DMB
Soundgarden
NIN
Whitney Houston
MC5
Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Influence is judged how? LOL - they use that as part of their excuse for not entering some and for entering others.
Cover song? It shows that you didn't have enough tunes for the album.
Again you can write the best song ever but that one song does not make you a HOFer.
Not saying any band is good or bad, they just don't all belong in a HOF because you like their songs.
I loved hundreds of athletes that never made a HOF. Were they bad players? Hell no! They made the major leagues.
We can discuss it all again after a guy gets in and his biggest accomplishment was getting shot.
motley crue left off several hits on a greatest hits album to cover a sex pistols song because they didn't have enough songs?
motorhead head problems coming up with enough songs for albums? not a chance
bands perform cover songs as tributes sometimes
They left it off to make it different than the other Greatest Hits packages. LOL
Lemmy is on all those Tribute albums that came out. Covering tons of artists. Why? It paid for drinks.
the velvet underground, ramones, stooges, sex pistols and buffalo springfield
One of those bands is not like the others? Do you know which one and why?
...it's called The Grammy's.
Clearly you are lost. LOL - The Grammy's are for one year. There are a hundred other reasons but I will stop there.
.well, I guess I can't speak for others, but for me, they are trite and lifeless
Your opinion and all that is. I believe you wrote.
If your favorite band is not in, then the hall is a joke, even if they don't fit the criteria or another band fit it better?
So the artists that win a Grammy are not who you would pick? You have to admit that is funny.
You two debate this with me which is fun but what is the alternative you suggest? Anything else is exactly how it operates now.
Who are these bands that you are trying to protect from stats? I bet most get in based on stats.
Pick a genre and look who the Top selling artists are for that genre. You will agree every time that they are deserving of the HOF.
Would any other HOF enter a person after a single year/season? The mere suggestion would be comical.
Hall Of Fame means Elite. If everyone who plugged in and played a chord is elite than fine.
Now a different HOF debate
Who should be included when a band with multiple members is picked?
There is no logic each year on who gets in and who doesn't.
Also should people being included after a band has been inducted? For instance, should Warren, Derek, Oteil and Marc be added into the ABB. The "Toler" Years were not many so maybe understandable there. But the last lineup was together a long time.
Damn CM, AJ was being very civil offering terms and you go and cut loose the broadside.
Influence is judged how? LOL - they use that as part of their excuse for not entering some and for entering others.
Cover song? It shows that you didn't have enough tunes for the album.
Again you can write the best song ever but that one song does not make you a HOFer.
Not saying any band is good or bad, they just don't all belong in a HOF because you like their songs.
I loved hundreds of athletes that never made a HOF. Were they bad players? Hell no! They made the major leagues.
We can discuss it all again after a guy gets in and his biggest accomplishment was getting shot.
motley crue left off several hits on a greatest hits album to cover a sex pistols song because they didn't have enough songs?
motorhead head problems coming up with enough songs for albums? not a chance
bands perform cover songs as tributes sometimes
They left it off to make it different than the other Greatest Hits packages. LOL
Lemmy is on all those Tribute albums that came out. Covering tons of artists. Why? It paid for drinks.
the velvet underground, ramones, stooges, sex pistols and buffalo springfield
One of those bands is not like the others? Do you know which one and why?
...it's called The Grammy's.
Clearly you are lost. LOL - The Grammy's are for one year. There are a hundred other reasons but I will stop there.
.well, I guess I can't speak for others, but for me, they are trite and lifeless
Your opinion and all that is. I believe you wrote.
If your favorite band is not in, then the hall is a joke, even if they don't fit the criteria or another band fit it better?
So the artists that win a Grammy are not who you would pick? You have to admit that is funny.
You two debate this with me which is fun but what is the alternative you suggest? Anything else is exactly how it operates now.
Who are these bands that you are trying to protect from stats? I bet most get in based on stats.
Pick a genre and look who the Top selling artists are for that genre. You will agree every time that they are deserving of the HOF.
Would any other HOF enter a person after a single year/season? The mere suggestion would be comical.
Hall Of Fame means Elite. If everyone who plugged in and played a chord is elite than fine.
so the crue released their first greatest hits package and left off hits and added 4 new tunes including a cover of the sex pistols to make it different from future hits albums they guessed they would release that oh by the way most of them include the cover of anarchy in the uk? the song is on 6 different crue releases. you notice the members of the crue, joan jett, megadeth and madonna were all around the same age when the sex pistols album came out?
