Interesting that conservatives ignore the thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Bush's FUBAR wars. There would be no ISIS if we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the region so now civilians are being slaughtered and killed as collateral damage. Oh well, they are not Americans so who cares right?
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well.
Typical Alloak, can't dispute what someone posts so he resorts to snarky comments.
I believe in giving credit when credit is due Alloak and Bush gets all the credit for the two wars that created the current Middle East FUBAR.
The Middle East was a picture of tranquility until Bush ruined the whole thing. Right?
The Middle East has been FUBAR since before Bush was in diapers. Probably always will be.
Wrong. There were strong leaders in Middle East countries that basically kept the peace. Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate and the status quo remained. Even when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the rest of the world hit back and freed Kuwait. Bush the First had enough sense to realize that Sadaam could be controlled and eliminating him would create a void that would end in chaos. Bush the Second did not inherit his father's common sense.
So looking back at history, you would generally consider the Middle East a tranquil region?
Where did I say that? You are really good at misinterpreting and twisting what others say. That's why talking to you is a complete waste of time.
You're response was "Wrong." Perhaps your definition of "wrong" is different than everybody else.
You said the Middle East was FUBAR. It wasn't then. It may be now. You were wrong. Again.
There is a world of difference between Fubar and tranquil. It isn't black and white like you seem to think everything is. It must suck to be so simple.
Interesting that conservatives ignore the thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Bush's FUBAR wars. There would be no ISIS if we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the region so now civilians are being slaughtered and killed as collateral damage. Oh well, they are not Americans so who cares right?
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well.
Typical Alloak, can't dispute what someone posts so he resorts to snarky comments.
I believe in giving credit when credit is due Alloak and Bush gets all the credit for the two wars that created the current Middle East FUBAR.
The Middle East was a picture of tranquility until Bush ruined the whole thing. Right?
The Middle East has been FUBAR since before Bush was in diapers. Probably always will be.
Wrong. There were strong leaders in Middle East countries that basically kept the peace. Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate and the status quo remained. Even when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the rest of the world hit back and freed Kuwait. Bush the First had enough sense to realize that Sadaam could be controlled and eliminating him would create a void that would end in chaos. Bush the Second did not inherit his father's common sense.
So looking back at history, you would generally consider the Middle East a tranquil region?
Where did I say that? You are really good at misinterpreting and twisting what others say. That's why talking to you is a complete waste of time.
You're response was "Wrong." Perhaps your definition of "wrong" is different than everybody else.
You said the Middle East was FUBAR. It wasn't then. It may be now. You were wrong. Again.
There is a world of difference between Fubar and tranquil. It isn't black and white like you seem to think everything is. It must suck to be so simple.
If talking to me is such a waste of time then quit wasting it. You have wasted far too much already.
Interesting that conservatives ignore the thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Bush's FUBAR wars. There would be no ISIS if we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the region so now civilians are being slaughtered and killed as collateral damage. Oh well, they are not Americans so who cares right?
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well.
Typical Alloak, can't dispute what someone posts so he resorts to snarky comments.
I believe in giving credit when credit is due Alloak and Bush gets all the credit for the two wars that created the current Middle East FUBAR.
The Middle East was a picture of tranquility until Bush ruined the whole thing. Right?
The Middle East has been FUBAR since before Bush was in diapers. Probably always will be.
Wrong. There were strong leaders in Middle East countries that basically kept the peace. Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate and the status quo remained. Even when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the rest of the world hit back and freed Kuwait. Bush the First had enough sense to realize that Sadaam could be controlled and eliminating him would create a void that would end in chaos. Bush the Second did not inherit his father's common sense.
So looking back at history, you would generally consider the Middle East a tranquil region?
Where did I say that? You are really good at misinterpreting and twisting what others say. That's why talking to you is a complete waste of time.
You're response was "Wrong." Perhaps your definition of "wrong" is different than everybody else.
