How far will the liberal agenda go?
Apparently it's not enough to blame hatred on a piece of cloth.
It was red necked, right wing, racists who assigned hatred to a piece of cloth. Don't put the cart in front of the horse. You won't get too far.
Come on Billy the founder of the KKK deserves his monument.
Seems to me Wearly89 you are letting those "outside agitators" influence you when your first inclination was to take the flag down for those po' black folk slaughtered at church. Nice gesture on your part. Always go with your initial gut feeling ... haven't you ever heard that old saying?
As far as flags and symbols go, the three or four mule mandala that represents Gov't Mule pretty much stands for good music. The battle flag of the Confederacy represents the South seceding from the union and willing to lose life in defense of the institution of slavery ... Period. If you were black, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Of course if you could only show those pesky African Americans that train treastle then they would realize we've been absolved for bringing their ancestors over here against their will and forced to work. The rebel flag doesn't represent the New South or reconstruction for that matter - the atrocities of which have more to do with the assination of Lincoln than losing the war. And Warren is actually right concerning the rebel flag at least in South Carolina. It was placed atop the capital to supposedly honor the hundredth anniversary of the Civil War. The fact that it wasn't taken down would in fact suggest that it had more to do as in opposition to the Civil Rights movement of the 60's.
I have no problem with folks digging their history and heritage if they've got it right. The rebel flag certainly doesn't represent the ABB. As one of the first integrated rock bands in the U.S. (Not just the South), it stood for what they were fighting against. My ancestors are from South Carolina. My great,great grandfather Anderson Charles was with Lee when we surrendered. So I suppose that gives me the right to proudly fly the Confederate Flag; however, I play a little music and if Buddy Guy, Stevie Wonder, or any of the many black musicians that I admire would want to jam, I'd hate for them to think I was racist.
Oh by the way Nikki Haley said, "The flag has got to go." Last time I checked she was the duly elected ... Republican ... Governor of SC.
This sums it up...I think those who want to fly the flag really don't get that it represents treason for wanting to preserve slavery....Because I have yet to find out what the South can't do now that it could do before the civil war except own other people.
I also don't get what the South would want to change if it "rose up" again??? to bring back slavery????
How far will the liberal agenda go?
Apparently it's not enough to blame hatred on a piece of cloth.It was red necked, right wing, racists who assigned hatred to a piece of cloth. Don't put the cart in front of the horse. You won't get too far.
"CHICAGO - Police are dealing with the fallout from some unexpected fireworks over the past few days in Chicago. Eighty-two people were shot, 14 of them fatally, over the long Fourth of July weekend, according to the Chicago Tribune. The string of incidents kicked off in the afternoon on Thursday."
Barely a peep out of the mainstream media on this story.
Maybe we should check which flags they were flying?
Oh. That one with the skull and lighting bolt needs to be banned.
They are carving us up like a big pie.
Griff, in my self-erased post (thought you could delete these things?) I made a statement involving symbols and the power that PEOPLE impart upon them. I said that it was fine to remove the confederate flag in light of all the negativity and hate associated with it (call it guilt by association or something). I then stated that maybe it was time to do something about the symbolic red and blue bandannas in places like Los Angeles. To be safe I added one of those winky guys ( 😉 ) to show that I was being cynical and facetious.
Then I reminded myself that the bandannas in question do not fly over any state capitol or government offices or buildings. Then I erased the content knowing that I'd likely be misunderstood by another poster.
So you (or somebody) can still waive that skull and lightning bolt flag - or even the confederate flag pretty much anywhere they want. Just don't hang it in a government facility (capitols, post offices, schools, etc.).
I think the swastika analogy in Germany is an applicable one.
Frustrated.
I really thought we had it down in the 70's with the music and everybody getting along pretty good.
All I'm saying is reject the hate that the media seems to be force feeding us.
If everybody thinks for themselves instead of being led down this path, we will be fine.
Frustrated.
I really thought we had it down in the 70's with the music and everybody getting along pretty good.
All I'm saying is reject the hate that the media seems to be force feeding us.
If everybody thinks for themselves instead of being led down this path, we will be fine.
Could it be people have evolved enough to recognize that the symbol is not something to be "proud" of that it is a symbol much like a swastika...In fact you could consider it the American swastika
I have read that Duane never wanted the band to be associated with that symbol and anytime it was used on a poster was because of the promoter and had nothing to do with the band unlike LS who waved it like ignorant idiots for years.
Funny story one day I was being tailgated by a guy in a 4X4 with a confederate flag front plate...I pulled over to let him by and the guy was Asian....I had a real good laugh at that.....