And btw,, read this then let's talk about Buffalo Springfield - as phony and contrived as The Monkees.
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/laurelcanyon/
You're all just sore that Robert Johnson got in but Ted Nugent will never get in, even if there are no rocknrollers left.
He will get in as a member of the influential Amboy Dukes.
Mötly Crüe, Jöan Jëtt, Mëtallicä, and Mädönna.
Little did I know when I originally arrived here in search of Watkins Glen tapes that I had fallen into rocknroll hell.
And btw,, read this then let's talk about Buffalo Springfield - as phony and contrived as The Monkees.
If the members did not go on to other successful careers there would be no demand for the HOF.
Ok Matt so the criteria for the Sex Pistols gaining HOF status is that Motley Crue likes them. Well cool m- who else does Motley Crue like?
Perfect example - you would put Motley Crue in the HOF i'm sure. Nails on a chalk board to me. I would not let them use the washroom at the HOF.
But using stats - they will get in.
Mötly Crüe, Jöan Jëtt, Mëtallicä, and Mädönna.
Little did I know when I originally arrived here in search of Watkins Glen tapes that I had fallen into rocknroll hell.
When you enter Hell and you are still alive..........never a good thing.
We are all chatting on a board of a band that is trite and lifeless unless The ABB immediately return their Grammy Award.
Did Bob Marley get in RRHOF? Seems a shoe in on stats, influence, coolness or whatever criteria is the flavor of the day at Jann's treehouse club.
You're all just sore that Robert Johnson got in but Ted Nugent will never get in, even if there are no rocknrollers left.
He will get in as a member of the influential Amboy Dukes.
he might you never know.
i mean i'm a huge new york jets fan and joe namath is in the hall of fame without having a career full of hall of fame worthy stats. go take a look. he barely completed 50% of his passes, threw almost 70 more INTs than TDs, played about 150 games total. take a look if you think i'm wrong yet he made it into a stat based hall of fame for 3 reasons.
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game persona
The discussion is going around in a repetitive circle - occasionally fun/informative but getting beaten into the ground
Especially when some clown from a center of informed America in Laurel Canyon tries to tell me the Buffalo Springfield was as phony and contrived as the Monkees
It’s all subjective & to each their own - but they’re obviously not informed about music
Re covers, 9 out of 10 bands in history, incl those in the HOF, covered other material
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CM wrote:
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If Taco Bell would not be up for a Culinary HOF but a fast food HOF, James Patterson would not be up for a literary HOF but a beach read HOF.
He does win Publishers' Awards for sales, but he will never win an award based on literary quality, just like Taco Bell will never win an award for culinary quality; that is why an earlier poster suggested that we already
have the Grammys to celebrate artists who sell a lot of records.
In a related vein, the Academy Awards almost never go to the superhero movies or big special effects movies that sell a zillion tickets and even become lasting franchises, and most people understand that just fine.
Taco Bell? Twilight? Huh? Wha?
Here is another angle: It is a Hall of FAME, correct? It follows then that FAME be the main criteria. Not popularity, sales, talent, influence, and other secondary concerns.
Concerning Namath - 2 of your 3 reasons are stats. LOL
James Patterson - Literary Awards - That would be a matter of taste. Pretty much the same as music so we could debate that all day. The sales are undeniable. Maybe the writing is below War and Peace or some other book that someone told us is better written. Opinion and nothing more. The best book? One that people read otherwise it is literary masturbation. Same goes for music - why release something? To get as many people as possible to hear, like and buy the music.
Taco Bell - not sure there is actual food in there.
Academy Awards - Another group of People that base an Award on nothing more than whether they think it is good or not. If you disagree then it means "you know nothing.".
Each year when they announce their Nominees - people don't even know most of the movies anymore. May be great movies but if no ones watches it...........
Again Annual Award and based on "Insider" knowledge. Most people don't even remember who won the year before anymore. At least the Grammy's use stats although we could debate about which stats they use.
But Academy Awards are not the Movie HOF but just as snobby as the R&R HOF.
I could beg but don't make me. What act/acts are you trying to protect from dreaded statistics?
If the current method is no good and stats are no good then what would you propose?
Stephen
It is a horse but the only one we have. Without some fun here, there would be no posts yesterday.
