I'll withold any comments but its worth a read. Lamar to sing with Butch and friends at Wanee.
http://www.jambands.com/features/2015/04/07/butch-trucks-keeps-spreading-the-gospel-of-roots-rock/
Pretty much the same content here:
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=138678
Pretty much the same content here:
Not really. I had read that one and no they are not the same.
Wow! I'm surprised Butch spoke negatively about Dickey Betts! 😮
Same as it ever was....
I'm looking forward to seeing what Butch puts together at Wanee, but a year after Gregg and Butch told a crowd from the Mushroom Stage that the Allmans were not over, his "maybe we'll get the band back together" talks sounds like he is the one who most misses it. It reminds me of Levon Helm in the Last Waltz making it pretty clear the end wasn't his call, but he was the drummer and couldn't do much about it.
Makes sense that this Taz kid was from Roots Rock. His band opened for Chuck, Karl Denson, & Roosevelt Collier a couple months ago at Brooklyn Bowl and they brought him onstage (a lot). He only has one setting (11! - who wouldn't at his age?) but for as young as he is, he has plenty of time to tone that down and be really good real soon.
To me the only thing of note that was mentioned was...
Thoughts of reunions aside, now that the Allman Brothers have split up, can we look forward to any archival releases in the near future?
Yeah, we still have two record companies, and we’ll continue to release archival stuff. All of that material we recorded at the Beacon all those years. Right now we’re working on that 40th anniversary run. We’re working on putting together the “best of” the 40th anniversary run. Of course, that’s gonna be more complicated—we’re gonna have to work out licenses. If Clapton would agree to let us put “Layla” on, or any song he did with us, that’s gonna take some negotiations. But that’s what we’re working on right now, and things like that will continue to come out. That [webcasting] thing that I did, Moogis, wasn’t financially successful, but we got one hell of a lot of material that belongs to the Allman Brothers that we’ll be releasing in the future. So people will be revisiting those Beacon shows for as long as they want. Plus, we still have quite a large collection of archives—you know, stuff from the old days—that we’re gonna continue to pick and choose from and release the best of. So even if we don’t play together live again, there’s still stuff going on.
Everything else was pretty much what you'd expect.
To me the only thing of note that was mentioned was...
Thoughts of reunions aside, now that the Allman Brothers have split up, can we look forward to any archival releases in the near future?
Yeah, we still have two record companies, and we’ll continue to release archival stuff. All of that material we recorded at the Beacon all those years. Right now we’re working on that 40th anniversary run. We’re working on putting together the “best of” the 40th anniversary run. Of course, that’s gonna be more complicated—we’re gonna have to work out licenses. If Clapton would agree to let us put “Layla” on, or any song he did with us, that’s gonna take some negotiations. But that’s what we’re working on right now, and things like that will continue to come out. That [webcasting] thing that I did, Moogis, wasn’t financially successful, but we got one hell of a lot of material that belongs to the Allman Brothers that we’ll be releasing in the future. So people will be revisiting those Beacon shows for as long as they want. Plus, we still have quite a large collection of archives—you know, stuff from the old days—that we’re gonna continue to pick and choose from and release the best of. So even if we don’t play together live again, there’s still stuff going on.
Everything else was pretty much what you'd expect.
Honestly this comment made me sick to my stomach. Seriously. I am sick of hearing about new releases, archive releases, Moogis, farewell tours and all these wonderful projects that never materialize. No disrespect. I know there are a lot of behind the scenes legal and other barriers. I get and respect that. That said, 2014 was a perfect year-long illustration of how embarrassingly inept the ABB's management is and I am talking about the band not HTW, Bert Holeman or anyone else. What they need to do is sit down and invest in a damn good lawyer to straighten out their legal and ownership issues and set up a cohesive management system.
They're fan base isn't getting any bigger and I am not sure I'll care or even be alive when they finally release any of this stuff or get on the same page for a reunion show. Bad enough that Gregg talks about all the"new songs" he's got ad nauseum for 10 plus years now with none to show for it. Now we have to hear this from Butch? JNB has said there is a new archive release that was produced and has been ready to go for YEARS now only the band (Gregg) won't approve it! Butch says "archival releases are in the works" Actully, one is ready Right Now!
Power to you guys but its time to get serious and fix your organization and band communication before talking about new plans and products. Heard this stuff before.
Oh don't get me wrong, I fully expect nothing to ever come out of it. At least for Butch it was something outside the norm of constantly patting himself on the back and dropping Dickey's name in every interview.
Being the only one without a band to go to after the ABB, Butch is clearly missing it the most and didn't want it to end.
