Nevermind. Like I said, it will sort itself out. Enjoy the 14th century!
Nevermind. Like I said, it will sort itself out. Enjoy the 14th century!
Yo BR, what's up? Enjoy your posts. Enjoy a few others too, BIGV, cyclone, good stuff. Touchy thread indeed. Was wondering, what you mean by "it will sort itself out". Seems rather ambiguous.
True, it could be considered murder. I just think that anyone who believes in abortion needs to be honest with what is happening. A life is being ended.
I am also fine with capital punishment and think it needs expanded, not eliminated as some states are doing - but that is the choice of the voters and representatives of those states.
I also believe in medically assisted suicide for those with terminal conditions that are competent to make such a decision for themselves. Obviously an unborn baby in the mother's womb does not control such a decision, but that is the fact that the court has ruled it is the mother's option and right for the procedure. If it all changed tomorrow, well, that is fine too. I would rather it not change, but if it did there are a couple dozen other things effecting our nation as a whole that are more important.
[Edited on 5/22/2019 by nebish]
Making it a felony or putting women or doctor's in prison doesn't seem the way to handle it. Women should not have to go to back alley people, that's horrible too. The women need to realize that they have choices, one is birth control, that should be available and paid for by insurance companies, adoption needs to be available to them also if they cannot deal with raising the child and there needs to be paid time off if the woman is expected to carry the child full term and then give the child into adoption.
Gloria Allred told a horrible account of what happened to her.
Women’s rights attorney Gloria Allred told a gathering in New York City on Tuesday that she nearly bled to death from an illegal abortion in the 1960s after she was raped at gunpoint while on vacation in Mexico. She explained that she didn't realize she was pregnant until she returned to the U.S., where abortion was still illegal in most states.
Allred said that when she began hemorrhaging during the procedure, the person performing the abortion told her it was “your problem now."
“The only time a hospital would admit a woman like me was if she was bleeding to death from an abortion," Allred said. "The nurse told me, ‘This should teach you a lesson.'
There are many issues and sides to this problem. It does not need to be criminalized, if a Doctor and hospital want to perform them, and the women want them, that probably should be between the woman and her doctor. It should not be used as a convenience and the financial greed needs to be taken out of it. Set a low fee that is affordable for the women to pay, or if they cannot pay it, the hospital can write it off. Do not have the insurance companies profiteering off it. If there were better alternatives available, the women might not feel that is their only option.
There is no comprehensive safe adoption system in this country. There are desperate infertile couples, there are greedy baby brokers who will sell it to someone and make a big profit. The states and communities should set up programs to help the women, and foster care is worse than taking an animal to the pound. That's the system we have now. That needs to be changed.
[Edited on 5/25/2019 by gina]
ACLU and Planned Parenthood filed lawsuits today, Friday against the ruling passed in Alabama.
I would never serve in todays military,seeing that approximately half the people you'd be fighting or defending would be republicans and they certainly are not worthy.
A hotel owner decided to do something for the women from southern states who want an abortion but cannot get one in their home states. Give them a free hotel stay, and transportation to and from the place where they will get an abortion.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yale-hotel-michigan-abortion_n_5cfd0675e4b02ee347789213
So Shelley O'Brien, manager of The Yale Hotel in the tiny Michigan town of Yale, made an offer to anyone traveling out of their state for the procedure: Come to Michigan and stay at her hotel for free.
"Dear sisters that live in Alabama, Ohio, Georgia, Arkansas, Missouri, or any of the other states that follow with similar laws restricting access, We cannot do anything about the way you are being treated in your home-state," the post reads.
"But, if you can make it to Michigan, we will support you with several nights lodging, and transportation to and from your appointment," the post reads.
It was a bold stance for the mother of three to take in her largely conservative town that's home to fewer than 2,000 people. But O'Brien said she felt it was important.
"Women should have autonomy over their own bodies," she said. "If we do not have control over our own bodies, then this is not a free world."
The debate goes on.
[Edited on 6/10/2019 by gina]
And this man wants to pay for the abortions for any women who need them.
"And in the wake of all this news, one unsuspecting ally has come forward: the founder and CEO of SeekingArrangement, Brandon Wade. SeekingArrangement is a popular (and controversial) site that describes itself as connecting "Sugar Babies" to "Sugar Daddies or Mommas" in order to create "mutually beneficial relationships."
Wade said he learned that these types of laws are designed to hurt "the weakest and the poorest" among us. "If lawmakers will not step in and help these desperate women, then I will," he said. "Although Alabama’s law has yet to take effect, I’m working proactively with Zoe to launch a charity, Fight Against Poverty, so that when any state makes the decision to deny women the right to make choices about her body, we can help. We will provide women and families, who cannot afford to provide for themselves, travel out of their home state to access proper healthcare and to exercise their right, their choice."
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt.
Absolutely spot on.
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.
Nobody should be forcing anything on anybody, but there are many issues involved.
1) Should the govt. and or insurance companies pay for the procedures?
