Well pops42, what is the MSG band to you? The Allman Brothers or a tribute band?
I'm too old to f***k. Unless some chemical shows up in the water.
I wish they would just play instrumental versions of those songs if they play again. I have never been fond of another singing for Gregg or Dickey. Now if this isn't the Allman Brothers Band and a tribute to the Allman Brothers then that is fine for others to sing Whioping Post or Blue Sky.
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It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.
But I enjoyed the show. I imagine none of the musicians viewed it as an Allman Brothers show but that is how it is being described by some even in the press.
Why in the world should they have to do instrumental versions of songs that have lyrics? The idea that nobody should be allowed to sing Gregg or Dickey's songs is just crazy. Gregg can sing Elmore James, but nobody can sing Gregg Allman?
You have to try to let it go for your own sanity. I can't really see taking offense to them not using the name because you don't think they should use the name when they didn't use the name. (See, the situation can't even be described without sounding confusing.)
It was the ABB without Duane for 42 years, so there's that...
Also, was "Reach For The Sky" a better album than "Hittin' The Note" because it had one more original member on it?
And again, nobody was trying to fool people that this was the ABB. Anyone who would care about it knows that Gregg and Butch are no longer around. Just like anyone who would care knows that Jimmy Herring is not Dickey Betts.
The Brothers show was super good in March. The Les Brers shows I have been able to hear have been super good. The times Jack sat-in with Gov't Mule and played ABB songs were super good. The people who are around to continue to play this type of music in a capable manner should continue to do it whenever they want to. The more the better, as far as I am concerned.
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It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.
You have to try to let it go for your own sanity. I can't really see taking offense to them not using the name because you don't think they should use the name when they didn't use the name. (See, the situation can't even be described without sounding confusing.)
Also, was "Reach For The Sky" a better album than "Hittin' The Note" because it had one more original member on it?
Is the non-ABB March 20 show more ABB than the scorned but ABB-labeled Brothers of the Road show - an era many felt wasn’t the ABB even w/the original 4 members through most of it
Yes very confusing - how does the Hell & High Water CD stack up w/HTNote
I love the ABB
Dickey had someone sing Gregg's vocals in Great Southern shows - surely an original member would know that's against the rules.
I got the download from nugs.net, and I am a little disappointed with the way they tracked the songs. They usually make separate tracks for talking. On this one, all of the talk is at the end of each song. Jaimoe's speech before the encore is tracked at the end of the song before. Even Chuck's little "Will the Circle..." piano intro into "Soulshine" is tracked with the song before it, "Come and Go Blues". The recording seems a little treble-y in spots, too, but that is just nit-picking.
Great show. I am glad I finally can listen to it on my commute to work. It seems like Derek deferred to Warren to do the second solo on most songs. I am a huge fan of Derek "taking to the next level", but Warren really steps up and "knocks 'em out of the park" all night long on this one. Reese is just the icing on the cake, as far solos go. I wish there was 45 years of his work on these songs to hear.
I think it was around 2007 2008 that Munck music began recording every show. Since that time I have collected CDs from many shows I attended at the Beacon, United Palace, Allgood, Peach, Tower Theater, Cleveland, Wanee and now MSG. After extensive listening to Each show I pull a song or two (sometimes none) to add to my ABB tops playlist. Sort of a greatest performance playlist. I just downloaded MSG show yesterday so I am very early on in my listen but adhill58 reminded me of what I think is a great version of Come and Go Blues and Soulshine. These songs really need to be played together due to the way they were split as adhill58 noted in one of his posts. Neither of these songs a favorite of mine but at this early stage really really liking this version. Could impact how I feel about the songs in general. PS The show I attended which has the greatest number of My favorite song Versions Is 3/20/10 show at United Palace. Bill Evans playing on Dreams and Liz Reed exceptional. Lastly I don’t get hung up on what we call the band - just extremely grateful that I have all these incredible live recordings of their shows.
