from a family member, even if they live miles from a dealer who can run a legit background check?
Also, the “one bad apple” example about a politician pushing gun control is pretty weak in defense of having everyone everywhere carrying guns.
Why should a someone with mental illness or a domestic abuser be allowed to inherit or buy a weapon from a family member
How do you stop this?
This goes both ways. I have asked for the “mental health” solutions on many of these threads and have yet to see a single suggestion from the people who say the problem is not guns.
Why should a someone with mental illness or a domestic abuser be allowed to inherit or buy a weapon from a family member, even if they live miles from a dealer who can run a legit background check?
Also, the “one bad apple” example about a politician pushing gun control is pretty weak in defense of having everyone everywhere carrying guns.
A person with a domestic abuse conviction is prohibited from owning, purchasing, or be in possession of a firearm. I'm pretty sure that the family would know about any charges or mental health issues within their group and find other ways to pass on the firearm.
Who said that the posts about Leland Yee was about everyone carrying firearms? it was about the issue of how some people that are fervently opposed to civilians owning firearms are actually working behind the scenes to help criminals get firearms that civilians cannot legally own without background checks to hold an FFL class III license.
The post is available for everyone to read. You can go back and check it if you want and see it doesn't say anything about arming everyone.
BoytonBrother used to push the mental health issue about having gun purchasers undergo a mental health test before they could get a permit to purchase, just like the ones given to police officers.
It was pointed out that there are quite a few bad police officers across the country and it seems that they weren't picked out as "bad apples" by the tests.
Would you suggest that we have every high school kid be subjected to mental health testing before they get a learners permit? I think they could use some testing before they take a large heavy machine out on the streets. Do you agree?
If not, where would you start doing your mandatory testing to find all those "millions" of mentally ill you refer to?
Note: Leland Yee was not the first, nor will he be the last one to be a "law and order" anti-gunner that had criminal dealings going in the background.
Anytime I see a politico fervently pushing "gun control", I think back about Leland Yee and his unabashed support for getting firearms out of the hands of the general public.
https://huffpost.com/entry/leland-yee-gun-trafficing_n_5038152I also think about how Nancy Pelosi has a concealed carry permit when few in her district can't get one.
Anytime I see someone fervently pushing the idea that there are already too many obstacles and laws in the way of anybody getting their hands on a gun, I think back about Las Vegas, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Dayton, El Paso, Midland, Aurora, Columbine, Charleston, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, Chattanooga, Virginia Beach, San Bernadino... and the other 40,000 annual firearm deaths in this country annually.
Myself, i think all adult age citizens should own a pistol, rifle, and shotgun.
You want ALL adults to own three guns. The guy who follows the little league umpire to his car to cuss him out should have three guns. The guy who cuts people off in the grocery store parking lot to get the front parking spot should have three guns. The guy who has not been convicted of anything yet, but is currently stalking his ex-girlfriend should have three guns. The guy who gets kicked out of the bar every weekend should have three guns.
How about this one, Jerry? My wife’s cousin is about 32 years old. He did two tours in Iraq, and then six years with a Blackwater-type private security company in Iraq. He is back home and working as a police officer in Ohio. Two years ago, he was home from Iraq and all of his siblings took him out to the bars. He ended up beating the crap out of his younger sister. The family would not let her report him because he “has had too much to deal with” and told her she should not have pissed him off. His uncle told me that he owns about 30 guns. His wife was going to leave him to get their two young daughters away from him about nine months ago, but now has decided to stay.
Does this sound like a situation where the family can be trusted to do what is safe, and gun ownership is a patriotic endeavor? Obviously, he has no convictions because his sister was coerced to not file a report.
Tough tough situation, feel for your wife, hopefully it works out for her cousin - not to stick my nose in it, but he should’ve been arrested for the attack on his sister - maybe he was provoked but still no excuse for that
Not a school, but The Big Easy has has some shoot em ups of late
Overall tho mass shootings seem to be subsiding from the epidemic levels of a few months ago - it will never cease completely but minimizing them, letting gun criminals know they face the strongest most exacting punishment for their crimes, is the right trend/a good start
[Edited on 12/2/2019 by Stephen]
It seems incredibly disrespectful towards the firearm itself, to let the reckless irresponsible fools of our country to purchase such a powerful weapon. Shouldn't we want people to have to work for this a little? Maybe put a little bit of effort into showing you can handle one first? If your only requirement is a clean record, then you aren't really holding the object in the highest regard. I respect guns, so I think only the competent should be able to have one. And if you bust your butt everyday, despite having sh*tty parents, to overcome their shortcomings, work hard, and support your loved ones, then why would you offer the same benefits to someone who never put any effort into any of those things?
Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....
"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?
”How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS”
IMO, with the harshest most unyielding penalties the law would allow
Trigger fingers would get a lot less itchy if first time offenders were looking at jail time/2nd time offenders, mandatory life sentence........the punishment would have to fit the crimeJust finished reading an account of the memorial service for the 10 year old boy killed by crossfire in a gang gunfight at a HS football game last month in NJ - hundreds attended - can be found online
Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....