You said the Middle East was FUBAR. It wasn't then. It may be now. You were wrong. Again.
There is a world of difference between Fubar and tranquil. It isn't black and white like you seem to think everything is. It must suck to be so simple.
If talking to me is such a waste of time then quit wasting it. You have wasted far too much already.
No, it is fun to watch you make a fool out of yourself. 😛
Unable to defend Obama’s illegal immigration order and Obama’s complicity in the murders by illegals he ordered released, graham and keller head off to the middle east and are lost in the desert.
Unable to defend Obama’s illegal immigration order and Obama’s complicity in the murders by illegals he ordered released, graham and keller head off to the middle east and are lost in the desert.
Typical Mule response. First insult the poster to try deflect from your lack of knowledge and then when you are proven wrong ignore the posters response and throw out more insults.
My job is done here so I will go back to ignoring your rants. 😉
This thread is a hoot!
Interesting that conservatives ignore the thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Bush's FUBAR wars. There would be no ISIS if we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the region so now civilians are being slaughtered and killed as collateral damage. Oh well, they are not Americans so who cares right?
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well.
Typical Alloak, can't dispute what someone posts so he resorts to snarky comments.
I believe in giving credit when credit is due Alloak and Bush gets all the credit for the two wars that created the current Middle East FUBAR.
The Middle East was a picture of tranquility until Bush ruined the whole thing. Right?
The Middle East has been FUBAR since before Bush was in diapers. Probably always will be.
Wrong. There were strong leaders in Middle East countries that basically kept the peace. Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate and the status quo remained. Even when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the rest of the world hit back and freed Kuwait. Bush the First had enough sense to realize that Sadaam could be controlled and eliminating him would create a void that would end in chaos. Bush the Second did not inherit his father's common sense.
So looking back at history, you would generally consider the Middle East a tranquil region?
Where did I say that? You are really good at misinterpreting and twisting what others say. That's why talking to you is a complete waste of time.
You're response was "Wrong." Perhaps your definition of "wrong" is different than everybody else.
You said the Middle East was FUBAR. It wasn't then. It may be now. You were wrong. Again.
There is a world of difference between Fubar and tranquil. It isn't black and white like you seem to think everything is. It must suck to be so simple.
You never said what exactly youthink was "wrong" in jkeller's response, care to elaborate?
This thread is a hoot!
That's one word for it...:P
Interesting that conservatives ignore the thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of Bush's FUBAR wars. There would be no ISIS if we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the region so now civilians are being slaughtered and killed as collateral damage. Oh well, they are not Americans so who cares right?
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well.
Typical Alloak, can't dispute what someone posts so he resorts to snarky comments.
I believe in giving credit when credit is due Alloak and Bush gets all the credit for the two wars that created the current Middle East FUBAR.
The Middle East was a picture of tranquility until Bush ruined the whole thing. Right?
The Middle East has been FUBAR since before Bush was in diapers. Probably always will be.
Wrong. There were strong leaders in Middle East countries that basically kept the peace. Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate and the status quo remained. Even when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the rest of the world hit back and freed Kuwait. Bush the First had enough sense to realize that Sadaam could be controlled and eliminating him would create a void that would end in chaos. Bush the Second did not inherit his father's common sense.
So looking back at history, you would generally consider the Middle East a tranquil region?
Where did I say that? You are really good at misinterpreting and twisting what others say. That's why talking to you is a complete waste of time.
You're response was "Wrong." Perhaps your definition of "wrong" is different than everybody else.
You said the Middle East was FUBAR. It wasn't then. It may be now. You were wrong. Again.
There is a world of difference between Fubar and tranquil. It isn't black and white like you seem to think everything is. It must suck to be so simple.
You never said what exactly youthink was "wrong" in jkeller's response, care to elaborate?
Nothing much to elaborate on. You got it backwards. He said I was wrong. Shocking, I know.