Need more shows from that era - 40th anniversary show 3/26/2009, the ones w/Clapton sitting in, the Nov-Dec 2011 Philly-Boston run, esp the Orpheum show where they played EAP in its entirety - the Beacon show where they played FE all the way thru - the 2010 United Center show mentioned - 10/28/2014........
2009 Meadowbrook is the only one I have, & a great show it is - stoked to the 9s about 3/10/2020! 
sitting at home working listening to MSG Mountain Jam and although it is short by ABB standards the band is tearing it up. Definitely will make my fave list.
Then Duane Trucks subs for his dad .....
Duane is Derek's brother, so Butch wasn't his father.
Yep I meant to write uncle.
Mustangbob. Yeah Mountain Jam is a little short by Allman Brothers standards but this isn't the Allman Brothers. This is a tribute to the Allman Brothers Band band. So a lot of it is different than an actual ABB show. The biggest difference is no Gregg Allman. I remember Warren saying before the show to the press one of the big things to work out is how are they going to do those songs without Gregg singing and who will sing what. So I wondered about that myself and didn't know what to expect. And it turned out Warren sang most of it. Also I had a hunch Chuck would sing Blue Sky for Dickey and I was right.
Chuck and Dickey are good friends apparently. Not long ago Chuck said when he performs solo, Jessica is his signature song and he called Dickey to make sure that was okay and Dickey told him he was honored by that.
Blackey - Funny thing is for all the Beacon shows I attended I enjoyed the few where Gregg was absent as some of the best. Depending on the year he may have sounded weak or would forget lines or when to come in. An otherwise rousing version of Whipping Post on 3/10/20 marred when he started vocals all wrong. Amazed that he was able to get back on track. No complaints just the way it was or at least how it struck me. tough to go back and listen to those particular tracks. The band plus the guests seemed more creative (at least free) and energized. Last two shows at Beacon in March 2014 were Greggless before remaining shows were cancelled.. some really great songs including an amazing version of Franklins Tower. Anyway as I said before you can call the band the Partrdge family redux. That doesn’t get in the way of me enjoying the music. MSG show was a very good one.
I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.
It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was this lineup of 7 giving us some unique stuff & variations the last version of the ABB had never done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and familiar arrangements.
I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.
It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was a lineup of 7 giving us some unique variations the last version of the ABB hadn't done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and some familiar, straight up arrangements. Chuck playing on multiple songs he didn't originally which instantly made those unique. Derek & Warren approaching some parts differently. Reese had a similar but different style (his solo on DWYNM opened the evening and was different than anything Gregg had ever done). And an ultra tight performance.
Impressive it was pulled off like that on 4 days rehearsal. Bravo and I'll play this one multiple times just for the uniqueness of different voice, players and approach.
I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.
It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was a lineup of 7 giving us some unique variations the last version of the ABB hadn't done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and some familiar, straight up arrangements. Chuck playing on multiple songs he didn't originally which instantly made those unique. Derek & Warren approaching some parts differently. Reese had a similar but different style (his solo on DWYNM opened the evening and was different than anything Gregg had ever done). And an ultra tight performance.
Impressive it was pulled off like that on 4 days rehearsal. Bravo and I'll play this one multiple times just for the uniqueness of different voice, players and approach.
Agreed. I'd give it an A+ performance. The vocals were the biggest difference for me. It took a little getting used to hearing Warren sing INMCTB, but the music was just the same as it always had been. Must have been a great experience to see it one last time.
4/6 of your posts so far have been related to music, bet you can't keep up that percentage Boynton Brother!
CanadianMule. Why would they be your favorite touring band? Because they play Allman Brothers Band music? Or you like the mix of musicians and they would your favorite even if they came up with their own sound and songs?
I go see them both now with different bands so why would I not want to see Warren/Derek together. Add in Chuck and the rest of the guys and what a killer band. I would love them even if they didn't play a single ABB song.
I said on this forum a long time ago - They should have made a band Haynes/Trucks and they would be ten albums deep. They sat around for years with the ABB and made one album.
Yes that is true CanadianMule. The mix of old guys (who had the control of the band) and the new guys failed to morph into the determination and creativity it takes to make a band grow and produce new music and albums.
