I love the ABB
seeing them with Jack would be a little tempting, but not tempting enough
They went out properly 10/2014.
Leave it at that - please
They left it on a perfect note w/those mind bending shows late Oct. at the Beacon -- leave it right there I say -- March 23 1969-Oct. 28 2014
My sentiments exactly.
If they do a reform of some sort, and it has credibility with member of history as one of: Jack P, Warren, Dickey, Chuck L, etc joining the core remaining, I would definitely go. The years are slipping by.... I have to travel far..... they are pro's and it would be quality Bro music. GA is the one centerpiece that still makes it Allmans.... he has the right by name, dues, history.... I doubt I would see them again after that..... why would I miss a great show and memory of prior shows? I wouldn't take the "meeting the bar" standard of deciding to go.... I would rather have fine music as an old guy memory rather than some pride in not having stooped to a lower standard than my stature would allow....
They left it on a perfect note w/those mind bending shows late Oct. at the Beacon -- leave it right there I say -- March 23 1969-Oct. 28 2014
My sentiments exactly.
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Read an interview with Warren Haynes a couple weeks back and he was ask about an ABB reunion and he said the door wasn't closed with him BUT he didn't see the point of the ABB playing again unless it would be to do some shows with Dickey.
I'm not sure Dickey feels up to playing again with anybody. He did say last year if he did decided to play again he would love to play with Gregg again and never has had a problem with Gregg and that he figured Gregg was talked into something when Gregg voted with someone to remove him (Dickey) from the band.
Personally I'm not sure Dickey has the chops now at his age and with his lifestyle to face the music as it were for a short tour. His playing the last few years with the ABB had it's ups and downs as did the 14 years he toured with Great Southern. Jimmy Page has a long history of drugs and drinking and Page also can't be relied upon to play consistently without having nights when he is off and a bit sloppy here and there.
I saw one of the first shows the ABB did after Jack Pearson quit and Derek Trucks was added and Dickey Betts was fantastic. This was summer of 1999.
When Dickey is sober and feeling the music, it really sounds like the Allman Brothers. Dickey's sound and writing is a HUGE part of the historic Allman Brothers Band sound. And I mean from the beginning.
People make a mistake when they say the classic Allman Brothers sound is a creation of Duane Allman. Absolutely he was a crucial part of it as was Gregg and the drummers. But a very big part of it came from Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley.
Duane, Gregg, Dickey, Berry, Butch and Jaimoe were the apostles of the band. Chuck, Warren, Derek, Jack P. Dan Toler etc were church fathers of varying degrees. The foundation of this band and the high water mark is the ORIGINAL band.
I don't know. Maybe those who think it would be best to just leave it be are correct. I don't want to see the band again if it just for the money. The quality of the shows wouldn't last long I bet.
Jimmy Page has a long history of drugs and drinking and Page also can't be relied upon to play consistently without having nights when he is off and a bit sloppy here and there.
Isn't sloppy a key component of Pagey's sound to begin with? 😛
I thought they went out on quite a high already. Might be ok for any young fans who never saw them but they probably wouldn't top what they've already accomplished unless they rounded up the various lineups from earlier years & mixed it up a bit.That could be interesting,but Les Brers' already doing something like that,less Greg.To me,they'd never top the Duane/Dickey original match but Derek/Warren was a close 2nd. I thought Derek closed the chapter at a good time to leave it alone with some great memories.
People make a mistake when they say the classic Allman Brothers sound is a creation of Duane Allman.
No mistake at all, w/o Duane, there is no ABB.
BIGV. I hear what you're saying and it's absolutely true Duane Allman was the founder of the band and it's spark and leader. Without Duane the Allman Brothers wouldn't existed.
I was referring to the original SOUND of the ABB. That was not the creation of Duane Allman alone. Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley and Gregg Allman were key to it and of course the drummers were involved.
When Phil Walden came to Duane Allman, the plan was the put together a trio centered on Duane and his high energy and unique guitar playing which had caught several in the music businesses attention while he was working as a studio musician. I think his guitar solo on "Hey Jude" by Wilson Pickett put Duane on the radar more than any other. I think that is how Eric Clapton and Jaimoe first saw Duane as a major guitar player.