Show me one country on Earth where official government buildings fly the flag of a separatist group that tried to secede from that country, then fought a bloody war against it for years. Oh, that's right, you can't. Calling that flag "treasonous" is actually one of the mildest things you can say about it, but that alone should be enough to keep it from being displayed prominently in any official government-sanctioned setting.
Not that it matters much, but I live in Atlanta and have ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. They also owned slaves. I'm proud of a lot of my heritage, but not that part.
One of the happiest days of my life happened shortly after my grandfather passed away. My grandmother asked me if I would take the Confederate flag license plate off of the car he used to drive. That thing was off of that car in approximately 7.6 seconds.
I agree with Warren. You don't need a symbol.
I was born in Atlanta and have lived in SC for 62 years.
I go to church across the street from our state capitol where that flag will come down tomorrow morning.
I had ancestors that fought for the CSA from SC, GA and NC. Two great-great uncles died. Some of my ancestors had slaves others did not. I have researched and learned about these people and honor them but I am so glad that flag is coming down.
I am tired of the glorification of the "lost cause". It was always about slavery. States rights to preserve slavery. Let us move on and try to make this country a better place for all of out citizens.
I reiterate my previous comment -
"No matter what you do or don't do or say or don't say, certain people are going to be upset. What's that you people seem to prize so dearly.....TOLERANCE???? Well, then be tolerant, damn it. Wiping out other peoples cherished symbols does not show love, compassion, respect. It molifies some people and angers others. That is political correctness. It's ok to destroy a symbol if it's one that you dislike. Well, that ain't showing love, respect, and empathy for other viewpoints. Tolerance does that and let me tell you, if you can't tolerate someone else's cherished symbol then you are not a tolerant person. If you want to deny someone else's freedom of speech by denying him/her to display it, I dare say you are a vindictive and intolerant person. It's amazing I'd have to point that out."
Could you imagine a Nazi flag flying out in front of the Vatican or around the Eifel Tower or in certain parts of Germany or Denmark or the Netherlands or Belguim? i'm not sure what the difference is Wearly, maybe you can help me understand.
wearly, you do understand that you still have the personal right to fly a Confederate flag on your property, right? Nobody is even trying to take that away from you.
There are plenty of things we have a right to do as private citizens that are not appropriate for governments to do. That is the part you seem to not get.
Contemptible jerk? You ran your rebel flag up and I shot it full of holes. I'm not ignorant of the views of many folk here in the South or elsewhere, but i am intolerant of ignorant views, diatribes, etc. I'm against ignorance in general. The New South is about truth and enlightenment. The rebel flag is a rhorrible symbol to an ever increasing number of people. Both the rebel flag and the swashtika are symbols the klan still uses to this day. You are entitled to your opinion and if you want to fly the flag, fly it! Wrap yourself in it. Tattoo it on your forehead for everyone to see. And by God be proud. But any government building in the USA shouldn't have the rebel flag on it. I commend Gov. Haley and the SC Legislature for their decision to remove it. It is a shame that 9 people had to die in a place of worship by some idiot whose mind was poisoned by truly hateful, intolerant, and ignorant points of view for this to finally occur.
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All you did was parrot a bunch of vacuous nonsense. To paint everyone who likes the Confederate flag with the same brush is every bit as irresponsible and hateful as the murderer you condemned. At least that's the way it feels to me. Your hate is just directed at a different group.
All those on here in favor of the flag coming down probably can't get them enough of "Whipping Post".
How would you feel if some leftist loon had a agenda with that song & painted the ABB & their fans as something they're not?
yea Rowland should probably shut this thread down.......you watching Rowland?
"To paint everyone who likes the Confederate flag with the same brush is every bit as irresponsible and hateful as the murderer you condemned."
When I kill 9 innocent people because they display a Confederate flag, then we'll talk.
Otherwise you are comparing two very different things.
Haynes not hate
few things i'd like to say
- the star and bars is not the flag on the confederate states on america. its a battle flag that general lee amonmg other flew. funny now after this incident i see several people near me flying the one of the actual flags of the confderate states
-the flag was not being flown over any state buiding in SC anymore it was at a civil war memorial that was on state ground
-the civil was was about states rights. doesn't matter if what they were fighting for was evil or not. the same mindset of not standing up for yourselves is the reason people are now forced to buy crappy medical insurance or be fined by the government for not having it
Yep, Ft. Bragg = bad, must change its name:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4171730-181/should-fort-bragg-change-its
County names are next:
If you don't support banning the flag at federal cemeteries, then you are a racist:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4186288-181/jared-huffman-at-center-of?page=1
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"To paint everyone who likes the Confederate flag with the same brush is every bit as irresponsible and hateful as the murderer you condemned."
When I kill 9 innocent people because they display a Confederate flag, then we'll talk.
Otherwise you are comparing two very different things.
