I don't mean to speak ill ... I was never really a fan - just not my cup o' stuff. But from the stuff that I read about the guy over the years all I can ask is, "is anybody really surprised?" Condolences to his family, friends, fans and loved ones.

Grunge sure ended up having one seriously high mortality rate. 🙁

Andrew Wood
Kurt Cobain
Layne Staley
Kristen Pfaff
Mike Starr
Scott Weiland

RIP

Same for rock...

Just look from 69-73

Brian Jones
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Duane Allman
Berry Oakley
Gram Parsons
Ron McKernan

That's just off the top of my head... and those are all time greats who died in a very short period of time.

I saw STP open for Aerosmith in 2002 and they were good, but I remember thinking I'd be shocked if Weiland lasted through 2002 much less until 2015. Maybe the person to live the rock star lifestyle in public.

Use to say the same stuff about Keef 40 years ago...
Some make it, some don't. 🙁

Addictions a bitch you take it with you no matter where you go maybe now he's at peace very sad indeed.

He seems to have had very profound mental health issues and the drugs were very likely a form of self medication.

Same for rock...

Just look from 69-73

Brian Jones
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Duane Allman
Berry Oakley
Gram Parsons
Ron McKernan

That's just off the top of my head... and those are all time greats who died in a very short period of time.

I saw STP open for Aerosmith in 2002 and they were good, but I remember thinking I'd be shocked if Weiland lasted through 2002 much less until 2015. Maybe the person to live the rock star lifestyle in public.

Wasn't really trying to make that kind of comparison or minimize anyone else that died.

No, I didn't take it that way. I was just pointing out the music industry and how you can take really any point in time and find it's tragedies.

Grunge sure ended up having one seriously high mortality rate.

Was STP really a grunge band? I was never really much of a fan, but I thought they (unfairly?) got lumped in with grunge bands b/c they broke in the early 90s in a post-Nirvana world. But they seemed more like a throwback straight-up 1970s hard rock band.

Anyway, sad. I had hoped Velvet Revolver would've patched things up a few years ago after the STP reunion fell apart.

Can't say I was surprised when I saw the headline this morning.

RIP Crackerman, glad I saw you 3x

I only saw STP once but is was an awesome show. RIP Scott

I only saw STP once but is was an awesome show. RIP Scott

Saw and met him with all the various bands a number of times. Sad.

Half the time he was fine but maybe a bit "different". The other half he was wired for sound and a couple of those occasions were the supposed straight years. I hope he is at peace. I have always thought that he blew a dream away that millions would kill to have. Look at both those lists of names. Drugs are bad and people never seem to figure that out.

Grunge and other terms are just marketing and really have little meaning towards the music. Pearl Jam and Nirvana sound nothing alike and yet are grunge. STP's first album was a complete clone of Pearl Jam so if Pearl Jam is then they must be. Later albums sounded different but then so did Pearl Jam. I call it all Rock.

RIP

Totally disagree about STP's first album Core being a Pearl jam clone. I would take Core over any of those "Grunge" rock bands albums anyday including Nevermind By Nirvana. The Anger and power of Core just makes it stand out.

Then you would be just about the only person to think that. Same production sound, same producer and Scott was doing his best Eddie Vedder imitation throughout the entire album.

It is a great album. Great songs. But they were ripped for coping the sound and style by the media and fans. Due mostly to the vocals.

Amazed that you don't hear it. Again you would be pretty much alone with that belief.

Early in their career, the band was considered to be a part of the grunge movement. Despite assertions by critics that their style in the early 90s was derived from contemporary artists such as Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam, the band maintained that the similarities were coincidental, due in part to having the same musical idols growing up. Much of the comparison was directed at Weiland's vocal style drawing similarities to that of Eddie Vedder's.

I just don't hear any similarity between Eddie and Scott Canadianmule, I have always enjoyed your posts on this forum and I am not cutting your opinion down by any means, peace Bro.

I would have agreed had you said Eddie Vedder and Scott Stapp instead of Weiland, but vocally even on Core I don't hear similarity in the two voices at all. Musically they are a little closer.

Maybe on Wicked Garden I could see it.

I just don't hear any similarity between Eddie and Scott Canadianmule, I have always enjoyed your posts on this forum and I am not cutting your opinion down by any means, peace Bro.