Unable to defend Obama’s illegal immigration order and Obama’s complicity in the murders by illegals he ordered released, graham and keller head off to the middle east and are lost in the desert.
Typical Mule response. First insult the poster to try deflect from your lack of knowledge and then when you are proven wrong ignore the posters response and throw out more insults.
My job is done here so I will go back to ignoring your rants. 😉
___________________________________________________________________
1.) Insult?
a. I have yet to see your defense of Obama’s illegal immigration order and Obama’s complicity in the murders by illegals he ordered released
2.) Deflect?
a. The deflection was yours when you went off to the middle east in a thread that has nothing to do with the middle east.
3.) proven wrong?
a. My statements are factual and you have proven nothing.
And people wonder why there is such political polarity? The liberals are living in a fact void and are incapable of crafting a cognoscente argument. They have a hard enough time staying on topic.
Being a low information voter is a sad way to go through life son.
Another American citizen raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant criminal set free by Obama:
Suspect of alleged sexual assault in country illegally, police say
Additional charges being considered, press conference scheduled for Friday
August 04, 2015 9:23 am • Kyle Harding kharding@leecentralcoastnews.com
Attempted murder and sexual assault suspect arraigned
A Santa Maria man accused of attacking a 64-year-old woman with a hammer and sexually assaulting her pleaded not guilty to attempted murder, f… Read more
Woman attacked in home invasion, sexual assault dies
The 64-year-old woman who was the victim of a sexual and physical assault in her Santa Maria home July 24 died Saturday at Marian Regional Med… Read more
Second suspect arrested in assault of 64-year-old woman
A second suspect in a July 24 home invasion assault of a Santa Maria woman who later died was arrested Tuesday, and questions continue to be r… Read more
A man accused of attacking and sexually assaulting a 64-year-old woman, who later died, is in the country illegally, according to Santa Maria Police Chief Ralph Martin.
Marilyn Pharis died Saturday eight days after she was attacked with a hammer and sexually assaulted in her Santa Maria home, and authorities are weighing whether her alleged assailant, already charged with attempted murder, will face additional charges.
The day before she died, Victor Aureliano Martinez Ramirez, a 29-year-old undocumented immigrant, pleaded not guilty to attempted murder, first-degree burglary with person present, assault with intent to commit rape, sexual penetration by foreign object and resisting a peace officer.
He is also facing a variety of special allegations, including use of a deadly weapon in a sex offense, causing great bodily injury in a sex offense, assault with a deadly weapon on an elderly person and a violent crime against a vulnerable victim.
Pharis was severely injured in the attack at her home in the 900 block of North Dejoy Street on the morning of July 24. She was being treated at Marian Regional Medical Center when she died.
Ramirez was arrested after Pharis called police to report the attack. Police said he was found nearby in another home he had broken into in the 1000 block of West Donovan Road.
Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Karapetian said she is unable to comment yet on when or if the complaint against him will be amended to include a murder charge.
Martin said Tuesday afternoon that he had confirmed Ramirez's immigration status with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Ramirez had been arrested four times in the past by SMPD for minor crimes, most recently in May of 2014, Martin said. At the time of his arrest, he was on probation, which he is charged with violating.
Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Kelly Hoover said that an autopsy will be performed on Pharis on Thursday morning.
Martin said that the Police Department and the District Attorney will hold a joint press conference at 1 p.m. Friday.
"We have a good idea of where we're at, but we want medical confirmation," he said.
Ramirez is due in court again Aug. 13 for a preliminary hearing setting. He was assisted by a Spanish interpreter at his last appearance.
Ramirez is represented by Deputy Public Defender Lori Pedego, who asked last week that her client be seen by mental health staff in County Jail.