Not at all. This type of censorship - political correctness - is the tool employed by the Nazis and is part of the intertia of the mobilizing the elimination of dissent by those who believe in central power and the elimination of individual rights. It's part of the process that resulted in 6 million Jews having their private property siezed, being rounded up and packed into railcars like cattle, placed into death camps and summarily slaughtered.
You're in that club, not me. I can tolerate what you say even though I disagree with you. I'm in favor of the display of any symbol because I believe in freedom of expression. Today, the right to display Nativity scenes, the Ten Commandments, the Confederate flag, Confederate memorials and monuments - all of which a large number of people favor - are all falling prey to political correctness which also involves the erasure and rewriting of culture and history. You might see nothing wrong with any of that but I do.
I despise what Dylann Roof did and I hate that he and other wacko extremists have co-opted the Conferderate flag to use as a symbol of hate. It's humiliating and embarrassing to those of us who love the flag for different reasons. I fully support what my State did in lieux of all that. The only thing I have said is that I wished the outside antagonists had let our State decide for ourselves what to do.
The wonderful people at Emanuel African Methodist Church beautifully reflected the love, grace, and forgiveness of Jesus Christ in the aftermath of the shooting. They turned a horrific event into a means of unifying people. People like you would use that event merely for political advantage - a means to punish and silence political opponents. There is nothing unifying, loving, or tolerant in silencing people and denying them their libertiy, including their freedom of expression.
few things i'd like to say
- the star and bars is not the flag on the confederate states on america. its a battle flag that general lee amonmg other flew. funny now after this incident i see several people near me flying the one of the actual flags of the confderate states
-the flag was not being flown over any state buiding in SC anymore it was at a civil war memorial that was on state ground
-the civil was was about states rights. doesn't matter if what they were fighting for was evil or not. the same mindset of not standing up for yourselves is the reason people are now forced to buy crappy medical insurance or be fined by the government for not having it
If it was just about states rights what other rights were taken away from the south after the Civil War? You say it shouldn't matter that part of our country keep other humans and used them as stock. That fighting for evil was just OK?? And no one should make an issue of the flag that fought for the right to keep and use humans as stock?
Are you really thinking this through. The right to keep and use humans as stock....That is what the fight was all about....And that flag represents that
What other rights were taken away other than they couldn't own another human?
Not at all. This type of censorship - political correctness - is the tool employed by the Nazis and is part of the intertia of the mobilizing the elimination of dissent by those who believe in central power and the elimination of individual rights. It's part of the process that resulted in 6 million Jews having their private property siezed, being rounded up and packed into railcars like cattle, placed into death camps and summarily slaughtered.
You're in that club, not me. I can tolerate what you say even though I disagree with you. I'm in favor of the display of any symbol because I believe in freedom of expression. Today, the right to display Nativity scenes, the Ten Commandments, the Confederate flag, Confederate memorials and monuments - all of which a large number of people favor - are all falling prey to political correctness which also involves the erasure and rewriting of culture and history. You might see nothing wrong with any of that but I do.
You can display all those things Wearly.
Do you have any citation that shows the holocaust was caused by political correctness? I've never heard that. I'd certainly like to see the literature if it exists.
few things i'd like to say
- the star and bars is not the flag on the confederate states on america. its a battle flag that general lee amonmg other flew. funny now after this incident i see several people near me flying the one of the actual flags of the confderate states
-the flag was not being flown over any state buiding in SC anymore it was at a civil war memorial that was on state ground
-the civil was was about states rights. doesn't matter if what they were fighting for was evil or not. the same mindset of not standing up for yourselves is the reason people are now forced to buy crappy medical insurance or be fined by the government for not having it
If it was just about states rights what other rights were taken away from the south after the Civil War? You say it shouldn't matter that part of our country keep other humans and used them as stock. That fighting for evil was just OK?? And no one should make an issue of the flag that fought for the right to keep and use humans as stock?
Are you really thinking this through. The right to keep and use humans as stock....That is what the fight was all about....And that flag represents that
What other rights were taken away other than they couldn't own another human?
Completely agree with this. What right, specifically, was the South being denied that led it to secede?
The "states rights" argument always was, and is, political camouflage for the real issue of slavery.
A view from an American history expert on how the flag came to be.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm
few things i'd like to say
- the star and bars is not the flag on the confederate states on america. its a battle flag that general lee amonmg other flew. funny now after this incident i see several people near me flying the one of the actual flags of the confderate states
-the flag was not being flown over any state buiding in SC anymore it was at a civil war memorial that was on state ground
-the civil was was about states rights. doesn't matter if what they were fighting for was evil or not. the same mindset of not standing up for yourselves is the reason people are now forced to buy crappy medical insurance or be fined by the government for not having it
If it was just about states rights what other rights were taken away from the south after the Civil War? You say it shouldn't matter that part of our country keep other humans and used them as stock. That fighting for evil was just OK?? And no one should make an issue of the flag that fought for the right to keep and use humans as stock?