As for archive releases, I've gotten to enjoy the Brothers & Sisters boxset, the Fillmore Box, Duane Box, 40th Anniversary concert DVD and more in recent years. A few years back the Atanta Pop Festival show was released. I get to enjoy the ABB final concert on CD via the We did have a nice run of ABB record company releases including the sweet 1973 Nassau show from the Chuck/Lamar lineup. We haven't been shortchanged and I'm hoping we get some more high quality stuff. I'm hopeful.
So even if we don’t play together live again, there’s still money coming in.
Fixed that for ya, Butch!
Seeing that we outside of the US are having to wait until 31 December 2015 (or, more likely, never) for release of the 40th Anniversary DVD, I am a little cynical.
We have heard from Gregg that there won't be any more Duane-era releases because there is already more than enough of that stuff available! Not that anyone can trust anything Gregg says.
I've drawn a line under the ABB. Anything we see which is of interest will be a bonus, but life is too short to hold my breath
To me the only thing of note that was mentioned was...
Thoughts of reunions aside, now that the Allman Brothers have split up, can we look forward to any archival releases in the near future?
Yeah, we still have two record companies, and we’ll continue to release archival stuff. All of that material we recorded at the Beacon all those years. Right now we’re working on that 40th anniversary run. We’re working on putting together the “best of” the 40th anniversary run. Of course, that’s gonna be more complicated—we’re gonna have to work out licenses. If Clapton would agree to let us put “Layla” on, or any song he did with us, that’s gonna take some negotiations. But that’s what we’re working on right now, and things like that will continue to come out. That [webcasting] thing that I did, Moogis, wasn’t financially successful, but we got one hell of a lot of material that belongs to the Allman Brothers that we’ll be releasing in the future. So people will be revisiting those Beacon shows for as long as they want. Plus, we still have quite a large collection of archives—you know, stuff from the old days—that we’re gonna continue to pick and choose from and release the best of. So even if we don’t play together live again, there’s still stuff going on.
Everything else was pretty much what you'd expect.
Honestly this comment made me sick to my stomach. Seriously. I am sick of hearing about new releases, archive releases, Moogis, farewell tours and all these wonderful projects that never materialize. No disrespect. I know there are a lot of behind the scenes legal and other barriers. I get and respect that. That said, 2014 was a perfect year-long illustration of how embarrassingly inept the ABB's management is and I am talking about the band not HTW, Bert Holeman or anyone else. What they need to do is sit down and invest in a damn good lawyer to straighten out their legal and ownership issues and set up a cohesive management system.
They're fan base isn't getting any bigger and I am not sure I'll care or even be alive when they finally release any of this stuff or get on the same page for a reunion show. Bad enough that Gregg talks about all the"new songs" he's got ad nauseum for 10 plus years now with none to show for it. Now we have to hear this from Butch? JNB has said there is a new archive release that was produced and has been ready to go for YEARS now only the band (Gregg) won't approve it! Butch says "archival releases are in the works" Actully, one is ready Right Now!
Power to you guys but its time to get serious and fix your organization and band communication before talking about new plans and products. Heard this stuff before.
After reading this post I began to wonder if the issues you raised, along with the lack of new material, isn't a big reason why Warren and Derek decided to leave. There's other reasons as well I would bet, but the dysfunction must be extremely frustrating given Warren and Derek seem to have great management. At least it seems that way to me.
Nobody was more annoyed about the Archive series crashing to a halt than me. It really was a shame.
However, there is reason to hope that, with the band basically over, a greater sense of history and perspective may cause the band to release more shows.
On a more cynical note, the lack of touring revenue may also cause the band to dig into the vaults a little more.
The best of the Beacon 2009 run is probably the most intriguing to me, even though I've heard it all. This should have happened 5-6 years ago, but better late than never. Many casual Allmans fans have never heard that stuff, and a well-done version of that would be something special.
I'm not holding my breath over it, but I'm not writing it off entirely either.
I personally have given up on any New releases whether it is from Gregg or the band.
Being the only one without a band to go to after the ABB, Butch is clearly missing it the most and didn't want it to end.
As for archive releases, I've gotten to enjoy the Brothers & Sisters boxset, the Fillmore Box, Duane Box, 40th Anniversary concert DVD and more in recent years. A few years back the Atanta Pop Festival show was released. I get to enjoy the ABB final concert on CD via the We did have a nice run of ABB record company releases including the sweet 1973 Nassau show from the Chuck/Lamar lineup. We haven't been shortchanged and I'm hoping we get some more high quality stuff. I'm hopeful.
It was very nice to read this after posting my initial negative reaction. A nice reminder that there is a better way to look at things. I guess I'll just stop reading interviews with Gregg and Butch and sTay positive. Still believe they should clean up their management but I like this post and this approach. Thanks Tim!