I didn't take it that way. Sorry if I seemed aggressive with the reply. Just meant that it was popular opinion and was a knock on them when it was released. Media and reviews ripped them for it. We all have opinions and musically I never get upset. If we all agree then it would get pretty boring. You are obviously not alone as WarEagleRK is with you although I think he is starting to come around. 😉

Wicked Garden is one example for sure. Sin, Naked Sunday (sounds like Why), Creep, Piece of Pie ---- Hell the whole thing. The vocal stylings and patterns are all over it. A big part is also the producer who helped them both arrange the tunes and very similar drum sound.

Plush

If you can't hear it then you never will guys. But I can't see how. 😛

It's Sad 🙁

I really never got into the whole early 90's bands like Pearl Jam,Nirvana,Soundgarden and etc....
Grunge was really not my cup of tea. I did like a few songs here and there, but that was the extent of it. Big fan of Cornell's vocals. That guy can bring it.

I am not sure if I can classify STP as grunge, but of all of those bands coming up during that area, I liked STP the best.

I have heard alot of people comment on how STP/Weiland soundedl ike Pearl Jam. I never got/heard the comparison to my ears. If anything,IMHO, Weiland is a much better singer than Veder. The only thing I like about PJ is that Mike McCready has a UFO tribute band called Flight To Mars. 😉 😉 😉 😛 😛

Lights Out

Like I said, I was never a fan. When I heard "Plush", my first thoughts were "Pearl Jam wannabes". I remember reading an interview with Eddie Vedder and he kind of felt ... plagiarized. He had some unkind things to say about Stone Temple Pilots.
Yeah, I heard some Pearl Jam similarities. Maybe Vedder should have taken it as a compliment - for being an influence. Some of the other STP stuff that I heard (and I haven't heard that much) did not sound like Pearl Jam - to me.

IMO the big difference between STP and the grunge pack was Dean Deleo's guitar - better than Cantrell and as unique as Thayhill's in a rock-n-roll sort of way. Unfortunately or evidently (however you look at it) Weiland's vocals were just as important as STP never achieved anywhere near the success without him. Grunge reminded me of punk in that musicianship seemed frowned upon i.e. Pearl Jam, Nirvana. It was obvious that STP/DeLeo had skills. I thought STP was closer to the Spin Doctors because of the great guitar. (I'm not sure if STP and Spin Doctors are the same time frame.) Grunge and great guitar really didn't go together. Again my .02. 😉

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So sad. What a talent! Unfortunately,this was not that surprising. Got to see STP a few years back with him at the helm. He was interesting to say the least in his shiny suit,makeup & short hair. Seeing him,he sort of reminded me of Bowie in his early years as a chameleon,in that regards. His timing was impeccable & the show was really enjoyable,they had more hits than I thought.But I always regarded STP as a rock band with maybe a bit of alternative in there.(just my opinion). Scott Weiland will surely be missed. RIP!

You know,come to think of it,this could just as easily been David Bowie years ago passing. Somehow he managed to survive like Keith. Sadly some aren't so fortunate.

The only STP album that really got the STP tag was the first one. They made the 2nd with that in mind.

DeLeo is a good guitar player who can't play a lead. Which is fine.

I much prefer the two from Pearl Jam especially live. Those boys are great players and are unlike all the "grunge bands" because they solo and improve live.

I always felt bad for the rest of STP as they were robbed of much of their career and success sitting around waiting for Scott to clean up.

The band that I really never got was Velvet Revolver. You would think that a bunch of ex-junkies would know better and stear clear of that mess. Cost them their chance at sustained success also.

I just don't hear any similarity between Eddie and Scott Canadianmule, I have always enjoyed your posts on this forum and I am not cutting your opinion down by any means, peace Bro.

I didn't take it that way. Sorry if I seemed aggressive with the reply. Just meant that it was popular opinion and was a knock on them when it was released. Media and reviews ripped them for it. We all have opinions and musically I never get upset. If we all agree then it would get pretty boring. You are obviously not alone as WarEagleRK is with you although I think he is starting to come around. 😉

Wicked Garden is one example for sure. Sin, Naked Sunday (sounds like Why), Creep, Piece of Pie ---- Hell the whole thing. The vocal stylings and patterns are all over it. A big part is also the producer who helped them both arrange the tunes and very similar drum sound.

