I haven't been following closely, but this trial goes to the jury today or soon.
The defense says there is no hard evidence, no motive as to why Hernandez would have wanted this guy dead.
This from an article I just read:
Prosecutors said Hernandez and two friends drove to Boston to pick up Lloyd at his home, then drove him to the industrial park in North Attleborough and killed him. Surveillance video along the way showed Hernandez driving a rented silver Nissan Altima shortly before Lloyd’s sister saw him get into a silver car. Soon after, a toll booth camera caught the Nissan leaving Boston. Lloyd’s phone pinged several cell towers before stopping in North Attleborough for good.
Surveillance video at Hernandez’s home minutes after the shooting showed him holding a black item that appeared to be a gun. A joint found near Lloyd’s body had Hernandez’s and Lloyd’s DNA on it.
Well if Aaron doesn't go down in this trial, he likely will in a separate murder that he is accused of which occurred before this one. What I read on-line recently is that a guy who still carries a bullet in his head courtesy of Hernandez is just itching to testify for the prosecution in that case.
From everything I've read, Hernandez is an ultra-arrogant gangster who thought he was above the law. He actually told a cop who pulled him over once, "It's OK officer. I'm Aaron Hernandez."
I hope he rots his life away in a cell somewhere. I've run into gang-banging ultra macho assh*les just like him in bars before. That's why I'm really careful what places I go into now.
Hey, I don't have any inside information so really it's just my opinion. But I have read quite a bit about the trial and about Hernandez' past.
[Edited on 4/7/2015 by robslob]
if I was on the jury I'd have a tough time putting his finger on the trigger.
that said, I think he's as guilty as the day is long.
I believe he is guilty. Between the other murder charge, and the evidence the prosecutors collected for this case, he seems guilty of the murder.....whether he pulled the trigger or not is almost impossible to prove I guess but it surely looks like he was an accomplice at the very least, which is still very serious.
TV crew nearly causes mistrial:
Even if acquitted, Hernandez is still in deep, DEEP doo-doo:
[Edited on 4/9/2015 by robslob]
Bye Bye Aaron.
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
Second high profile guilty verdict to come out of Boston in the last week or so. No death penalty in Mass (marathon bomber is a federal case) so his sentence of life in prison is pretty much a given. And he still faces a trial for two other murders and a host of other charges as well. Enjoy the rest of your life, scumbag.
Jury convicts Aaron Hernandez of first-degree murder
Posted by Mike Florio on April 15, 2015, 10:34 AM EDT
The first Aaron Hernandez murder case has made the next Aaron Hernandez murder case largely moot.
A jury in Bristol County, Massachusetts has convicted the former Patriots tight end on all counts, including most importantly the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd. The jury also found that the killing occurred with “extreme atrocity or cruelty,” but not with premeditation.
The verdict means Hernandez will spend the rest of his life in prison, without the possibility of parole.
Hernandez has appeal rights, which surely will be pursued aggressively. Until then Hernandez will remain in custody, and the case involving allegations that Hernandez killed Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado in July 2012 will proceed.
The verdict came after 135 witnesses, 439 exhibits, and more than a week of deliberations.
Hernandez had no obvious reaction to the verdict, but there was an audible gasp from those seated in the courtroom, with Hernandez’s mother and fiancée sobbing throughout the rest of the proceedings. As Judge E. Susan Garsh thanked the jury for their service, a law-enforcement officer applied handcuffs and shackles to Hernandez, who seemed to be on the edge of a breaking down.
Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace will be separately tried for their role in the killing. In closing arguments, lawyer James Sultan suggested that Hernandez merely witnessed a murder committed by one of the other two men.
Rot in a cell, you arrogant gangbanging poor excuse for a professional athlete. Now you can stand trial for the other two innocent victims that you are accused of executing, you piece of sh*t. And then there's the other guy who will testify that you shot him in the face and left him for dead........the guy who was your "buddy". The only reason he's alive is that someone happened upon him while he was lying there mortally wounded. SO glad you're getting what was coming to you. Your "Ho" fiancé should be going to jail as well.............she threw away a box which likely contained the murder weapon, but testified she didn't know what it was and couldn't remember where she threw it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aaron-hernandez-found-guilty-of-first-degree-murder-173924220.html
[Edited on 4/15/2015 by robslob]
I really do not care.
