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It will be very interesting to see exactly what is on this release … the document states that the recordings are from shows played at Fillmore West on 29th, 30th & 31st Jan 1971 … yet the database here has a four show run from 28th to 31st.
Furthermore, Capt Skipper did work on these recordings for a proposed archival release a few years ago that got shelved and based upon his information there is no recording of the 29th show - which was also reputedly played at Winterland not Fillmore West.
The info gleaned from conversations with Skip and other venerable members of this site is as follows:
01/28/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post
01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)
Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.
There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.
It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.
01/30/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{Remastered Soundboard Recording}This show falls into a grey area with regards to tradability, as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles.
Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / Tuning / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Stormy Monday / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post
01/31/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (2 discs)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}The freely traded version of this show is an audience recording that has the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams … Disc 2 - You Don’t Love Me / Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post
There is a second version of this show however, which falls into a grey area with regards to tradability as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles with the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me … Disc 2 - Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post / One Way Out # / Mountain Jam #
# FillerTracks: “One Way Out” is from the 06/16/71 show at the Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham and “Mountain Jam” is from the 03/13/70 show at the Warehouse in New Orleans.
[Edited on 6/21/2019 by harvey]
Hi Colin! 
I strongly suspect that was it is are the 1/28, 1/30 & 1/31 Fillmore shows. Those three shows but not on consecutive nights due to the one off at Winterland on the 29th.
"Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?"
I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.
But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.
[Edited on 6/21/2019 by Randall]
[Edited on 6/21/2019 by Randall]
Just ordered via Big House website
Yay - Dig that shirt
[Edited on 6/21/2019 by scotiadave]
Ordered mine today. More Duane and the greatest band in the land.
below is info I saw...
Disc 1, 1/29/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
Disc 2, 1/30/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
Disc 3, 1/31/1971 Part I
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
Disc 4, 1/31/1971 Part II
Hot 'Lanta
Whipping Post
Bonus Track:
Mountain Jam Live At The Warehouse, New Orleans, LA 3/13/1970 (first release of this version)
I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.
But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.
What a complete effing shambles … I think that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 …
Sooo...exactly WHO is going to provide the DEFINITIVE answer(s) to the questions around these shows and the recordings thereof: ABB roadies?...curators/producers of this set, i.e., Bill Levenson; Kirk West or other historians of the band...ALL OF THE ABOVE???...Or is this NOT meant to be a comprehensive package a la The Complete Fillmore East Recordings?---will that package come at the 75th anniversary of the band??...Inquiring minds, fans, purchasers and otherwise, would like to know...After all, this is not the proverbial rocket science: legitimate research should be able to determine what's what, down to the finest detail, and if some contradictions of info remain after such research, LET US ALL KNOW!?!?!?....don't just trot it out there like it's the Holy Grail (you know who you are in that respect!!?!!)
I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.
I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.
I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.
If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.
[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]
I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.
But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.
Previous research suggests that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the recorded shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 … but it would be nice to know what info is available from the keepers of these master tapes … I was really hoping that this release would confirm the recording dates for us one way or another … but like all of us I am glad that the shows are finally being made available.
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
I am not sure they really know what dates they have as during the original Sirius broadcast Scamardo said it was from the 29th but Duane said they enjoyed the first 3 night so someone is confused.
I have confidence one of the hardcore collectors here will sort it out once we get these CD's and they can compare them to what they have in their collections.
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Is it too much to ask for definitive information in the liner notes accompanying this set???...NO!!!!!....This seemingly half-assed mess reminds me...AGAIN!!!....the ABB organization needs to hire its own David Lemieux....Holman!?!?!?....Lehman!?!?!?----SPEND THE MONEY!?!?!?!
Have to say I'm somewhat surprised by that cover art....just Duane. That seems to
go against everything that the original band represented. Just sayin'. Having said that,
I am slobbering in anticipation of it's release.
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?
In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?
As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?
In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?
As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
If only for the sake of those purchasers who are serious fans, perhaps the producers of the set--or individuals with equal or even greater credibility--can state unequivocally exactly what is in this set BEFORE it comes out!? Or are there too many involved too eager to just get it out rather than get it out right?