Concerning Namath - 2 of your 3 reasons are stats. LOL
James Patterson - Literary Awards - That would be a matter of taste. Pretty much the same as music so we could debate that all day. The sales are undeniable. Maybe the writing is below War and Peace or some other book that someone told us is better written. Opinion and nothing more. The best book? One that people read otherwise it is literary masturbation. Same goes for music - why release something? To get as many people as possible to hear, like and buy the music.
Taco Bell - not sure there is actual food in there.
Academy Awards - Another group of People that base an Award on nothing more than whether they think it is good or not. If you disagree then it means "you know nothing.".
Each year when they announce their Nominees - people don't even know most of the movies anymore. May be great movies but if no ones watches it...........
Again Annual Award and based on "Insider" knowledge. Most people don't even remember who won the year before anymore. At least the Grammy's use stats although we could debate about which stats they use.
But Academy Awards are not the Movie HOF but just as snobby as the R&R HOF.
I could beg but don't make me. What act/acts are you trying to protect from dreaded statistics?
If the current method is no good and stats are no good then what would you propose?
Stephen
It is a horse but the only one we have. Without some fun here, there would be no posts yesterday.
I clearly say he doesn't have a CAREER of hall of fame stats which he doesn't. you keep talking about CAREER this and CAREER that for bands going into the rock n roll hall of fame and I showed there are athletes in pro sports halls that are in because of cherry picked things and to be honest winning 1 SB and being the first to do something isn't really a "stat" that means anything. that's like saying the first person to hit an NBA 3 or dunk are hall of fame worthy basketball players.
by the logic being used here are rock n roll hall of fame worthy artists based of album sales, ticket sales and career longevity
ted nugent
ratt
motley crue
styx
here are artists who shouldn't be in the hall of fame based on that same criteria
velvet underground
the stooges
the ramones
buffalo springfield
What about NRBQ - relatively unknown, been around for decades, their 50th anniversary release was recently mentioned....
Their HOF is in the hearts & ears of their few fans 
- their 1969-89 comp :Ilike: - now a 50th year one - I feel old 😉 - ‘where does the time go’
What about NRBQ - relatively unknown, been around for decades, their 50th anniversary release was recently mentioned....
Their HOF is in the hearts & ears of their few fans
NRBQ! They deserve their own museum! I am partial to the Big Al Anderson years, but they've always been an amazing band!
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game persona
I meant two of your three reasons are stat based.
velvet underground
the stooges
the ramones
buffalo springfield
The Ramones toured endlessly.
All of the other three bands are known because of who was in the band and their continued career. We could debate their entries all day.
If Iggy, Lou Reed, Stllls and Young don't go on to have careers then none would be in.
ted nugent
ratt
motley crue
styx
Ratt not close in sales or tickets. Opening act.
Ted - compared to many in the HOF - he should be. If he could keep his mouth shut then he likely already would be.
Motley likely will be one day.
Styx - would likely be on a border. Again a more worthy selection than many in. I saw a show this year and still about 12000 there.
So should musicians like Warren, Derek etc be Inducted when bands that they play/played in continued after Induction?
How does the HOF look at two guys that were in Motorhead for almost 20 - 30 years and not include them? They are the only ones actually still alive to stand and accept.
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game personaI meant two of your three reasons are stat based.
velvet underground
the stooges
the ramones
buffalo springfieldThe Ramones toured endlessly.
All of the other three bands are known because of who was in the band and their continued career. We could debate their entries all day.
If Iggy, Lou Reed, Stllls and Young don't go on to have careers then none would be in.
ted nugent
ratt
motley crue
styxRatt not close in sales or tickets. Opening act.
Ted - compared to many in the HOF - he should be. If he could keep his mouth shut then he likely already would be.
Motley likely will be one day.
Styx - would likely be on a border. Again a more worthy selection than many in. I saw a show this year and still about 12000 there.
ratt has sold over 11 million albums in the usa. ratt were a huge draw from 1985-1990 with bon jovi opening for them in 1985 and even selling out MSG in 1987. that's more sales in albums and tickets than a lot of the artists already in the hall of fame
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game personaI meant two of your three reasons are stat based.
velvet underground
the stooges
the ramones
buffalo springfieldThe Ramones toured endlessly.
All of the other three bands are known because of who was in the band and their continued career. We could debate their entries all day.
