Thanks Rob....nice read....Duane loved the sound of a big band....double drummers comes from James Brown....great concept if you can make it work....
Thanks Rob....nice read....Duane loved the sound of a big band....double drummers comes from James Brown....great concept if you can make it work....
I never knew until I read the article today that Phil Walden originally recruited Duane with the intention of making him the next Guitar God in a trio format like Cream and Hendrix.
Says ions about Duane that he had a higher vision from day one...............and that vision stayed intact until 2014.
Thanks Rob....nice read....Duane loved the sound of a big band....double drummers comes from James Brown....great concept if you can make it work....
I never knew until I read the article today that Phil Walden originally recruited Duane with the intention of making him the next Guitar God in a trio format like Cream and Hendrix.
Says ions about Duane that he had a higher vision from day one...............and that vision stayed intact until 2014.
I have an old ABB book from the 70's and I do believe it was mentioned in that book.....either that or I might have learned about the trio from the dialogs album.....
Yeah Duane liked a much more full sound....and he knew he couldn't sing....very well.....huh.....
It took vision plus a very secure sense of self to bring Dickey in the Band. Plenty of guitarists would NOT want another serious bad ass player in the Band who might cut into your solo time or spotlight.
At different times, I've read/heard Duane introduce himself from the stage as "the famous one" adding that Dickey was "the good one". I read an article once where he commented that after Dickey's solo, often he didn't know what to do. Also, I read something, somewhere where he was quoted as telling Mama A that he didn't want to be a rock star.
Amazing wisdom from someone so young, especially since he could have had mega-fame if he'd wanted.
Billastro
Thanks Rob....nice read....Duane loved the sound of a big band....double drummers comes from James Brown....great concept if you can make it work....
I never knew until I read the article today that Phil Walden originally recruited Duane with the intention of making him the next Guitar God in a trio format like Cream and Hendrix.
Says ions about Duane that he had a higher vision from day one...............and that vision stayed intact until 2014.
I have an old ABB book from the 70's and I do believe it was mentioned in that book.....either that or I might have learned about the trio from the dialogs album.....
Yeah Duane liked a much more full sound....and he knew he couldn't sing....very well.....huh.....
I think it gets mentioned in every book as it was the beginning but Berry felt loyalty to Dickey so Duane said welcome aboard. They had already played together before anyway so they obviously knew that it worked.
Duane was more of a band player than trio guy and even Hendrix was moving towards the big bands too. If Hendrix was alive, I picture a TTB type backing band.
Thanks Rob....nice read....Duane loved the sound of a big band....double drummers comes from James Brown....great concept if you can make it work....
I never knew until I read the article today that Phil Walden originally recruited Duane with the intention of making him the next Guitar God in a trio format like Cream and Hendrix.
Says ions about Duane that he had a higher vision from day one...............and that vision stayed intact until 2014.
I have an old ABB book from the 70's and I do believe it was mentioned in that book.....either that or I might have learned about the trio from the dialogs album.....
Yeah Duane liked a much more full sound....and he knew he couldn't sing....very well.....huh.....
I think it gets mentioned in every book as it was the beginning but Berry felt loyalty to Dickey so Duane said welcome aboard. They had already played together before anyway so they obviously knew that it worked.
Duane was more of a band player than trio guy and even Hendrix was moving towards the big bands too. If Hendrix was alive, I picture a TTB type backing band.
As was Clapton....The whole trio guitar god, jam master thing wore off pretty quickly for him too. I wouldn't doubt that Duane totally understood this early on, along with the downsides of being a "Rock Star" and thus avoided it altogether.
Also, given Duane, from and early age, had already done session work for some very famous and experienced "stars", may have learned from such experiences that the star trip was not for him.....
[Edited on 4/9/2017 by Chain]
The book from the '70s was probably this one: https://www.amazon.com/Allman-Brothers-Band-biography-pictures/dp/B0000E7NYB/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491745328&sr=1-1&keywords=allman+brothers+and+tom
Stories vary with time and retellings. I heard that when Duane said he was going to steal Berry from the Second Coming, he'd never be able to -- he and Dickey were like brothers. Supposedly, Duane said, "Well, then, I'll steal Dickey, too!" I don't know if this is what happened, but it sounds so much like Duane.
Regardless of who said what to whom and when, Duane put together what many consider the greatest American band, and the greatest jamming band, of all time.
Billastro
Hendrix and Cream aside, the brother was so incredibly talented and prolific that he could have knocked out a power trio record or three in one weekend with his eyes closed. He was doing amazing side projects all the time. He chose not to, c'est la vie, but I can't help but wonder how awesome a record of Duane Allman just tearing it up with bass and drums would have been.
This thread reminds me how underrated Hendrix is, outside of his guitar playing, for which he is justly celebrated.