I personally have given up on any New releases whether it is from Gregg or the band.
Agreed. If anything happens, it's a bonus.
I personally have given up on any New releases whether it is from Gregg or the band.
Agreed. If anything happens, it's a bonus.
+1
Being the only one without a band to go to after the ABB, Butch is clearly missing it the most and didn't want it to end.
As for archive releases, I've gotten to enjoy the Brothers & Sisters boxset, the Fillmore Box, Duane Box, 40th Anniversary concert DVD and more in recent years. A few years back the Atanta Pop Festival show was released. I get to enjoy the ABB final concert on CD via the We did have a nice run of ABB record company releases including the sweet 1973 Nassau show from the Chuck/Lamar lineup. We haven't been shortchanged and I'm hoping we get some more high quality stuff. I'm hopeful.
It was very nice to read this after posting my initial negative reaction. A nice reminder that there is a better way to look at things. I guess I'll just stop reading interviews with Gregg and Butch and sTay positive. Still believe they should clean up their management but I like this post and this approach. Thanks Tim!
I agree w/this -- most everything people would want to add to their collections, that they don't already have by way of boots/soundboards etc., has been put out there -- it was real nice to see last year's Play All Night release of the 1992 Beacon show
12/13/70 American U, 8/17/71 Boston, esp the 9/19/71 Stony Brook show -- great stuff
I agree w/this -- most everything people would want to add to their collections, that they don't already have by way of boots/soundboards etc., has been put out there -- it was real nice to see last year's Play All Night release of the 1992 Beacon show
12/13/70 American U, 8/17/71 Boston, esp the 9/19/71 Stony Brook show -- great stuff
Since we're talking about it, they Really Really Really need to release that Tom Dowd First Set recording of Kind Of Bird from 12/29/1991 Macon.
Like badly.
Great performance. Better than the album or most live versions the ABB did
Regarding archive releases.myself and a longtime friend of mine have for years engaged in lively discussions comparing the ABB-v- the Dead..of course I would win the guitar argument, etc..HOWEVER, he would always win hands down when we turned to archive releases..he would always say". I don't understand the ABB...why can't they ever get their shit together?.....I still don't have an answer..they had Dicks Picks and countless other releases, while we are continually disappointed....
The "Why" is a very good question. It seems like they have belief enough in the Instant Live discs; if those are OK, why not release the archival stuff through the same people / same system?
To me the only thing of note that was mentioned was...
Thoughts of reunions aside, now that the Allman Brothers have split up, can we look forward to any archival releases in the near future?
Yeah, we still have two record companies, and we’ll continue to release archival stuff. All of that material we recorded at the Beacon all those years. Right now we’re working on that 40th anniversary run. We’re working on putting together the “best of” the 40th anniversary run. Of course, that’s gonna be more complicated—we’re gonna have to work out licenses. If Clapton would agree to let us put “Layla” on, or any song he did with us, that’s gonna take some negotiations. But that’s what we’re working on right now, and things like that will continue to come out. That [webcasting] thing that I did, Moogis, wasn’t financially successful, but we got one hell of a lot of material that belongs to the Allman Brothers that we’ll be releasing in the future. So people will be revisiting those Beacon shows for as long as they want. Plus, we still have quite a large collection of archives—you know, stuff from the old days—that we’re gonna continue to pick and choose from and release the best of. So even if we don’t play together live again, there’s still stuff going on.
Everything else was pretty much what you'd expect.
Honestly this comment made me sick to my stomach. Seriously. I am sick of hearing about new releases, archive releases, Moogis, farewell tours and all these wonderful projects that never materialize. No disrespect. I know there are a lot of behind the scenes legal and other barriers. I get and respect that. That said, 2014 was a perfect year-long illustration of how embarrassingly inept the ABB's management is and I am talking about the band not HTW, Bert Holeman or anyone else. What they need to do is sit down and invest in a damn good lawyer to straighten out their legal and ownership issues and set up a cohesive management system.
They're fan base isn't getting any bigger and I am not sure I'll care or even be alive when they finally release any of this stuff or get on the same page for a reunion show. Bad enough that Gregg talks about all the"new songs" he's got ad nauseum for 10 plus years now with none to show for it. Now we have to hear this from Butch? JNB has said there is a new archive release that was produced and has been ready to go for YEARS now only the band (Gregg) won't approve it! Butch says "archival releases are in the works" Actully, one is ready Right Now!
Power to you guys but its time to get serious and fix your organization and band communication before talking about new plans and products. Heard this stuff before.