2) Should there be criminal penalties levied on the Doctors and/or women who get them?
3) Is it right to force a woman to carry a child she does not want and has no way to take care of?
4) Would it lead to the govt. instituting eugenics on poor women or just denying them funds for the procedure?
5) Should states just take care of it themselves without any Supreme Court intervention like the Roe v Wade legislation, what role should the federal govt. have in it?
The Reproductive Health Act states that “a fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus does not have independent rights under the laws of this state” and that an individual has a “fundamental right” to abortion.
“If you believe in standing up for women’s fundamental rights, Illinois is a beacon of hope in the heart of this nation,” Pritzker said before signing the law. “We trust women.”
The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”
The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.
The Thomas More Society, a Chicago-based pro-life law firm, accused the state of “legalizing the death penalty, with no possibility of appeal, for viable unborn preemies” in passing the law. The group’s vice president, Peter Breen, a former Illinois representative, called the bill “the most radical sweeping pro-abortion measure in America” and said it “makes Illinois an abortion destination for the country.”
Remarks: The way the Governor of Illinois wrote the legislation, that the egg, embryo, or fetus does not have INDEPENDENT rights under the legislation in the state of Illinois, means that it is not a separate entity entitled to any Constitutional right because it is part of the Mother and the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.” He includes ALL factors of the Mother's health including emotional, psychological. It seems like he pretty much covers all the bases, whereas others who drafted legislation focused on abortion only if the Mother's life/health was in jeopardy. He is not separating the physical health of the woman from the rest of her.
It will continue to be an issue of contention and dissention. Medical issues are best decided between a patient and their Doctor rather than an insurance review board. In any case I do not think anyone should be charged with felonies for performing or getting an abortion; but women need to know there are alternatives, and adoption gives the child a chance to have a life that would otherwise be snuffed out. She should not be shamed for feeling 'I cannot deal with this', two people can make a mistake, accidents happen, but the child should have a chance to live if communities can provide the services for this.
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.
What do you mean by Medicaid expansion? California recently passed legislation to provide Medicaid for undocumented people, ie. those crossing our borders illegally, who want to stay and live here. They will receive Medicaid, and free education in California, even though they are not citizens. The non-citizenship becomes a techicality, and it is nice being called 'undocumented' than an illegal alien, which sounds like someone from outer space.
With the insurance crisis in our country, should we be providing undocumented citizens with medical care beyond the vaccinations/immunizations necessary at border crossings? What is our responsibility in this regard?
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.
What do you mean by Medicaid expansion? California recently passed legislation to provide Medicaid for undocumented people, ie. those crossing our borders illegally, who want to stay and live here. They will receive Medicaid, and free education in California, even though they are not citizens. The non-citizenship becomes a techicality, and it is nice being called 'undocumented' than an illegal alien, which sounds like someone from outer space.
With the insurance crisis in our country, should we be providing undocumented citizens with medical care beyond the vaccinations/immunizations necessary at border crossings? What is our responsibility in this regard?
Medicaid expansion - You list one of fifty states as an example. That's statistically significant? Why don't you expand the discussion into states who have shut down expansion or are attempting to not expand.
Your paragraph 2 - Who is talking about undocumented citizens? Oh...it's you. The original post never mentioned nor implied that.
Never seen or heard of a woman,or a man,with 2 heart's,8 leg's,8 arm's,4 eye's,4 ear's,2 brain's etc.So get off the lame ass cop out line of it's a woman's body and her choice!You can smother,cover,dice & pepper it as much as you want with Bernie sprinkle's,and it still come's down to 2 body's.Seem's the only folk i hear bitchin about banning abortion,are the one's that their mother's chose not to abort their ass.
the only folk i hear bitchin about banning abortion,are the one's that their mother's chose not to abort their ass.
Why then it cant be all bad if it stop's folk bitchin about banning abortion since their mother's abort their ass.
Rabbit Briar, how bout sendzen me a 12 pk of dat morphine sulfate & a slaba dat black tar.I sho would like ta be able to decifer dat line ya just ripped down man.
All BS aside.Hoping ya made it thru them dark cloud's bro.And that hide gig got nipped at the bud.You know what I'm talkin bout when i say hide i know.All the best brother man +++
[Edited on 6/19/2019 by LUKE]
Best backatcha skywalker. Doing better now thanks.
I would never serve in todays military,seeing that approximately half the people you'd be fighting or defending would be republicans and they certainly are not worthy.
So you wouldn't fight to protect Dems?
Getting weirder by the day - Alabama woman charged with manslaughter when she had a miscarriage after getting shot.
Crazy story. Sounds like she started a fight with another woman. That woman shot her and they say it was self defense making it the "Mom to be"s fault. I never said Alabama was perfect. 😉
Getting weirder by the day - Alabama woman charged with manslaughter when she had a miscarriage after getting shot.
Alabama - where Roy Moore will run for senate again and boost the cause. Is he still banned from shopping malls?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/20/roy-moore-will-run-for-senate-again-1374056