Warren and Derek mentioned several times how they are eager to get the band in the studio. Warren said he himself had new songs for the band to record. Eventually Gregg joined their push to get into the studio and Gregg went public and said there would be another Allman Brothers album even if they had to record it without Butch Trucks. Apparently Butch didn't see the point in spending the money it would take to do a good album (they were not with a label) if it wasn't going to sell that well. Their money was coming from playing live.
In 2002 Butch and Gregg were wanting to get into the studio now they were rid of Epic Records and show the world the Allman Brothers Band can do a good album without Dickey Betts being on it and hogging the song writing. They did Hitting The Note which was a good album. I bought it and liked it and apparently most hardcore fans did. But it didn't sell well and that must have been why Butch didn't see why they should do that again. Butch made that argument when he was still posting on this site. Apparently after 2000AD and Epic they had to pay for their own studio time and production and releasing costs. You know the ABB actually got out of the mood to put out new albums in 1995. After 1994's Where It All Begins, they only did one and it was done mostly to show they didn't need Dickey to do an album.
Warren and Derek and even Gregg decided there was no creative need to keep the Allman Brothers going by 2006 and they had a meeting and agreed they were end it after the 40fh anniversary shows in 2009. Great shows at the Beacon that year with Clapton and others who had played with Duane. But Butch Trucks got cold feet as Warren put it and pressed for 5 more years. So they played on until 2014 and Warren felt it was happening again so he and Derek went public that they were leaving the band after the 45th anniversary shows.
I don't know why Butch was like that but my guess and hunch was he needed the good paying shows to get his tax mess straighten out.
Butch was a great drummer and played hard for the band from the beginning. Butch apparently could never chill his anger and hatred for Dickey Betts and a few other people such as Ed King seemed to keep him steamed. It turned out to be a sad, sad story and situation for Butch. Butch was one of my heroes and favorites and so were Dickey and Gregg. I hated to see those guys like that... then Butch dying like he did. Well it's just awful. One thing for certain there was plenty of drama in the Allman Brothers beginning with Duane getting killed. And you know, it hurt that band. They would of had several more fantastic new albums if all that crap didn't keep coming around. Drugs? Alcohol? I guess.
But the young new generation Allman Brothers were full of energy and creativity like the old guys were in 1970. They wanted to record and grow and the old guys were not that motivated anymore to record new music.
Going to make this simple. I had more fun and thought the show on 3/10 was more fun and better than most of the ABB shows I saw from 20004-2014.
I did too Agerst1574. At the show I wasn't thinking I was actually seeing the Allman Brothers so it wasn't distracting not to hear Gregg and Dickey singing. At a Stones concert I want Mick to be there or why go.
That lineup was like the original Allman Brothers. They all came to play and free of negative thoughts and arguments and jealousies toward other guys on the stage. It does make a difference.
Likely the MSQ band was the only lineup completely free of any negative BS floating around in the stage since the original lineup.
You didn't detect any of that with the original band and the same at Madison Square Garden.
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Blackey you are doing a 180 degree about face from your post of 7/4? Why can't a group of musicians whom 5 out of 7 once played with the ABB call themselves the Brothers without you taking offense? Why don't you get we love the music not the label ? No one expected GA, DA, BO, DB or BT to show up!!! It was still great music.
. At a Stones concert I want Mick to be there or why go.
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Mick Taylor?
[Shooting for some irony...]
At the show I wasn't thinking I was actually seeing the Allman Brothers so it wasn't distracting not to hear Gregg and Dickey singing.
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I almost never go to a show and think that I am seeing some other band whose name was not on the tickets and advertisements. Is that just me?
I've seen the ABB about 40 times,
Interesting Boyton Brother. In your earlier - now deleted posts - you said you'd seen them at least 50 times. Hard to keep your stories straight, isn't it?
As for the post, people have been sharing their experiences since the week before the show happened. You're pretty nervy to ask them to repeat it all just for you because you hadn't returned in March.
what separated the 3/10 show from the '04-'14 lineup in your opinion?