What a shame... such a young guy, fortune and fame, and it's all gone because he saw one too many gangster movies.
Looking at it in hindsight, his legal defense team made some moves I would question as a layman, such as never detailing a motive and placing him at the scene. Maybe these were too high of hurdles to overcome, but an outcome of life in prison when one has access to a top notch legal defense team is horrible. I wonder if he was offered a plea deal early one that he was advised to reject.
Now he will be imersed in the gang culture and lifestyle he craved so much and I wonder if it has sunk in yet that his life is now completely over.
Based on news reports I read about the trial the evidence certainly point to him being involved but I am surprised they found him guilty without a murder weapon, solid motive and proof he pulled the trigger.
That being said my gut tells me he most likely did it.
Sad. This young man was given an undeniable gift and talent that could have given him an easy life. He squandered it. Bad choices in associates and lifestyle. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.
Based on news reports I read about the trial the evidence certainly point to him being involved but I am surprised they found him guilty without a murder weapon, solid motive and proof he pulled the trigger.
That being said my gut tells me he most likely did it.
I don't know, the mountain of evidence as I understand it makes this seem like a more or less open and shut case to me. And under Mass law, they didn't have to prove he actually pulled the trigger as long as they could show he was there and participated on some level (that said, I have no doubt he pulled the trigger).
Not that it matters much now, the case against him is even stronger for the other two murders he is charged with.
If I was accused of something I didn't do, there is no way in hell I would listen to my lawyers to not take the stand and scream from the mountains that I didn't commit the crime. To me, that speaks volumes. Doesn't make a person guilty but I would not sit by idly while accusations are being made that are not true.
Just my take. I think he was culpable on some level at the very least. What about the other guys?
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
Based on news reports I read about the trial the evidence certainly point to him being involved but I am surprised they found him guilty without a murder weapon, solid motive and proof he pulled the trigger.
That being said my gut tells me he most likely did it.
I don't know, the mountain of evidence as I understand it makes this seem like a more or less open and shut case to me. And under Mass law, they didn't have to prove he actually pulled the trigger as long as they could show he was there and participated on some level (that said, I have no doubt he pulled the trigger).
Not that it matters much now, the case against him is even stronger for the other two murders he is charged with.
I am only going by what I read in the Boston papers and on ESPN and have not followed the case that closely so they must have had pretty conclusive evidence as it seems the jury did not take that long to render a verdict.
Not knowing the law it just seemed to me that there was no direct proof he did it although there seemed to be plenty of compelling circumstantial evidence to show that he did.
Personally I think he did it so now he reaps what he sowed.
Based on news reports I read about the trial the evidence certainly point to him being involved but I am surprised they found him guilty without a murder weapon, solid motive and proof he pulled the trigger.
That being said my gut tells me he most likely did it.
I don't know, the mountain of evidence as I understand it makes this seem like a more or less open and shut case to me. And under Mass law, they didn't have to prove he actually pulled the trigger as long as they could show he was there and participated on some level (that said, I have no doubt he pulled the trigger).
Not that it matters much now, the case against him is even stronger for the other two murders he is charged with.
I am only going by what I read in the Boston papers and on ESPN and have not followed the case that closely so they must have had pretty conclusive evidence as it seems the jury did not take that long to render a verdict.
Not knowing the law it just seemed to me that there was no direct proof he did it although there seemed to be plenty of compelling circumstantial evidence to show that he did.
Personally I think he did it so now he reaps what he sowed.
Did not take long render a verdict? 35 hours over 7 days is not taking long?
Based on news reports I read about the trial the evidence certainly point to him being involved but I am surprised they found him guilty without a murder weapon, solid motive and proof he pulled the trigger.
That being said my gut tells me he most likely did it.
I don't know, the mountain of evidence as I understand it makes this seem like a more or less open and shut case to me. And under Mass law, they didn't have to prove he actually pulled the trigger as long as they could show he was there and participated on some level (that said, I have no doubt he pulled the trigger).
Not that it matters much now, the case against him is even stronger for the other two murders he is charged with.
I am only going by what I read in the Boston papers and on ESPN and have not followed the case that closely so they must have had pretty conclusive evidence as it seems the jury did not take that long to render a verdict.
Not knowing the law it just seemed to me that there was no direct proof he did it although there seemed to be plenty of compelling circumstantial evidence to show that he did.