Walden introduced Duane to Jaimoe as a possible candidate as drummer. Duane had heard Oakley play and connected to him as a person so Berry Oakley was his choice for bass player but the trick was the get him away from the band Oakley had with Dickey Betts.
Duane persuaded Berry to be above board about joining him with the guys in The Second Coming and the three went in to record their record. But Jaimoe had no studio experience and had difficulty working in that situation so Johnny Sandlin played the drums in the session.
Duane wasn't happy with the recordings. I happen to enjoy listening to those tracks from time to time. In the process of getting use to playing with Oakley live, Duane began sitting in with The Second Coming. Soon Oakley told Duane he was reluctant to leave Dickey and the things he and Dickey were playing together were so unique and interesting musically that they should expand to a four piece band with Dickey being added. Dickey agreed to join. Dickey and Berry Oakley were already doing some of the arrangements in Second Coming that were adapted by the original band such as Hoochie Coochie Man and the Spencer Davis instrumental that is the first track on the debut ABB album.
Dickey's western swing twin fiddle influence and Oakely's lead guitar style bass playing were HUGE in the formation of the original ABB sound. Gregg's song writing for the first album were also huge but remember the band changed the arrangements of Gregg's songs. Whipping Post was way different as was Midnight Rider that the way Gregg wrote them. Gregg has said the version of Midnight Rider on "Laid Back" is closer to how he wrote the song. Whipping Post bass lines and time signature were actually the product of Berry Oakley and Butch Trucks according to stories that go back to 1970.
Then it was Dickey and Berry who told Duane they needed a different drummer and Jaimoe agreed. Jaimoe said Butch Trucks is the one you need. But Dickey and Berry and Duane were impressed with Jaimoe's style and noted the Grateful Dead had two drummers and let's not replace Jaimoe but allow his style to color and accent what a more straight ahead freight train rock drummer would do. So Butch was invited to join and it became a 5 piece band.
At this point the band began to play live under the name The Second Coming with the original Second Coming's organ player. Dickey and Berry then told Duane they needed someone else to do most of the singing as they (Dickey, Berry and Duane) didn't sing as well as the band could play and Dickey, Berry and Butch were aware of how Gregg's voice would fit so well with the sound the band had developed and Duane was encouraged to call his brother to fill out the picture.
When they finally presented the band to Phil Walden, they were a 6 piece rather than a 3 piece and needed thousands of dollars for equipment. Walden loved what he heard but admitted he was expecting all that.
As a side note Phil Walden insisted Duane's name be the name of the band. Duane wanted a group name i. e. The Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, Cream etc rather than Duane Allman band or Jimi Hendrix Experience etc. Walden resisted so they compromised with the name "The Allman Brothers Band".
Dickey later told Red Dog he regretted after Duane died going alone with that name. It could be Butch was not that keen with it either as Butch has admitted they wanted a band name and not Allman Act or Duane Allman Band or the Allman Brothers but Phil had the money and he wanted the name Allman in it. Probably because Duane was the only member that had garnered recognition in some circles of the music industry and it would serve as a better name from promotional reasons.
I'm willing to agree that without Duane Allman there wouldn't be an Allman Brothers and his leadership and intelligence was the foundation of the band. But the original sound of the band was a group effort with Dickey and Berry being huge in that. Also a major factor in how those 6 men sounded with they first played as the ABB in March of 1969 was Jaimoe getting them to listen to jazz greats. They discovered improvising and jamming and a new way to approach music from that experience and it was layered on top of the twin guitar thing Dickey brought from his country western swing background and Oakley's ground breaking approach to playing bass.
I do imagine you agree the original band was the high water mark of the ABB and the foundation of it's sound and legacy. And if I had to name one person for that, I agree it would be Duane Allman. No question.
Duane WAS it and after that was always in the shadow. All the validity (without Duane) talk seems to have occurred with every post-mutation of crew. I really want to see them again as I have personal agenda after 10 years not seeing them. Will it be the best? nah.... Kind of nostalgia for bucks by them? sure, maybe a slice of that mixed in... Will it have new material? I wouldn't really expect any.... Will it not meet any artistic test of new creativity? Chance not.....