Plush

If you can't hear it then you never will guys. But I can't see how. 😛

No problem man, To me Weiland, vedder, Cobain, Cornell, Staley and Stapp have there own voice. Like no others before them, I loved that musical movement in the early 90's when it happened. Now it seems the next movement is happening in bands like Rival sons, scorpion child, monster truck to name just a few. There is starting to become some good stuff on the horizon.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207

Scott Weiland's Family: 'Don't Glorify This Tragedy'

A letter from late singer’s ex-wife, Mary Weiland, on behalf of his two children

By Mary Forsberg Weiland December 7, 2015

Mary Forsberg Weiland is the mother of the late singer Scott Weiland's teenage children, Noah, 15, and Lucy, 13. She wrote this with their help in the days after his death on Dec 3rd.

December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.

We don't want to downplay Scott's amazing talent, presence or his ability to light up any stage with brilliant electricity. So many people have been gracious enough to praise his gift. The music is here to stay. But at some point, someone needs to step up and point out that yes, this will happen again – because as a society we almost encourage it. We read awful show reviews, watch videos of artists falling down, unable to recall their lyrics streaming on a teleprompter just a few feet away. And then we click "add to cart" because what actually belongs in a hospital is now considered art.

Many of these artists have children. Children with tears in their eyes, experiencing panic because their cries go unheard. You might ask, "How were we to know? We read that he loved spending time with his children and that he'd been drug-free for years!" In reality, what you didn't want to acknowledge was a paranoid man who couldn't remember his own lyrics and who was only photographed with his children a handful of times in 15 years of fatherhood. I've always wanted to share more than anyone was comfortable with. When writing a book years ago, it pained me to sometimes gloss over so much grief and struggle, but I did what I thought was best for Noah and Lucy. I knew they would one day see and feel everything that I'd been trying to shield them from, and that they'd eventually be brave enough to say, "That mess was our father. We loved him, but a deep-rooted mix of love and disappointment made up the majority of our relationship with him."

Even after Scott and I split up, I spent countless hours trying to calm his paranoid fits, pushing him into the shower and filling him with coffee, just so that I could drop him into the audience at Noah's talent show, or Lucy's musical. Those short encounters were my attempts at giving the kids a feeling of normalcy with their dad. But anything longer would often turn into something scary and uncomfortable for them. Spending so many years immersed in Scott's multiple illnesses led to my own depression; at one point, I was misdiagnosed as bipolar. I feared the same would happen to the children. There were times that Child Protective Services did not allow him to to be alone with them.

When Scott did move on to another relationship, I hoped it would inspire him to grow. I had often encouraged him to date a "normal" girl, a woman who was also a mother, someone who had the energy that I no longer had to love him. Instead, when he remarried, the children were replaced. They were not invited to his wedding; child support checks often never arrived. Our once sweet Catholic boy refused to watch the kids participate in Christmas Eve plays because he was now an atheist. They have never set foot into his house, and they can't remember the last time they saw him on a Father's Day. I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes. If you do, please acknowledge them and their experience. Offer to accompany them to the father-daughter dance, or teach them to throw a football. Even the bravest girl or boy will refrain from asking for something like that; they may be ashamed, or not want to inconvenience you. Just offer – or even insist if you have to.

This is the final step in our long goodbye to Scott. Even though I felt we had no other choice, maybe we never should have let him go. Or maybe these last few years of separation were his parting gift to us – the only way he could think to soften what he knew would one day crush us deep into our souls. Over the last few years, I could hear his sadness and confusion when he'd call me late into the night, often crying about his inability to separate himself from negative people and bad choices. I won't say he can rest now, or that he's in a better place. He belongs with his children barbecuing in the backyard and waiting for a Notre Dame game to come on. We are angry and sad about this loss, but we are most devastated that he chose to give up.

Noah and Lucy never sought perfection from their dad. They just kept hoping for a little effort. If you're a parent not giving your best effort, all anyone asks is that you try just a little harder and don't give up. Progress, not perfection, is what your children are praying for. Our hope for Scott has died, but there is still hope for others. Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it. Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it – use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream.