Personally I think he did it so now he reaps what he sowed.
Did not take long render a verdict? 35 hours over 7 days is not taking long?
Not compared to some murder cases I have read about. Considering a lack of direct proof that he pulled the trigger I don't find 7 days excessive.
http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/03/19/jodi-arias-trial-famous-trial-deliberation-times
[Edited on 4/16/2015 by Bill_Graham]
amazing story -he got what he deserved from everything i read. and what an arrogant SOB
I cannot help but wonder how he and Tebow got along at UF. Hernandez the biggest thug in the world, and Tebow--supposedly the straightest, cleanest guy in the world. LOL
Interesting that a few jurors have talked about how important Robert Kraft's testimony was on the verdict...and how ironic that Hernandez will be able to see the lights of Gillette Stadium from the prison he'll be in for a while...
http://nesn.com/2015/04/how-robert-krafts-testimony-sealed-aaron-hernandezs-murder-trial-fate/
Robert Kraft didn’t look comfortable last month while testifying in the Aaron Hernandez murder trial. But what the New England Patriots owner said about his former tight end made a jury comfortable in convicting Hernandez of first-degree murder in the 2013 shooting death of Odin Lloyd.
Jurors told reporters Wednesday that Kraft saying Hernandez told him “he hoped that the time of the murder incident came out because he said he was in a club” was crucial in their decision to send the ex-Patriots to life in prison without parole.
“One part, for me, was Aaron’s alleged statement that … he was at a club at that time,” one juror said, via ProFootballTalk.com. “We still don’t know the exact time of Odin’s murder, specifically. So I don’t know how Aaron would have had that information two years ago. Even today, after medical examiners’ review, we still don’t have that information.”
It’s a strong impact from testimony that many questioned at the time. Some wondered what Kraft, whom prosecutors called to the stand March 31, possibly could provide in the case. It appears he provided the one sentence that slammed a prison door right in Hernandez’s face. Well, at least one of two sentences, anyway.
Hernandez might think about that as the Gillette Stadium crowd roar filters to Massachusetts Correctional Institution-Cedar Junction a short distance away.
[Edited on 4/16/2015 by gondicar]
amazing story -he got what he deserved from everything i read. and what an arrogant SOB
I think that Hernandez took arrogance up to a whole new level. And I think the verdict is VERY important for the safety of all of us. Hernandez is certainly not the only arrogant gangbanger out there who thinks that he can blow away anyone who disrespects him, even in some small way. The verdict is a great repudiation of these kind of dysfunctional psychopaths and may make at least one of them think twice.
I really do not care.
I think down inside you care more than you know.
Bristol County Sheriff Thomas M. Hodgson ...
Of the thousands of inmates he’s dealt with over his career, Hernandez is “the best I’ve ever seen at manipulation,” Hodgson told hosts Tom Shattuck and Adriana Cohen, saying the former tight end seems to have “sociopathic issues.”
“Over the course of time I’ve had a lot of opportunities to speak with him and one of the things that I learned was that he is the best I’ve ever seen at manipulation. He is the best I’ve ever seen at compartmentalizing things so that he doesn’t have to deal with the here and now,” Hodgson said, adding, “he is a master at using his charm to position himself and get what he needs. I’ve never seen anybody better at it. Literally if he sat down with you and you had not met him before within five minutes you’d be saying ‘hey listen, let’s go out and get a beer.’ ... He’s very respectful - but I saw the other side.”
Hodgson also said conversations he’s had with Hernandez during his time in prison have revealed that he still has deep issues with his father’s death and that being disrespected triggers his “hot button” — something prosecutors have indicated may have led Hernandez to kill two men in Boston in 2012.
“When you disrespect Aaron Hernandez you disrespect the memory of his father and that would send him to a point where he would become enraged because he has the anger around the loss of his own father,” Hodgson said, adding that the behavior the former star tight-end has exhibited in jail indicates he has some “sociopathic issues.”
I really do not care.
I think down inside you care more than you know.
You are incorrect, I can not tell you one fact about this trial because I have not paid attention and just do not care.
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I really do not care.I think down inside you care more than you know.
You are incorrect, I can not tell you one fact about this trial because I have not paid attention and just do not care.