Obama Dreamer Who Raped And Killed 64-Year-Old Woman Had Been Arrested Four Times But Never Deported
https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/tag/marilyn-pharis/
[Edited on 8/6/2015 by Muleman1994]
We already know everything is Bush's fault. Kind of goes without saying at this point. However, it's weird that Iraq destabilized five years after he was gone. Oh well
You sure have become tiresome, pedestrian and lame. You realize you are posting your "woe is me", "it's never the Democrats fault" pig $hit in a thread that completely blames democrats.
Awww, poor Obama getting blamed for something on a band website thread. Who sees that besides about 20 people? No, when I say that I'm talking about people with a real platform that is seen or heard by millions. I'm talking about, elected officials, cabinet level officials, OBAMA, ect. It's never even questioned by the media.
These types continuously lay the blame at the feet of the GOP for ANYTHING that ever goes wrong. Constantly! Tornadoes, train derailments, diseases.....Doesn't that get tiresome, pedestrian and lame? It's almost reached the point of being comical.
Awww, poor Obama getting blamed for something on a band website thread. Who sees that besides about 20 people?
Odd response. Why even log in and post, then?
These types continuously lay the blame at the feet of the GOP for ANYTHING that ever goes wrong. Constantly! Tornadoes, train derailments, diseases.....Doesn't that get tiresome, pedestrian and lame? It's almost reached the point of being comical.
So, then, the inherent hypocrisy of a strict two-party political system? If that is getting to you that badly then maybe you should take a break. The GOP and conservative media has never assigned blame to anyone else, ever? That's what is so important...that the blame scale is out of balance?
"These types"...what does that even mean? You and millions of others have no issue and no one preventing you and your types for blaming anything on anyone.
You don't like that those types don't blame who you think should be blamed? Well, kindred spirits are just a channel flip, radio dial or mouse click away...
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is entitled to his own opinions, not his own facts, to paraphrase Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Mr. Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, gets a lot wrong in his comments about immigration and Mexico. There is no evidence that Mexican officials are dispatching criminals across a porous border, and immigrants don’t commit more crimes, studies show.
Yet even some of his critics give him credit for tapping into something real: what they see as the perils of President Obama’s lax approach to immigration, generally, and enforcement along the Mexican border in particular.
“We need to secure the border,” says Carly Fiorina, another presidential contender.
This, too, is misleading.
“The border is more secure than it has been in years,” says Marc Rosenblum of the Migration Policy Institute, an independent research organization that collects and analyzes immigration data. Consider:
•Net migration from Mexico is negative, many experts say; more people are returning to Mexico than are illegally crossing the border into the United States.
•There are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, down from more than 12 million in 2007. The downward trend began in the final year of the George W. Bush administration.
•More undocumented immigrants have been deported under Mr. Obama than under any other president. This number is down now, because of complaints from pro-immigration groups that the policy was too zealous and because of the president’s administrative actions exempting millions from deportation.
•Spending on immigration enforcement exceeded $18 billion last year, almost twice as much as a decade earlier. The United States spends more money on controlling the border than on all other federal criminal law enforcement efforts combined.
• Apprehensions, a good guide to crossings, are down considerably along the frontier with Mexico, according to the Border Patrol. Independent studies by Princeton University and the University of California, San Diego, buttress this notion. “Apprehensions of Mexicans are lower than any time since 1970,” says Jeffrey Passel, a senior demographer at the Pew Research Center.
• Most people seeking illegal entry to the United States enlist smugglers to make the journey. The average fee has soared to more than $3,000, a 50 percent increase compared with a decade ago, reflecting the increased difficulty of the crossing, analysts say.
These numbers are no secret. Yet they rarely enter the public debate.
Democrats often avoid the issue, and Republicans sound the alarm about a huge crisis on the border.
The situation certainly isn’t perfect. The Border Patrol estimates that the United States has about 80 percent security. Some critics demand 100 percent.
That’s an unrealistic goal, Michael Chertoff, secretary of homeland security under Mr. Bush, recently said at a conference, adding that such a demand would be unnecessary from a budgetary and efficiency perspective.