If Iggy, Lou Reed, Stllls and Young don't go on to have careers then none would be in.
ted nugent
ratt
motley crue
styxRatt not close in sales or tickets. Opening act.
Ted - compared to many in the HOF - he should be. If he could keep his mouth shut then he likely already would be.
Motley likely will be one day.
Styx - would likely be on a border. Again a more worthy selection than many in. I saw a show this year and still about 12000 there.
ratt has sold over 11 million albums in the usa. ratt were a huge draw from 1985-1990 with bon jovi opening for them in 1985 and even selling out MSG in 1987. that's more sales in albums and tickets than a lot of the artists already in the hall of fame
I agree that there are many in that should not be. That has been my point. But that doesn't mean that Ratt does though.
Playing bars since the 80s. Not a HUGE draw as you are selling them as. I have seen them many times and always as an opener.
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game personaI meant two of your three reasons are stat based.
velvet underground
the stooges
the ramones
buffalo springfieldThe Ramones toured endlessly.
All of the other three bands are known because of who was in the band and their continued career. We could debate their entries all day.
If Iggy, Lou Reed, Stllls and Young don't go on to have careers then none would be in.
ted nugent
ratt
motley crue
styxRatt not close in sales or tickets. Opening act.
Ted - compared to many in the HOF - he should be. If he could keep his mouth shut then he likely already would be.
Motley likely will be one day.
Styx - would likely be on a border. Again a more worthy selection than many in. I saw a show this year and still about 12000 there.
ratt has sold over 11 million albums in the usa. ratt were a huge draw from 1985-1990 with bon jovi opening for them in 1985 and even selling out MSG in 1987. that's more sales in albums and tickets than a lot of the artists already in the hall of fame
I agree that there are many in that should not be. That has been my point. But that doesn't mean that Ratt does though.
Playing bars since the 80s. Not a HUGE draw as you are selling them as. I have seen them many times and always as an opener.
yes since the 80's they have been doing clubs and theaters except for 3 different years they were co headliners of tours . one year was with poison and they played the 15,000 shed summer circuit. can't remember the other 2 but I remember them doing 3 co headline tours of the summer sheds. and no ratt shouldn't be in. was just saying based on sales and tickets they have more than people already in
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You're all just sore that Robert Johnson got in but Ted Nugent will never get in, even if there are no rocknrollers left.
He will get in as a member of the influential Amboy Dukes.
he might you never know.
i mean i'm a huge new york jets fan and joe namath is in the hall of fame without having a career full of hall of fame worthy stats. go take a look. he barely completed 50% of his passes, threw almost 70 more INTs than TDs, played about 150 games total. take a look if you think i'm wrong yet he made it into a stat based hall of fame for 3 reasons.
1 being the first pro QB to throw for over 4,000 yards
2 winning that SB and helping give legitimacy to the AFL
3 he had a larger than the game persona
Namath was more than that to the game of football. Saw this long ago - In between chasing women and club hopping, Namath put a lot of time and importance to studying game tapes, not something many players did back then. Prior to SB III, Namath discovered the Colts only used 5 different defensive sets. He learned to recognize them, and he became the 1st QB to change the play at the line of scrimmage, based on what defense the Colts presented.
Meanwhile, Suzi Quattro bitching she's not in.
Whoa! Suzi Quattro! Man I forgot all about Suzi! Yeah for sure, if influence is any criteria she wrote the book on toughchick, wave her in!
Pleased to see some love for Ratt here - this thread is unearthing some real treasures.
Her cover of All Shook Up was all over the radio, great version too - don’t know what else she did, but isn’t there a one hit wonder section too (in HOF)
She & Mark “The Bird” Fidrych are one hit wonders - do they belong in the HOF - no, unless it was for 1 hit wonders, or popularity
Good post on Broadway Joe, on popularity alone he belonged but he brought it on the field too - he & Bobby Orr, what coulda been w/out those bad knees
Interesting list of nominees for the rock HOF
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Cool thread. Interesting in that the initial idea behind the RRHOF was to Honor those who were responsible for getting the whole thing started....We can all agree on who they are/were...
Chuck Berry
Fats Domino
Little Richard
Jerry Lee Lewis
etc.
Now?....Is this being done more from a sense of obligation? ...Or truly following the criteria that got the whole 'ting started?