Are you really thinking this through. The right to keep and use humans as stock....That is what the fight was all about....And that flag represents that
What other rights were taken away other than they couldn't own another human?
it was a states rights to govern itself as it saw fit to keep its economy growing and the voters in the state happy. big brother just made up their minds that they can do what england did and tell every one what to do without votes and democracy. the right wasn't slavery it was the right for a state to use its own governing body to do whats best for that state. funny now the government gives huge breaks to farmers on everything to try and keep them going but back then nothing was proposed to help ensure these states whose economy was based on agriculture could survive without pretty much free help in the form of slaves
If it was just about states rights what other rights were taken away from the south after the Civil War? You say it shouldn't matter that part of our country keep other humans and used them as stock. That fighting for evil was just OK?? And no one should make an issue of the flag that fought for the right to keep and use humans as stock?
Are you really thinking this through. The right to keep and use humans as stock....That is what the fight was all about....And that flag represents that
What other rights were taken away other than they couldn't own another human?
it was a states rights to govern itself as it saw fit to keep its economy growing and the voters in the state happy. big brother just made up their minds that they can do what england did and tell every one what to do without votes and democracy. the right wasn't slavery it was the right for a state to use its own governing body to do whats best for that state. funny now the government gives huge breaks to farmers on everything to try and keep them going but back then nothing was proposed to help ensure these states whose economy was based on agriculture could survive without pretty much free help in the form of slaves
So what, governmentally, were the States not able to do? Other than keep slavery legal? I don't understand what Rights big brother took away.
If it was just about states rights what other rights were taken away from the south after the Civil War? You say it shouldn't matter that part of our country keep other humans and used them as stock. That fighting for evil was just OK?? And no one should make an issue of the flag that fought for the right to keep and use humans as stock?
Are you really thinking this through. The right to keep and use humans as stock....That is what the fight was all about....And that flag represents that
What other rights were taken away other than they couldn't own another human?
it was a states rights to govern itself as it saw fit to keep its economy growing and the voters in the state happy. big brother just made up their minds that they can do what england did and tell every one what to do without votes and democracy. the right wasn't slavery it was the right for a state to use its own governing body to do whats best for that state. funny now the government gives huge breaks to farmers on everything to try and keep them going but back then nothing was proposed to help ensure these states whose economy was based on agriculture could survive without pretty much free help in the form of slaves
So what, governmentally, were the States not able to do? Other than keep slavery legal? I don't understand what Rights big brother took away.
i just told you. its the right to govern itself as seen fit by the people of the state. what was the governments proposals to help these states whose economy was based around agriculture offset the cost of having to pay for labor? were new taxes being passed for the export of the goods these plantations grew? imo the government tried to put the cart before the horse and were actually ok with that until the confederacy refused to give the union controlled forts in the south back over to the union. you do know thats when the civil war started and before that the union actually did nothing. the confederacy was trying to wait until demand for cotton and tobacco got so high that europe would cave and pay higher taxes and also tax the north with import charges
You can display all those things Wearly.
Do you have any citation that shows the holocaust was caused by political correctness? I've never heard that. I'd certainly like to see the literature if it exists.
Start with "The Road To Serfdom" by Friedrich von Hayek.
I also googled "political correctness in Nazi Germany" and several references popped up. This is an article I just read which explains the process fairly briefly but clearly and thoroughly... http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/
And here is a 3 hour documentary film - The Rise of the Third Reich. I'm going to to watch the first two parts tonight.
Hope you're serious about wanting the information.
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[Edited on 7/11/2015 by wearly89]
You can display all those things Wearly.
Do you have any citation that shows the holocaust was caused by political correctness? I've never heard that. I'd certainly like to see the literature if it exists.
Start with "The Road To Serfdom" by Friedrich von Hayek.
I also googled "political correctness in Nazi Germany" and several references popped up. This is an article I just read which explains the process fairly briefly but clearly and thoroughly... http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/
And here is a 3 hour documentary film - The Rise of the Third Reich. I'm going to to watch the first two parts tonight.
Hope you're serious about wanting the information
So the removal of the Stars and Bars from in front of a statehouse is gonna lead to a rise of Nazi-like forces in America?
Hmmmmmm.
The swastika and all Nazi imagery is strictly banned in Germany. Shouldn't the Nazis have risen again because of it? 😉
So the removal of the Stars and Bars from in front of a statehouse
They did not remove the "Stars and Bars".....they took down the battle flag, entirely different banner.
