Another minor who is also a Student. So sad.

But it's NOT a Mental Heath issue...

You have made this point endlessly. What are the mental health solutions that you or your right-wing heroes have ready to go that will do anything to fix this epidemic?

Right wing heroes, left wing liberals, moderates, BLAH - has nothing to do with it
There’s no answer/solution to gun violence
Would also hesitate to call it an epidemic, they happen occasionally, not often IMO - one of these are one too many, of course there have been several
All the ensuing discussion will have been posted many times before (see POTUS thread)

Another minor who is also a Student. So sad.

But it's NOT a Mental Heath issue...

You have made this point endlessly. What are the mental health solutions that you or your right-wing heroes have ready to go that will do anything to fix this epidemic?

What do I think?

Horrific parenting

I am right there with ya BV but that is a cause not a solution. Try this, BETTER (as in not liberal) parenting.

Now I must edit. Even liberal parenting is better than horrific parenting. Knee Jerk reaction for me to assume there is not much difference. But that is my flaw.

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I am guessing that some laws dealing with horrible parenting are not utilized any more effectively than some of the laws regarding gun ownership and background checks.

Horrific parenting

What do you know about parenting?

I Know a Little.

I am right there with ya BV but that is a cause not a solution. Try this, BETTER (as in not liberal) parenting.

Now I must edit. Even liberal parenting is better than horrific parenting. Knee Jerk reaction for me to assume there is not much difference. But that is my flaw.

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My wife and I are liberal. One daughter, 16. 3.8 GPA, choir, varsity cheer, rep theatre, National Honor Society. Works 20 hours a week, works on homework as many or more hours a week. Career goal is Medical Lab Scientist.

You and the rest of the perfect conservatives and perfect conservative parents can GFY, pal.

One recalls the 1979 shooting at a California elementary school (2 dead 9 injured) by a 16 yr old teenager, Brenda Spencer - when asked why she did it, she said, “I don’t like Mondays”

How do you craft legislation to anticipate someThing, or keep guns out of the hands of someOne, like that
Never any easier to read about this stuff

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I Know a Little.

Was asking BigV - you strike me as a parent type. I have noticed "liberal dads" tend to help out more with the dirty work, more equality and respect between men and women in general.

I am right there with ya BV but that is a cause not a solution. Try this, BETTER (as in not liberal) parenting.

Now I must edit. Even liberal parenting is better than horrific parenting. Knee Jerk reaction for me to assume there is not much difference. But that is my flaw.

Let me make myself perfectly clear. I have in no way insinuated that one type of Parent is better than the other, Liberal, Conservative or Libertarian...But someone should be held responsible here, how about a new direction?..Let's start holding the Parents responsible for the actions of their Minor children.....

Shooter was the son of an alcoholic father who had recently committed suicide.

Definitely liberal parenting. There’s no conservative alcoholics and conservatives don’t commit suicide.

Have we heard from any congenital idiot gun nuts and/or the NRA crowing something like "See!?!?!....Strict regulations would not have stopped this!?!?!?!?!"

Have we heard from any congenital idiot gun nuts and/or the NRA crowing something like "See!?!?!....Strict regulations would not have stopped this!?!?!?!?!"

I think a better question is "What drives a Juvenile to act in this manner"?

Until we figure that out, you can ban all the guns you want while the mental Health issue remains...

More reporting has come in, the shooter’s father didn’t commit suicide, but was an alcoholic. All signs still point to liberal parenting.

Its looking like its another kid who didn't fit in at a random school in a random US town seemingly committing some random act. There are kids like this in every school. there should be more of a focus for some alternative methods to get through/engage kids like these. We cant change their home situation but there should be some outlet when they are at school.

There are numerous things for disenfranchised kids to do at school, like athletics, drama, music, others - My jr high school had Community Sing, where they played music w/the words projected onto a screen for a full assembly of kids to sing along with - but just stuff like shop (woodworking), glee club (choir).....
It was the kid’s 16th birthday
His attempt at suicide failed
Grotesque - very depressing

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Have we heard from any congenital idiot gun nuts and/or the NRA crowing something like "See!?!?!....Strict regulations would not have stopped this!?!?!?!?!"

I think a better question is "What drives a Juvenile to act in this manner"?

Until we figure that out, you can ban all the guns you want while the mental Health issue remains...

"Until we figure that out, you can ban all the guns you want while the mental Health issue remains..."...how about we ban all guns for say, ten to fifteen years, as we work to eradicate those acmental health issues....Meanwhile, you can just confine yourself to,playing video games til you lose your mind or shoot yourself with a gun you bought at a show (sic)-----sound good there Gaylord?

how about we ban all guns for say, ten to fifteen years, as we work to eradicate those acmental health issues....

Not ever going to happen

Some friends of ours go to school at Saugus High. Fortunately, they don't have a first period class so they were on there way there when the shooting happened. They returned home and are safe. Right now, that's all the matters to me and my family.