"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?
Ilk? It ain't my fault you are working class, so don't take it out on me. Second, criminals are not legally allowed to purchase, as Jerry has pointed out several times...pay attention.
How do we keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?.."Purchasing"...has NEVER been the issue here, Acquisition is.
Solutions?
I didn't think so
You might want to look up the definition of "Ilk"..before you go all snowflake on me.
How do we keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?.."Purchasing"...has NEVER been the issue here, Acquisition is.
Solutions?
I didn't think so
You might want to look up the definition of "Ilk"..before you go all snowflake on me.
Purchasinig might not be the issue for you maybe, but our mass shooters tend to purchase their guns legally, which is an issue for many Americans whether you like it or not. My posts are about purchasing laws, in response to Jerry's post that all adults should own. If you want to discuss how to stop the black market, something that has existed worldwide for thousands of years, then I suggest you start a thread about it.
"I predict the next school shooting will be in"
Unless I am mistaken, this is the title of this thread and nowhere is there any allusion to guns being "purchased legally"..
"Purchasing" vs. "Acquisition"
Citizens can "Purchase" legally. Criminals "acquire"....
which is an issue for many Americans whether you like it or not
Once again, my "issue" has everything to do with the Left's knee-jerk reaction that more Laws are the answer for everything....."Mass shootings" disgust and alarm me as much if not more than anyone.
but our mass shooters tend to purchase their guns legally
Evidence? And if this is the case, does this not give stock to the thought that Mental Illness is at the forefront?
Why let these undiagnosed mentally ill folks purchase legally?
Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.
Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....
"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?
You are correct, an ilk other than your ilk has failed to address that question. What is YOUR ilk's answer to the question?
Has any ilk addressed the question? Maybe instead of going all snowflake on us all the time you could put some thought into how your ilk has succeeded in answering the question where another ilk has failed.
Instead of constantly finding fault with others try coming up with constructive ideas of your own for a change.
Then you could help the other ilk learn from your ilk.
You seem to be somewhat preoccupied with the word "Ilk" ...Perhaps you might be able to use it in the same sentence as "Concentration Camp"....
That would be cool
remembers one little thing forever.
People who live in glass houses
Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.
Perfect. In order to put them on the list, we must somehow identify the undiagnosed mentally ill. How? It would take new legislation to screen for them during reformed purchasing procedures. How about federal mandates to expand the application process to include an in-person screening? Purchase whatever you want upon passing. I would imagine that an in-person screening process would be able to detect the red flags that indicate a ticking time bomb. Wouldn't have to be anything thorough, just some basic questions to get a feel for the customer.
________________________________________________________________________________________Who would form the committee to set the guidelines? Who would do the pre-purchase check? What would happen to the person who doesn't pass the "test"? There are different types of mental illness, many of which are treatable. What about those persons? Just how political would the program become when it's at the mercy of elected officials?
To add someone to the NICS database as one of the "un-diagnosed" mentally ill and barred from purchasing firearms you have to have them adjudged, meaning found by a court of law to be mentally unsound.
They would have to be found either mentally insane or mentally incompetent.
Here's the thing about that. They could never go into contracts, get a drivers license, probably would never be able to get a decent job, basically, their lives would be ruined.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is all our ilk would ever want.
________________________________________________________________________________________No, it won't be. It would be another one of many steps the anti-gunners have worked at to disarm citizens.
Every time a scheme like this has come up the armed citizens are told, "See, you compromised here, why won't you compromise with this. It's not like we're going to take away all your guns, just these few."For over 50 years I've watched this happen over and over. Don't fall for it again.
________________________________________________________________________________________Even you and I can agree it would be best not to legally sell guns to people who are mentally unstable, but the Republicans in Washington won't stand up to the NRA.
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There it is, the dreaded NRA boogeyman. Did you know that the ACLU, not the NRA, is trying to get the "mentally ill" question off the Form 4473? The ACLU claims that the mentally ill have gun rights, just like anybody else and should be allowed to purchase firearms. The NRA has been pushing the government about mental illness and firearm purchases since 1966. The NRA supported legislation to have the records of those judged mentally incompetent or insane added to the NICS background checks.
Legislation backed by the NRA was enacted in 1968 to deny firearms purchases to those who have been "adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution".Tell me again about how the NRA is such a bad group.
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Anytime I see a politico fervently pushing "gun control", I think back about Leland Yee and his unabashed support for getting firearms out of the hands of the general public.
https://huffpost.com/entry/leland-yee-gun-trafficing_n_5038152I also think about how Nancy Pelosi has a concealed carry permit when few in her district can't get one.
Anytime I see someone fervently pushing the idea that there are already too many obstacles and laws in the way of anybody getting their hands on a gun,
I don't know where you have seen that since I haven't seen anyone on this thread mention "too many obstacles" anywhere.