I would expect a professionally done, with feeling and soul concert of great familiar songs, sung by the other centerpiece of ABB legacy with same name. Would get probably the "last good ride" for me. I would expect a night of the feeling of like I found an old shoe that has leather that feels good, has mojo of the miles, and you can't help but smile a little when you wear them. I would probably smile, laugh, and maybe cry from what they put out from stage. It could stand alone as a gem in time. Resist comparing to other gems...... to say it wouldn't shine is a down way of hoping....
BIGV. I hear what you're saying and it's absolutely true Duane Allman was the founder of the band and it's spark and leader. Without Duane the Allman Brothers wouldn't existed.
I was referring to the original SOUND of the ABB. That was not the creation of Duane Allman alone. Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley and Gregg Allman were key to it and of course the drummers were involved.
When Phil Walden came to Duane Allman, the plan was the put together a trio centered on Duane and his high energy and unique guitar playing which had caught several in the music businesses attention while he was working as a studio musician. I think his guitar solo on "Hey Jude" by Wilson Pickett put Duane on the radar more than any other. I think that is how Eric Clapton and Jaimoe first saw Duane as a major guitar player.
Walden introduced Duane to Jaimoe as a possible candidate as drummer. Duane had heard Oakley play and connected to him as a person so Berry Oakley was his choice for bass player but the trick was the get him away from the band Oakley had with Dickey Betts.
Duane persuaded Berry to be above board about joining him with the guys in The Second Coming and the three went in to record their record. But Jaimoe had no studio experience and had difficulty working in that situation so Johnny Sandlin played the drums in the session.
Duane wasn't happy with the recordings. I happen to enjoy listening to those tracks from time to time. In the process of getting use to playing with Oakley live, Duane began sitting in with The Second Coming. Soon Oakley told Duane he was reluctant to leave Dickey and the things he and Dickey were playing together were so unique and interesting musically that they should expand to a four piece band with Dickey being added. Dickey agreed to join. Dickey and Berry Oakley were already doing some of the arrangements in Second Coming that were adapted by the original band such as Hoochie Coochie Man and the Spencer Davis instrumental that is the first track on the debut ABB album.
Dickey's western swing twin fiddle influence and Oakely's lead guitar style bass playing were HUGE in the formation of the original ABB sound. Gregg's song writing for the first album were also huge but remember the band changed the arrangements of Gregg's songs. Whipping Post was way different as was Midnight Rider that the way Gregg wrote them. Gregg has said the version of Midnight Rider on "Laid Back" is closer to how he wrote the song. Whipping Post bass lines and time signature were actually the product of Berry Oakley and Butch Trucks according to stories that go back to 1970.
Then it was Dickey and Berry who told Duane they needed a different drummer and Jaimoe agreed. Jaimoe said Butch Trucks is the one you need. But Dickey and Berry and Duane were impressed with Jaimoe's style and noted the Grateful Dead had two drummers and let's not replace Jaimoe but allow his style to color and accent what a more straight ahead freight train rock drummer would do. So Butch was invited to join and it became a 5 piece band.
At this point the band began to play live under the name The Second Coming with the original Second Coming's organ player. Dickey and Berry then told Duane they needed someone else to do most of the singing as they (Dickey, Berry and Duane) didn't sing as well as the band could play and Dickey, Berry and Butch were aware of how Gregg's voice would fit so well with the sound the band had developed and Duane was encouraged to call his brother to fill out the picture.
When they finally presented the band to Phil Walden, they were a 6 piece rather than a 3 piece and needed thousands of dollars for equipment. Walden loved what he heard but admitted he was expecting all that.
As a side note Phil Walden insisted Duane's name be the name of the band. Duane wanted a group name i. e. The Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, Cream etc rather than Duane Allman band or Jimi Hendrix Experience etc. Walden resisted so they compromised with the name "The Allman Brothers Band".
Dickey later told Red Dog he regretted after Duane died going alone with that name. It could be Butch was not that keen with it either as Butch has admitted they wanted a band name and not Allman Act or Duane Allman Band or the Allman Brothers but Phil had the money and he wanted the name Allman in it. Probably because Duane was the only member that had garnered recognition in some circles of the music industry and it would serve as a better name from promotional reasons.