You care enough to keep checking up on this thread, though.
oops, posted in wrong thread. content moved to marathon bombing thread.
[Edited on 4/17/2015 by gondicar]
The parents of Martin Richard, the youngest fatal victim of the Boston Marathon bombing, whose young daughter also lost a leg, want the death penalty taken off the table....the Boston Globe published this editorial by them today...
To end the anguish, drop the death penalty
In Bill and Denise Richard’s own words
The past two years have been the most trying of our lives. Our family has grieved, buried our young son, battled injuries, and endured numerous surgeries — all while trying to rebuild lives that will never be the same. We sat in the courtroom, day after day, bearing witness to overwhelming evidence that included graphic video and photographs, replicated bombs, and even the clothes our son wore his last day alive. We are eternally grateful for the courage and life-saving measures of first responders, Boston Police, the Boston Fire Department, and good Samaritans on April 15, 2013. We also thank the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, the Department of Justice, and the Massachusetts US Attorney’s Office for leaving no stone unturned during the investigation and trial.
But now that the tireless and committed prosecution team has ensured that justice will be served, we urge the Department of Justice to bring the case to a close. We are in favor of and would support the Department of Justice in taking the death penalty off the table in exchange for the defendant spending the rest of his life in prison without any possibility of release and waiving all of his rights to appeal.
We understand all too well the heinousness and brutality of the crimes committed. We were there. We lived it. The defendant murdered our 8-year-old son, maimed our 7-year-old daughter, and stole part of our soul. We know that the government has its reasons for seeking the death penalty, but the continued pursuit of that punishment could bring years of appeals and prolong reliving the most painful day of our lives. We hope our two remaining children do not have to grow up with the lingering, painful reminder of what the defendant took from them, which years of appeals would undoubtedly bring.
For us, the story of Marathon Monday 2013 should not be defined by the actions or beliefs of the defendant, but by the resiliency of the human spirit and the rallying cries of this great city. We can never replace what was taken from us, but we can continue to get up every morning and fight another day. As long as the defendant is in the spotlight, we have no choice but to live a story told on his terms, not ours. The minute the defendant fades from our newspapers and TV screens is the minute we begin the process of rebuilding our lives and our family.
This is a deeply personal issue and we can speak only for ourselves. However, it is clear that peace of mind was taken not just from us, but from all Americans. We honor those who were lost and wish continued strength for all those who were injured. We believe that now is the time to turn the page, end the anguish, and look toward a better future — for us, for Boston, and for the country.
[Edited on 4/17/2015 by gondicar]
I agree with them. But this relates to Hernandez how?
I agree with them. But this relates to Hernandez how?
Sorry, wrong thread. Will move it.
If you're really interested in the Hernandez trial and you've got 45 minutes to kill, check this out. Dan Wetzel is a Yahoo columnist who covered the trial and he sat in on much of, but not all of it.
The link above is an audio interview with Wetzel.
Wetzel rightly states that there really is no precedent for what Hernandez has done: A professional athlete who had it all.............wealth, fame, a wife and kid..........and for some unknown reason has chosen to throw it all away. Not only that, it will potentially come out at the other trials that Hernandez is not only a murderer but a serial killer.
Wetzel was asked if there were any turning points in the trial which pointed to Hernandez' guilt. He said there were actually two:
1. Video from Hernandez' home surveillance system which showed him walking around with a gun in his hand just minutes after the murder. That kind of evidence, said Wetzel, was just as good as having the actual weapon. He added that the fiancé's testimony was "laughable": She said she threw away a black box but never looked inside to see what was in it and she couldn't remember where she threw it. Uh-Huh. Wetzel also added that Hernandez could easily have erased this video from the system but was likely too drunk and stoned to think of that.
2. Patriots owner Robert Kraft's testimony. Hernandez flat out lied to him, saying he was at a nightclub that night. Witnesses verified that he was not. Even more incriminating, Hernandez told Kraft that he hoped the time of the murder came out because at the time it happened he was in the nightclub. The police had not even determined the time of death yet. The only way Hernandez could have known the time of death was if he was present at the murder. Again, Hernandez was likely too stoned to realize he was incriminating himself.
Wetzel adds that in view of those two points, Hernandez was not exactly a slick and intelligent criminal. I'd say that's an understatement.
[Edited on 4/25/2015 by robslob]