Military bases can be as deadly as schools
The one in Pensacola (4 dead others wounded) might be terrorism-related they’re saying as the shooter was a Saudi aviation student
Earlier this week, a similar incident at Pearl Harbor
Seems to hardly be news anymore - the shooting involving a UPS truck at a Fla. intersection leaving 4 dead, including a nearby motorist, is atrocious
As always, it’s the people not the guns doing the damage - it’s up to people to control guns, not vice versa
[Edited on 12/6/2019 by Stephen]
it’s the people not the guns doing the damage
Boom!
Military bases can be as deadly as schools
The one in Pensacola (4 dead others wounded) might be terrorism-related they’re saying as the shooter was a Saudi aviation student
Earlier this week, a similar incident at Pearl HarborSeems to hardly be news anymore - the shooting involving a UPS truck at a Fla. intersection leaving 4 dead, including a nearby motorist, is atrocious
As always, it’s the people not the guns doing the damage - it’s up to people to control guns, not vice versa[Edited on 12/6/2019 by Stephen]
It gets worse Stephen because the shooter is from Saudi Arabia, and a military man. He was here for training per middle eastern news sources. He is dead now.
"The suspect used a handgun in the shooting, which took place over two floors in a classroom building at a base whose main function is training, officials said.
"Walking through the crime scene was like being on the set of a movie," Sheriff David Morgan said.
The first reports of an "active shooter" on the base came through to the Escambia County sheriff's office at about 6:51am, officials said.
A few minutes later, a sheriff's deputy fatally shot the attacker in a classroom on the base, Morgan added.
The Pensacola base, which is near Florida's border with Alabama, is a major training site for the Navy and home to its aerobatic flight demonstration squadron, the Blue Angels. The base employs about 16,000 military and 7,400 civilian personnel, according to the base's website.
"In recent weeks, 18 naval aviators and two aircrew members from the Royal Saudi Naval Forces were training with the US Navy, including a stint at Pensacola, according to a November 15 press release from the Navy. It was not clear if the suspected shooter was part of that delegation.
The delegation came under a Navy programme that offers training to US allies, known as the Naval Education and Training Security Assistance Field Activity.
A person familiar with the programme said that Saudi Air Force officers selected for military training in the US are intensely vetted by both countries.
The Saudi personnel are "hand-picked" by their military and often come from elite families, the person said, speaking to Reuters News Agency on condition of anonymity because they did not have permission to speak to a reporter. Trainees must speak excellent English, the person said."
[Edited on 12/6/2019 by gina]
The post on Pensacola may require MORE. I was going to make a cheap remark about well at least they weren't training to put any planes into any buildings but sadly there is additional info. linking the former WTC attack hijackers to THIS naval facility AND people who go to this Naval Facility are fully vetted before being allowed to come, so the post additional stuff on the shooting will be moved to Terrorism updates.
Personally I feel more at ease among unarmed people than I do around folks packing heat.
WHAT? You feel you wouldn't be safe around me?
Who can watch this video and honestly say she deserves the right to own?
https://www.wbtv.com/2019/12/10/watch-manager-catches-baby-falling-headfirst-off-utah-store-counter/
Depends on how child services sees the situation. She will always have the RIGHT to purchase and own until/if she gets charged with a felony.
Now, did you mean to ask if we think she shouldn't own a firearm, that would be different.
PS: Good job Bill!!!
Malls in Atlanta, San Antonio, OKC - Winston-Salem N.C., Westerly RI - they’ve all had gun violence & fatalities recently - hell even a sub-human being used her car to intentionally run over a 14 year old girl in Iowa because she thought the girl was Mexican
So people don’t just use guns to kill - ask Catrina Costello - she deserves general population - in A Male Prison - for what she did
even a sub-human being used her car to intentionally run over a 14 year old girl in Iowa because she thought the girl was Mexican
/quote]It’s just one of the faults in the system of justice
Knowing this slimeball is an avowed racist, they still put her back on the streets after she ran over that girl b/c, she later said herself, the girl was Mexican - she spewed out racist trash to the cops as she was being arrested, article said, & the girl was hospitalized for 2 daysThis SKUNK has now been charged with a second hit and run in which a 12 year old boy was injured, also DUI 2nd
Yet the county prosecutor is saying a hate crime doesn’t apply in her case
So she gets another citation to appear in court
& goes back to her mudhole>booze>car keys & the next attack
People like that belong in jail, Period[Edited on 12/24/2019 by Stephen]
Hopefully someone in that Iowa town won’t have to die before this individual is put away
That’s what happened earlier tho year in NH
Oh they put her away alright (45 years to life)
But not before she killed her elderly neighbors & their dog by intentionally running them over as they were out walking
This after years of unprovoked criminal harassment of this couple, to the point where they’d sold their house & were planning to move
Cops/neighbors knew about her, restraining orders were issued yadadada
Did nothing
Terribly discouraging to see the legal system fail so bad in cases like this
[Edited on 12/24/2019 by Stephen]