I really liked STP and I enjoyed what Scott Weiland brought to the table. I always thought he was one of the better frontmen in rock n roll. To me he sounds nothing like Eddie Vedder, nor do their songs. Scott Weiland like a cross between David Bowie and Jim Morrison. I got the chance to see them many years ago in NY City at Iriving plaza I believe and the show was top notch. They opened with Shine on you Crazy Diamond and proceeded to play so many hits I forgot they sang. It's a tragedy. Bright stars burnout quicker sometimes. There's a great DVD that came out with one of his cds that has tons of footage from many concerts and you can see the many faces of scott Weiland.

Scott Weiland's Family: 'Don't Glorify This Tragedy'

A letter from late singer’s ex-wife, Mary Weiland, on behalf of his two children

By Mary Forsberg Weiland December 7, 2015

Mary Forsberg Weiland is the mother of the late singer Scott Weiland's teenage children, Noah, 15, and Lucy, 13. She wrote this with their help in the days after his death on Dec 3rd.

December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.

We don't want to downplay Scott's amazing talent, presence or his ability to light up any stage with brilliant electricity. So many people have been gracious enough to praise his gift. The music is here to stay. But at some point, someone needs to step up and point out that yes, this will happen again – because as a society we almost encourage it. We read awful show reviews, watch videos of artists falling down, unable to recall their lyrics streaming on a teleprompter just a few feet away. And then we click "add to cart" because what actually belongs in a hospital is now considered art.

Many of these artists have children. Children with tears in their eyes, experiencing panic because their cries go unheard. You might ask, "How were we to know? We read that he loved spending time with his children and that he'd been drug-free for years!" In reality, what you didn't want to acknowledge was a paranoid man who couldn't remember his own lyrics and who was only photographed with his children a handful of times in 15 years of fatherhood. I've always wanted to share more than anyone was comfortable with. When writing a book years ago, it pained me to sometimes gloss over so much grief and struggle, but I did what I thought was best for Noah and Lucy. I knew they would one day see and feel everything that I'd been trying to shield them from, and that they'd eventually be brave enough to say, "That mess was our father. We loved him, but a deep-rooted mix of love and disappointment made up the majority of our relationship with him."

Even after Scott and I split up, I spent countless hours trying to calm his paranoid fits, pushing him into the shower and filling him with coffee, just so that I could drop him into the audience at Noah's talent show, or Lucy's musical. Those short encounters were my attempts at giving the kids a feeling of normalcy with their dad. But anything longer would often turn into something scary and uncomfortable for them. Spending so many years immersed in Scott's multiple illnesses led to my own depression; at one point, I was misdiagnosed as bipolar. I feared the same would happen to the children. There were times that Child Protective Services did not allow him to to be alone with them.

When Scott did move on to another relationship, I hoped it would inspire him to grow. I had often encouraged him to date a "normal" girl, a woman who was also a mother, someone who had the energy that I no longer had to love him. Instead, when he remarried, the children were replaced. They were not invited to his wedding; child support checks often never arrived. Our once sweet Catholic boy refused to watch the kids participate in Christmas Eve plays because he was now an atheist. They have never set foot into his house, and they can't remember the last time they saw him on a Father's Day. I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes. If you do, please acknowledge them and their experience. Offer to accompany them to the father-daughter dance, or teach them to throw a football. Even the bravest girl or boy will refrain from asking for something like that; they may be ashamed, or not want to inconvenience you. Just offer – or even insist if you have to.

This is the final step in our long goodbye to Scott. Even though I felt we had no other choice, maybe we never should have let him go. Or maybe these last few years of separation were his parting gift to us – the only way he could think to soften what he knew would one day crush us deep into our souls. Over the last few years, I could hear his sadness and confusion when he'd call me late into the night, often crying about his inability to separate himself from negative people and bad choices. I won't say he can rest now, or that he's in a better place. He belongs with his children barbecuing in the backyard and waiting for a Notre Dame game to come on. We are angry and sad about this loss, but we are most devastated that he chose to give up.

Noah and Lucy never sought perfection from their dad. They just kept hoping for a little effort. If you're a parent not giving your best effort, all anyone asks is that you try just a little harder and don't give up. Progress, not perfection, is what your children are praying for. Our hope for Scott has died, but there is still hope for others. Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it. Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it – use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream.

That was REALLY great and thanks for posting. A very real wake up call.

I had a hard time getting through that letter. Very moving. Heartbreaking.