Can’t help seeing the similarities
Two 16 year old California kids shoot up their schools, one an elementary school in San Diego, the other a high school in Santa Clarita,
each leaving two dead, a handful wounded & onlookers/witnesses shaken to the core by what they saw
& separated by almost 41 years
bookending many other such incidents
each time, spurring renewed calls for stricter laws to prevent such tragedies from ever happening again

We can’t ever become so jaded as to become blasé about & indifferent to these scenes - one recalls Mississippi as depicted in the lyrics “Where they smile & shrug their shoulder at the murder of a man”
But we must also be realistic - it’ll happen again w/loved ones lost - glad your friends were spared StratDal

What do I think?

Horrific parenting

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So, are you saying that people in every other modern industrialized country are incredibly better parents than parents in the USA? What makes Canadian parents so much better?

Right wing heroes, left wing liberals, moderates, BLAH - has nothing to do with it
There’s no answer/solution to gun violence
Would also hesitate to call it an epidemic, they happen occasionally, not often IMO - one of these are one too many, of course there have been several
All the ensuing discussion will have been posted many times before (see POTUS thread)

https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-america-sandy-hook-gun-violence

This is a great graphic that Vox keeps current about mass shootings. I know some have a problem with Vox's perceived liberal slant, but it is worth a look. They use 4 people shot in the same incident as their definition - nobody has to die. They also do not exclude gang-related shootings as some other researchers do.

When I first looked at the calendar on this study a few months ago, there had only been one Sunday through Saturday calendar week in the USA since the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012 without a mass shooting. Many weeks or even single days have multiple incidents.

My opinion is that it qualifies as an epidemic or, at the very least, something that deserves to not just be shrugged off.

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Mental Illness - we’ll never know, he’s in the hospital w/a self inflicted shattered skull
Horrific Parenting - unsure about where the Canadian vs US parenting angle comes in - it might yet come out that he was raised in an abusive environment, triggering his rampage - or mayb bullied at school
The words Republican & Democrat don’t belong here - neither do temporary insanity, it’s no different from a temper tantrum & would’ve been no defense against what the kid did

Good post indeed Skydog32103 - less a part of the problem, the frustration I feel in saying nothing can be done about gun violence is that, That Very Thing You Mentioned - let’s brainstorm & figure out a plan right away - has been done so many times before - yet the carnage continues
As you said, as long as there are guns in every home, & easily purchased from stores.....there will be more such tragedies - that is how I see it as well

Thanks for the graphic adhill58 - gosh just a quick look at it shows how widespread gun violence is - certainly a lot more so than what I thought

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Mental Illness - we’ll never know, he’s in the hospital w/a self inflicted shattered skull
Horrific Parenting - unsure about where the Canadian vs US parenting angle comes in - it might yet come out that he was raised in an abusive environment, triggering his rampage - or mayb bullied at school
The words Republican & Democrat don’t belong here - neither do temporary insanity, it’s no different from a temper tantrum & would’ve been no defense against what the kid did

The question about parents in Canada was because they don't have a sliver of a fraction of the number of mass shootings that we have here. If horrific parenting is the main contributor to mass shootings, Canadian parents must be astonishingly better at parenting than parents in the USA.

Mayb that could be a start - whether it’s superior parenting, realistic attainable gun control measures we haven’t thought of or enacted here, or how they might approach mental illness etc.....
......Open lines of communication w/Canada, investigating if we could model our approach after theirs in hopes of lessening mass shootings here

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I am right there with ya BV but that is a cause not a solution. Try this, BETTER (as in not liberal) parenting.

Now I must edit. Even liberal parenting is better than horrific parenting. Knee Jerk reaction for me to assume there is not much difference. But that is my flaw.

[Edited on 11/14/2019 by KCJimmy]

My wife and I are liberal. One daughter, 16. 3.8 GPA, choir, varsity cheer, rep theatre, National Honor Society. Works 20 hours a week, works on homework as many or more hours a week. Career goal is Medical Lab Scientist.

You and the rest of the perfect conservatives and perfect conservative parents can GFY, pal.

GOOD JOB! and right back at bro.

I Know a Little.

Was asking BigV - you strike me as a parent type. I have noticed "liberal dads" tend to help out more with the dirty work, more equality and respect between men and women in general.

I am a parent but not as good as BHAWK. I do dishes & laundry if that's what you mean. I even make coffee on occasion. Tried making Cofevet once but couldn't spell it right and didn't have a proper tweeter machine.

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Unfortunately, sometimes it takes the people to revolt for politicians to listen and act, and if both sides can come together with an honest effort to create a plan of action, then we can reverse this trend.

It has nothing to do with a "Plan of action" or a "trend" and the only "Revolution" that will avail itself is the Parent seeking help for the Son or Daughter who is exhibiting behaviors that require an opinion from a Mental health professional. Tough call?......I can only imagine. Otherwise give us one valid reason a minor would have for turning a weapon of any kind on his fellow classmates.