The image of Jimi that dominates is that of a gunslinging guitar hero, and he was certainly that, but he wrote some absolutely incredible songs. For Duane to even have a chance to be "the next Jimi Hendrix" he would have had to write songs like Bold As Love, Machine Gun, Are You Experienced? and on and on and on....
Not to mention that Jimi produced Electric Ladyland, which still sounds amazing, and helped create a whole new sonic palette for guitar. Jimi was his own Tom Dowd, for lack of a better way to put it.
Duane Allman was absolutely one of the greatest guitar players to ever strap on an ax, but Jimi Hendrix was something much more than that. For my money, he remains the greatest creative visionary in the history of rock music.
The image of Jimi that dominates is that of a gunslinging guitar hero, and he was certainly that, but he wrote some absolutely incredible songs. For Duane to even have a chance to be "the next Jimi Hendrix" he would have had to write songs like Bold As Love, Machine Gun, Are You Experienced? and on and on and on....
Wow, that is a great point you have there Rob. It seems obvious after you mention it, but I never really looked at it that way and what you say is completely true.
The songs you mention bring me to another point which always bothers me whenever I've heard some band either in concert or in a club covering Hendrix: It seems like the only tune any guitar player who covers Hendrix has ever heard is Voodoo Chile. Why is that? Great song, yes.........but I'M SICK OF HEARING IT! Why can't someone cover Axis: Bold As Love or Are You Experienced, two of my faves? When a guitar player steps up to the mike and says something like, "How 'bout a little Jimi?" I can predict with about 99% accuracy that they are going to do Voodoo Chile. I never have quite been able to understand that.............as you say, Jimi wrote a LOT of great tunes, not just Voodoo Chile! Doesn't ANYONE realize how trite they are being by covering it?
Jimi or Duane? I'm just happier 'n a dead pig in the hot sun that we got one of each.
Why Voodoo Chile? Because it is one of the very few Hendrix numbers possible for.mortals to play.
[Edited on 4/12/2017 by BrerRabbit]
...Duane was more of a band player than trio guy and even Hendrix was moving towards the big bands too. If Hendrix was alive, I picture a TTB type backing band.
The brown acid is kicking in again, eh? If that's where he was gonna end up, I say rest in peace.
There is pretty strong evidence that Hendrix and Miles Davis were interested in working together before Jimi passed away. That would have probably been in the context of a large band with horns, much like TTB, who have been playing Bitches Brew live lately.
Doesn't sound like a fate worse than death to me. I really wish that had happened.
Oh well, much like Duane did, Hendrix created so much incredible music in a short time that it almost seems greedy to want more.
...Duane was more of a band player than trio guy and even Hendrix was moving towards the big bands too. If Hendrix was alive, I picture a TTB type backing band.
The brown acid is kicking in again, eh? If that's where he was gonna end up, I say rest in peace.
LMAO!
I didn't say that Susan would be singing. 😛 Just a big band and not a trio.
Not 100% sure that the brown acid ever wore off, let alone kicked back in.
We may be greedy for wanting more, Rob. But that is the best type of greed.
Although in my mind, Jimi never played a note of disco. Not even a momentary guest spot.
Jimi never played a note of disco.
Actually Hendrix's music and style contributed a lot to the birth of 70's disco. "Message to Love" is proto-disco, the way it combines elements of rock, soul, and funk. His free love attitude, flamboyant dress as well as his pan-racial image, beyond black or white, also defining aspects of the disco movement, which wa a departure from the dominant hetero white rock scene, to a more inclusive and tolerant, collective scene of racial and sexual diversity, reflected in the disco mix of latin, funk, soul, rock
Hendrix's trademark scratch-wah wah funky guitar sound, his signature rhythm style, became the foundation of pretty much all funk, r&b, from Superfly to Shaft, to the pulse of disco and beyond.
In a way, Hendrix was the father of disco.
Hahaha, but disco still sucks!
Jimi never played a note of disco.
Actually Hendrix's music and style contributed a lot to the birth of 70's disco. "Message to Love" is proto-disco, the way it combines elements of rock, soul, and funk. His free love attitude, flamboyant dress as well as his pan-racial image, beyond black or white, also defining aspects of the disco movement, which wa a departure from the dominant hetero white rock scene, to a more inclusive and tolerant, collective scene of racial and sexual diversity, reflected in the disco mix of latin, funk, soul, rock
Hendrix's trademark scratch-wah wah funky guitar sound, his signature rhythm style, became the foundation of pretty much all funk, r&b, from Superfly to Shaft, to the pulse of disco and beyond.
In a way, Hendrix was the father of disco.
Hahaha, but disco still sucks!
Quoting Ginger Baker when a documentarist accused the Cream of being the "father of Heavy Metal": "well, I wish there had been an abortion!".
An aside: is anybody else seeing my signature quote at the bottom of Brer Rabbit's post?
Lol good old mean Ginger . . .
Re the signature, it is a mystery, my sig seems to randomly copy other sigs. Very odd.