Since none of this has been officially soundboard source released, I'll buy it as a great addition. While date correctness would be really nice, I can't see how it will impact me one way or another. This stuff is from another era. Stuff scribbled on tape boxes. Tapes being passed around and held by different people over time. Maybe tapes got put in wrong boxes. Factor in a couple to few reels per show. Not sure why tape trading dates should be trusted over any other. I would take all with a grain of salt.
I didn't glean that anything analog pure was being released. Still happy with any sonic release.
Only Duane on the cover of the set. That is interesting. When the band had just formed and eventually drifted up to Macon, Phil Walden wasn't expecting 6 men and his contract was with Duane. Phil introduced Duane to Jaimoe telling him to see if he fits what you are doing and Phil knew Duane had his eye on the bass player in a Florida band and that was it other than knowing they were going to do some recording for a possible first album.
They were close to calling the band Beelzebub but Phil wanted Duane's name involved. They then decided on the Allman Brothers Bsnd and when the first album came out inside is a picture of just Gregg and Duane together. Heard from several sources in very early 1970 that Duane got irritated and bitched at Phil. Duane said he decided a 3 piece Cream or Hendrix style band wasn't what was happening for him and they are promoting themselves as 6 equals and please in the future have all 6 of us in every picture.
But that was 49 years ago. Just having Duane on the cover is a statement. That this is the real Allman Brothers Band. After October 1971 I always felt seeing the Allman Brothers without Duane Allman is like seeing the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger or Led Zeppelin without Jimmy Page. You are not getting the full effect. The pure stuff. I feel that way about LS without Ronnie. I continued to see every later lineup though. Much of the time it was still real good but you still knew you were seeing a band minus it's soul and inspiration. I'm buying this set because it's the original lineup...the pure real deal Allman Brothers.
No vinyl. That's a real bummer. All my new "hard copy" purchases are vinyl these days. I do not even have a working CD player anymore.
Why Duane only on the artwork? I think it is because Duane is recognizable and will tell buyers the music includes him. I am speculating it is for marketing purposes.
It would be like a Queen box set with just Mercury's pic on the cover. It help sell product.
I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.
I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.
If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.
[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]
I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Am I virtually alone in that regard?
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by DOVETAIL]
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?
In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?
As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]
As I stated before, hoping I am not in such a small minority, I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Might be a good project for John Lynskey, so he has some hard and fast facts to share if he is to author an essay for the liner notes!??
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by DOVETAIL]
I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.
I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.
If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.
[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]
I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document.
Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.
Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.
Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.
Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?
None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.
Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.
A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.
Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.
Thanks Colin.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.
Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.
Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.
Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened. And do you think like Dickey or Jaimoe would remember? Doubt it.
I wonder if Kirk West might know?
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.
Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.
Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.
Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened.
I wonder if Kirk West might know?
I understand it bothers some if the dates are not accurate as we love the band and that type of information adds to our enjoyment of our listening experience.
My only point is I can't see the band or management putting a lot of time and money to pay people to research this information when it adds no value to their product they are trying to sell. The hardcore fans may bitch about the inaccuracy but in the end, we are all buying this release anyway so where is the payback for the Band/ Management?
And as someone pointed out who is still around from the time of those recordings who even knows that information. The boxes for these shows were found in someone's closet so who knows if the dates on the boxes are accurate or if the tapes in the box are even from those dates?
For anyone who has the excellent Hittin The Note mag with the articles on the making of the Fillmore East box set you can read about the nightmare Bill Levenson had tracking down all the tapes from those concerts and the monumental task he had verifying content and dates played. And these are tapes held in Major Record label vaults so imagine trying to verify the provenance of tapes someone had stashed in their closet for 40 years. Add that to the fact that this is not a major label release so I can't see there being financial support to do the required research.
For those upset about the dates being wrong why not look at it as a challenge to research based on what know and comparing to any audience tapes to solve the mystery for the rest of the fans?
If I had copies of all the CaptSkipper remasters and any audience tapes I would give it a try myself as I love a mystery and it would be a fun weekend project while enjoying my favorite beverage.
[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]
I ordered mine. So glad to be having some unheard original 6 music.... 😛
And I too hate there is stuff in the can somewhere that likely won't be released. Just can't understand WHY ??