The Berlin Wall, fortified with trigger-happy armed guards, had about a 95 percent secure control. The Mexican border is 1,900 miles long; the Berlin Wall was 96 miles.
There are other causes for the changes, including economic conditions in the United States and Central America and a much lower fertility rate in Mexico. But analysts credit tougher and better border enforcement and pressure on the Mexican government as important factors in the improvement.
One way to get better than 80 percent security would be to pass the 2013 bipartisan immigration bill, which cleared the Senate and stalled in the House. Along with a pathway to citizenship for undocumented workers, it placed huge emphasis on border enforcement, authorizing an additional $46 billion to double the number of agents and investing billions in the most high-tech surveillance detection.
But among the Republican presidential candidates, Chris Christie, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio have flipped on their support for the bill — citing the pathway issue — and Jeb Bush has waffled. Only Lindsey Graham supports this measure that would further stem illegal entries. It’s easier politics to rail against the invading Mexican bandits.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/us/politics/facing-the-facts-on-illegal-immigration.html
Awww, poor Obama getting blamed for something on a band website thread. Who sees that besides about 20 people?
Odd response. Why even log in and post, then?
For fun.
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is entitled to his own opinions, not his own facts, to paraphrase Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Mr. Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, gets a lot wrong in his comments about immigration and Mexico. There is no evidence that Mexican officials are dispatching criminals across a porous border, and immigrants don’t commit more crimes, studies show.
Yet even some of his critics give him credit for tapping into something real: what they see as the perils of President Obama’s lax approach to immigration, generally, and enforcement along the Mexican border in particular.
“We need to secure the border,” says Carly Fiorina, another presidential contender.
This, too, is misleading.
“The border is more secure than it has been in years,” says Marc Rosenblum of the Migration Policy Institute, an independent research organization that collects and analyzes immigration data. Consider:
•Net migration from Mexico is negative, many experts say; more people are returning to Mexico than are illegally crossing the border into the United States.
•There are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, down from more than 12 million in 2007. The downward trend began in the final year of the George W. Bush administration.
•More undocumented immigrants have been deported under Mr. Obama than under any other president. This number is down now, because of complaints from pro-immigration groups that the policy was too zealous and because of the president’s administrative actions exempting millions from deportation.
•Spending on immigration enforcement exceeded $18 billion last year, almost twice as much as a decade earlier. The United States spends more money on controlling the border than on all other federal criminal law enforcement efforts combined.
• Apprehensions, a good guide to crossings, are down considerably along the frontier with Mexico, according to the Border Patrol. Independent studies by Princeton University and the University of California, San Diego, buttress this notion. “Apprehensions of Mexicans are lower than any time since 1970,” says Jeffrey Passel, a senior demographer at the Pew Research Center.
• Most people seeking illegal entry to the United States enlist smugglers to make the journey. The average fee has soared to more than $3,000, a 50 percent increase compared with a decade ago, reflecting the increased difficulty of the crossing, analysts say.
These numbers are no secret. Yet they rarely enter the public debate.
Democrats often avoid the issue, and Republicans sound the alarm about a huge crisis on the border.
The situation certainly isn’t perfect. The Border Patrol estimates that the United States has about 80 percent security. Some critics demand 100 percent.
That’s an unrealistic goal, Michael Chertoff, secretary of homeland security under Mr. Bush, recently said at a conference, adding that such a demand would be unnecessary from a budgetary and efficiency perspective.
The Berlin Wall, fortified with trigger-happy armed guards, had about a 95 percent secure control. The Mexican border is 1,900 miles long; the Berlin Wall was 96 miles.
There are other causes for the changes, including economic conditions in the United States and Central America and a much lower fertility rate in Mexico. But analysts credit tougher and better border enforcement and pressure on the Mexican government as important factors in the improvement.