The Spirit of Celebration
The One Night Only Setlist that had about Everything. How often do you get Dreams, Jessica, Mtn jam, Liz Reed and Whippin Post in the same show? Desdemona was one of my faves. So glad they had time for that one.
All of the players just effortlessly slaying each song like it was their last time to ever do it with that particular lineup.
Is it possible to search the setlist archive for more than one song at a time? I am trying but can't figure it out.
Going to make this simple. I had more fun and thought the show on 3/10 was more fun and better than most of the ABB shows I saw from 20004-2014.
Could you elaborate on why you think this? I wasn't able to attend the 3/10 show unfortunately, so I'm curious to hear details about what it was like inside and up close. From 2004-2014, I've seen the ABB about 40 times, so what separated the 3/10 show from the '04-'14 lineup in your opinion?
Since the question was in response to my post, I want to provide an answer. First off, the crowd was great. Wide spectrum of ages and just a joy to be around. There were a group of hasidics in front of me who were smoking weed and they offered me some but they were getting off on the music.
Someone stated it was a celebration, and it was. I had no problems with Greg’s vocals being handled by other people. Greg was hit and miss during the last ten years vocally. Reese and Chuck were terrific on the keyboards and the band was both loose but structured and not afraid to jam. Having listened to the show several times after seeing it live, the strength of the playing holds up. Just a spectacular show.
The first time I saw the band live was at the reunion gig in 1979 and I have seen them over 30 times. The show in March was perhaps the most joyful show I have seen this music live with the exception of the Clapton appearance I saw (2nd night) in 2009.
Celebration and joy. It was a reunion of friends as well as a tribute. The vibe coming off these friends was palpable.
They had also had a ton of time off from doing this, and that brought a freshness to it. I'm sure that knowing it was a one-off meant that they put everything that they had into it.
The presence of Chuck Leavell cannot be underestimated, either in musical talent or personal charisma.
Gregg may have been the heart and soul of the Allman Brothers Band, but in some ways, he was not in his prime in those last 10-12 years. His voice was not as strong, his command of lyrics was not always on, his timing....I do not want to turn this into a Greg bashing, but Warren as lead singer of this crew was in total command and 110% on his game, and that made this show very strong.
There was a real swagger onstage.
For years, Derek was often stoic and mostly motionless onstage. This was true with DTB as well as with ABB. However, as the TTB has grown, Derek's stage demeanor has changed markedly. He leads that band with his physical cues, he puts physical English on his licks, he moves all around, smiles, laughs, and at this Brothers show, he really had a swagger that he had not shown previously with the ABB.
Several have mentioned Gregg being disappointing and not up to par the last years of the ABB. One person just recently said on this thread the Beacon shows Gregg did not play during the last years were better than the one's he did play. Not a puriest position like I would take. I would rather hear the original band too old to bring it like younger replacements could bring it. I didn't get to hear the original band get old because two of them died at age 24. Butch and Jaimoe were still playing rather well but perhaps if they had lived, Duane and Berry would have been more like Dickey got and Gregg too as they moved into their 60's
But if you were following Butch Trucks on his blog from 2008 onward, some fans complained about Gregg's subpar performances which apparently were becoming more frequently noticed.
Butch seemed to love to answer fans questions but as things became more negative for Butch he eventually stopped doing it. I clearly remember Butch's response when he reacted to those occasional complaints. Butch Trucks: "If you don't like the way we sound or what songs we put in the set then please do not come to our shows. Also I have NO control over how Gregg Allman sounds or what he does or does not do. Zero control".
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He could still knock it out in his 60s, fortunately the shows he struggled were the exception, & on LCBlues, Southern Blood etc he sounds fantastic powerful & convincing as he ever did imo
All the bros, Duane & BO, Gregg & Butch, Lamar, Woody, Red Dog, Twiggs & all those guys - they would’ve been lighting up the spacious firmament w/happiness looking down at Jaimoe, Warren, Chuck & that crack band 3/10 -
no doubt Dickey was too if he was tuned in from Fla - super keyed to hear it
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