I'm willing to agree that without Duane Allman there wouldn't be an Allman Brothers and his leadership and intelligence was the foundation of the band. But the original sound of the band was a group effort with Dickey and Berry being huge in that. Also a major factor in how those 6 men sounded with they first played as the ABB in March of 1969 was Jaimoe getting them to listen to jazz greats. They discovered improvising and jamming and a new way to approach music from that experience and it was layered on top of the twin guitar thing Dickey brought from his country western swing background and Oakley's ground breaking approach to playing bass.
I do imagine you agree the original band was the high water mark of the ABB and the foundation of it's sound and legacy. And if I had to name one person for that, I agree it would be Duane Allman. No question.
Coming on the ABB site and preaching to lifelong ABB fans, ALL of whom know the story of the band...
...takes big brass ones.
LMAO!
Do you mean that Duane started the group? I just realized also that they are called the Allman Brothers Band and there are two Allmans and they are brothers. That fact has eluded me for almost 50 years. I need to pay better attention.
I was at The Beacon for the last 2 nights in October which were some of the best ABB shows I have seen in 20+ years of seeing them play there. I agree that letting it stand is my preference, but if a band called the ABB plays the Beacon again, it would be hard to stay away 🙂
I would go but I haven't seen them since 2011. I literally grew up listening to their music and it would be a chance to see friends of mine I rarely get to see nowadays who I went to a lot of shows with.
I would not be surprised at all if the Allmans get back together as they'll do it for money, they miss playing music with each other, and more people want to go and will pay to see them all together in one band than to go see all the side projects.
[Edited on 6/20/2016 by The_Newt]
Read an interview with Warren Haynes a couple weeks back and he was ask about an ABB reunion and he said the door wasn't closed with him BUT he didn't see the point of the ABB playing again unless it would be to do some shows with Dickey.
I'm not sure Dickey feels up to playing again with anybody. He did say last year if he did decided to play again he would love to play with Gregg again and never has had a problem with Gregg and that he figured Gregg was talked into something when Gregg voted with someone to remove him (Dickey) from the band.
Personally I'm not sure Dickey has the chops now at his age and with his lifestyle to face the music as it were for a short tour. His playing the last few years with the ABB had it's ups and downs as did the 14 years he toured with Great Southern. Jimmy Page has a long history of drugs and drinking and Page also can't be relied upon to play consistently without having nights when he is off and a bit sloppy here and there.
I saw one of the first shows the ABB did after Jack Pearson quit and Derek Trucks was added and Dickey Betts was fantastic. This was summer of 1999.
When Dickey is sober and feeling the music, it really sounds like the Allman Brothers. Dickey's sound and writing is a HUGE part of the historic Allman Brothers Band sound. And I mean from the beginning.
People make a mistake when they say the classic Allman Brothers sound is a creation of Duane Allman. Absolutely he was a crucial part of it as was Gregg and the drummers. But a very big part of it came from Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley.
Duane, Gregg, Dickey, Berry, Butch and Jaimoe were the apostles of the band. Chuck, Warren, Derek, Jack P. Dan Toler etc were church fathers of varying degrees. The foundation of this band and the high water mark is the ORIGINAL band.
I don't know. Maybe those who think it would be best to just leave it be are correct. I don't want to see the band again if it just for the money. The quality of the shows wouldn't last long I bet.
"Personally I'm not sure Dickey has the chops now", his chops, like the road, go on forever. He and Warren would work well together.
Duane was The Architect of the Allman Bros (for lack of a better word) & Berry was the 'good soldier' (don't mean in a derogatory way) and everyone knew Who was the leader.(even Dickey). Dickey was a 'key' piece of the puzzle & I wish he could pull it together & make it happen-one Last time! I don't think there'll ever be Another Allman Bros Band,at least not like the original,whoever decides to play in it.Individually their' all great musicians. Gregs playing on and making his own thing (& great) but I think we all know that the original was It,with a few Great incarnations in-between!. Whatever they decide to do will be ok and keep it all happening.Those that go will enjoy it & new younger fans will discover ABB too which is great. I could see them doing Wannee & Peach & Beacon till fans lose interest,but it'll be different. just my opinion but I thought it was fun while it lasted & they gave us a chance a few times to experience them. I hope whatever they decide to do is Great & in-keeping with Duanes tradition.
its so rare that individuals arise of Duanes character,integrity & talent. Too bad it was such a short run for him. It'll never be fully duplicated again.
[Edited on 6/21/2016 by bettyhynes]