One way to get better than 80 percent security would be to pass the 2013 bipartisan immigration bill, which cleared the Senate and stalled in the House. Along with a pathway to citizenship for undocumented workers, it placed huge emphasis on border enforcement, authorizing an additional $46 billion to double the number of agents and investing billions in the most high-tech surveillance detection.
But among the Republican presidential candidates, Chris Christie, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio have flipped on their support for the bill — citing the pathway issue — and Jeb Bush has waffled. Only Lindsey Graham supports this measure that would further stem illegal entries. It’s easier politics to rail against the invading Mexican bandits.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/us/politics/facing-the-facts-on-illegal-immigration.html/blockquote >
________________________________________________________________________Heaping a garbage argument upon this thread changes not anything.
Walls and Republicans have nothing to do with the issue. You posted an opinion piece that is full of lies and liberal spin. The sad part is that you probably don’t even know it.The topic of this thread, since it has eluded you, is the rapes, felonious assaults and murders of American citizens by illegal immigrant criminals released into our communities by Obama and the sanctuary cities (all run by liberals) that Obama fully supports.
Why is it that your type couldn’t care less about the life of these American citizens?
Is your allegiance to Obama more important to you than human life?
After weeks of The White House blaming local law enforcement:
Police chief blames immigration, crime policies in murder of California woman
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
Updated 12:35 PM ET, Mon August 10, 2015
Story highlights
• Federal agency says it wasn't notified local police released would-be accused killer
• DA says crimes carry possible death sentences, but it's too early to say if she'll pursue
• Men accused of killed Marilyn Pharis had records; one suspect is undocumented immigrant
(CNN)
When a woman died after an undocumented immigrant and another man allegedly sexually assaulted her and beat her with a hammer, a police chief wasted little time blaming the executive offices of California and the United States.
"I think it starts in Washington, D.C., with this administration that we see and their policies. I think you can draw a direct line over to Sacramento with the policies of, I'm going to say, this governor and the Legislature," Santa Maria Police Chief Ralph Martin told reporters. "And I am not remiss to say that from Washington, D.C., to Sacramento, there's a blood trail into the bedroom of Marilyn Pharis."
Pharis was sleeping at her home just before 10 a.m. on July 24 when Victor Aureliano Martinez, 29, and Jose Fernando Villagomez, 20, allegedly broke into her home and assaulted her, Santa Maria police said in a news release.
The victim, who worked for the Air Force as a civilian contractor, called police and when officers arrived, dogs led them to a nearby home where they found Martinez, who had allegedly broken into the home in an attempt to evade police, the statement said. Martinez, who was in the country illegally, according to Martin, was arrested without incident and charged with attempted murder, sexual assault and residential burglary, it said.
Villagomez was arrested five days later -- on a probation violation -- and he was charged August 4 in the attack on Pharis, according to police.
Pharis, 64, died in the hospital August 1. Her family said she was "much loved," while her employer -- the Air Force's 50th Space Wing -- called her death a "tragic loss" in a statement from the commander.
Arrested weeks prior
Public defender Lori Pedego's office was closed Sunday, and she couldn't be immediately reached for comment. But last month, Martinez had pleaded not guilty to attempted murder, first-degree burglary with person present, assault with intent to commit rape, sexual penetration by foreign object and resisting a peace officer, according to the Santa Maria Times.
Following Pharis' death -- which family members told CNN affiliate KEYT resulted from a coronary embolism -- police upgraded the charges to first-degree murder for both men, with the special circumstances of burglary, mayhem and rape, KEYT reported. Martinez faced an additional special circumstance of torture, the station said.
"These charges carry the possibility of the death penalty or life without possibility of parole," Santa Barbara County District Attorney Joyce Dudley told reporters, saying she did not yet know which sentence she would pursue.
Police say Martinez has had numerous run-ins with the law, including an incident shortly before the attack on Pharis.
"Two weeks before this murder, Santa Maria police officers arrested him for possession of meth, and you know what we had to do? We had to cite him out. That's the problem with this system. This is not just in Santa Maria. This is all over the state of California and all over the United States," Martin said.