From Alan Paul's book, Dickey won the arbitration that occurred as a result of the fax. If the band cannot perform any more as Allman Brothers Band, can't they just change the name to The Allmans or even Jabuma? That's one issue. The songs that Dickey wrote are a big part of the band, but if he does not want them to play them, they do have other songs. The second issue whoever comes in to fill in the guitar slots has to have energy in themselves and their music to be part of the band.
I think you misunderstood. There is no problem with them using the name or playing Dickey's songs.
Regarding archive releases.myself and a longtime friend of mine have for years engaged in lively discussions comparing the ABB-v- the Dead..of course I would win the guitar argument, etc..HOWEVER, he would always win hands down when we turned to archive releases..he would always say". I don't understand the ABB...why can't they ever get their shit together?.....I still don't have an answer..they had Dicks Picks and countless other releases, while we are continually disappointed....
My guess is that the ABB doesn't actually own it's old recordings due to bad deals with record labels and they also didn't record anywhere near as many shows as the dead.
I think you misunderstood. There is no problem with them using the name or playing Dickey's songs.
Glad you posted to clear that up.
Was that previous post by gina some kind of two weeks late April Fools joke?
Hi Alan Paul. I have your book and I think, without looking, the details of Dickey's win in arbitration were kept private but one person who claimed to be Dickey's neighbor posted on the board years ago it was in excess of 1 million dollars. That must have stung the rest of the band to shell out that much money as apparently Dickey had already made more money off the band than the others. According to a website which tracks the net worth of famous people, Dickey is worth 40 million and Gregg is 15 million with Warren Haynes listed at 12 million. Butch is not listed. So if this site is accurate, Dickey somehow made a lot more money than Gregg and we know Duane was apparently only worth 2,000.00 dollars when he passed.
The Allman Brothers had it's ups and downs and major internal tensions when Dickey was in the band. Even when Duane was alive, Dickey could rattle people in the band. For example in your book it's brought up how Dickey refused to record in the studio in New York for the first album because it didn't have any windows. And Duane followed Dickey out when Dickey said he wasn't recording and after awhile the two returned and they were able to record. My guess is Duane must have found someone that Dickey trusted who would watch out for a fire or the mob coming into the building or whatever had Dickey spooked, and Duane promised Dickey that person would stand guard and come flying into the studio if there is a problem giving Dickey plenty of time to exit. And how Dickey walked out on the band in 1973 in Macon and disappeared as they got ready for their Brothers and Sisters show. Dickey was found walking way down the street and was coaxed into coming back before the show was canceled.
But the post Dickey Allman Brothers, as good and as solid as it was, had a slight "tribute band" feel to it. And I will tell you why as and old fan who first saw the band in 1970. The reason is the band's a guitar driven band and the guitars actually were more front and center than the vocals. And that is one reason Gregg gave in 1974 for going out as a solo artist. So he and his vocals would be the star of the show and not the guitars on the front line. Of course the band was different after Duane and Berry were killed but Dickey was still there and his sound was so big in shaping the band's sound. One knew Duane and Berry were dead so Dickey on the front line with other players was the only way to continue and you still had Gregg and the two original drummers and their unique sound which helped shape the ABB sound so old fans knew why it had to be different but all the surviving members were still there. Without Dickey, in my opinion, you had an ABB with a front line that was ALL replacement players. What kept the band from completely sounding like a tribute outfit was Warren, Derek and Otiel all had been in the band with Dickey and they would sprinkle Duane, Dickey and Oakley licks in the mix here and there on the old stuff. For young fans who were turned on to the band in 2002 or so, then this was the ABB to them. But for an old fan like me, post Dickey was like seeing the Rolling Stones without Brian Jones, Keith Richards and Bill Wyman. Just one too many replacement players. And with due respect to the final lineup, I feel the same now when I see Lynyrd Skynyrd or Marshall Tucker. They all have that "tribute band" feel because so many key players are gone in all those bands. I wish I could have shook that feeling as it was in the way of really enjoying Warren, Derek and Otiel carrying on for Duane, Dickey and Berry. And I think the recent live release "Play All Night" shows my point for an older fan.
I think this needs to be cleared up. Once a song is publish anyone can perform that song. The writers have no say on who plays or records that song.
Dickey can't stop the ABB or any band in the world from playing his tunes....he could certainly ask out of respect but the band doesn't have to honor that request.....
Think of all the songs in the world and how many bands in bars play those songs....how in the world can you stop someone....
It's perfectly legal to play any song published....now if you record that song and sell it then the writer get's his share of the royalties....as does the publisher
Dickey can't stop anyone including the ABB from playing his tunes
I will give Butch credit...his interviews are always interesting. I think him and Berry Oakley Jr would make an interesting band with vaylor .
[Edited on 4/14/2015 by fender31]