The chief singled out California's Assembly Bill 109 -- an effort to comply with the U.S. Supreme Court's mandate to reduce the prison populations in state prisons -- and Prop 47, which makes most nonviolent drug and property crimes misdemeanors, as the reasons that Martinez was able to commit the crimes of which he's accused.
No immigration requests?
Martin said although Martinez -- originally from the state of Durango, Mexico -- was in the United States illegally and even though he'd been booked in Santa Barbara County at least four times since 2009, local police received no formal requests from federal immigration authorities.
The county first booked Martinez on November 19, 2009, for driving without a valid license. He was released 19 days later, police said.
He was picked up again on May 22, 2014, initially for felony drug and sexual assault charges, police said. The assault charge was later modified to misdemeanor battery. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement filed an "immigration detainer -- notice of action," but the sheriff's office determined the request did not meet its "immigration detention requirements," police said. Martinez posted bail and was released June 4.
And during the methamphetamine arrest Martin referenced, Martinez was arrested July 17 on charges of possessing drug paraphernalia and felony possession of a "concealed dirk or dagger." The paraphernalia charge was dismissed, and Martinez pleaded no contest to the weapons charge and the 2014 drug charge.
Though the weapons charge earned him 30 days in jail, which would have begun October 31, Martinez was ordered released on July 20, five days before Pharis was attacked, police said. He was supposed to return to court August 24.
In a statement, ICE said it lodged an immigration detainer on Martinez after the May 2014 incident and asked that ICE "be notified prior to Mr. Martinez's release to enable the agency to take custody to pursue possible administrative immigration enforcement action. Available records indicate that Mr. Martinez was released by local authorities a week later without ICE receiving the requested notification."
The agency did not issue a detainer after his most recent arrest because there were no deportations or felony convictions in his case history, its statement said.
Villagomez, who was born in San Francisco, had been arrested at least twice before he was charged in Pharis' killing. In May, he was charged with misdemeanor drug use and battery, the latter of which was dropped. He pleaded no contest to misdemeanor use/under the influence of a controlled substance, received probation and was released June 17, police said. He was picked up again July 29 on an unspecified probation violation.
Police: 'Remedy this conflict'
In a statement accompanying the timeline of Martinez's and Villagomez's arrests and releases, the sheriff's office said that in response to questions about the suspects' incarceration histories and immigration statuses, it was releasing the suspects' data to set the record straight.
State law, the statement said, dictates when police can detain someone based on a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainer request, while a federal court has ruled that placing someone in custody based only on an ICE detainer request may leave a local law enforcement outlet liable for violating that person's constitutional rights.
"Based upon the constraints created by the above noted laws, it is the policy of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office, that DHS/ICE must obtain a court order or arrest warrant signed by a Federal judge or magistrate, before we will continue to maintain custody of an individual who does not have local charges that require the individual to be held in our custody," the statement said
It continued, "The impact of these two laws causes a significant legal and moral conflict for California Sheriffs when handling ICE immigration detainer requests. It is imperative that the Federal government work to remedy this conflict and provide clear guidance to California Sheriffs."
Santa Barbara authorities have received a detainer request for Martinez, but no court order signed by a federal judge, police said in a statement.
ICE said it "is monitoring the case closely and has lodged a formal request with the custodial law enforcement agency seeking notification in advance of his release or transfer from local custody."
In order to deport someone, that person must have committed a "crime of moral turpitude," must have multiple criminal convictions or must be guilty of an aggravated felony, according to federal law.
U.S. immigration policy relating to criminals came under new scrutiny when Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, a felon who had been deported to Mexico five times, was accused of killing Kate Steinle of San Francisco on July 1. Lopez-Sanchez has pleaded not guilty to murder and weapons charges and is being held on $5 million bail.
CNN's Vivian Kuo and Carma Hassan contributed to this report.
