If Lee does not care for the Fillmore East album then how in hell can he be an Allman Brothers fan? Also he informed us about how he is incredibly impressed by a rare Derek Trucks live set.

Jesus Brad, that horse is dead already. Lee has a different take than you for goodness sake.

BIGV. What is Lee's take? Are you saying one can be a big fan of the Allman Brothers but not like the original band?

One can be a big fan of Lynyrd Skynyrd but not like the original band with Ronnie?

This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?

I did know a girl some years back that didnt care for the original Doobie Brothers. Only the later lineup which had Michael McDonald. But I knew what she really was. A Michael fan and if it's a Doobie album without Michael then she didnt care much about it.

This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?

I might be perplexed......Once

This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?

I might be perplexed......Once

Fans of The Band might ask the same thing, would they truly be Band fans if they liked Jericho, High on the Hog etc more than MFBPink, The Band etc - are the later albums truly by The Band even w/no Robbie & Richard

It’s all tremendous music

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]

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I joined this site on day one and have been a major ABB fan since my first show in January 1970
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Looks like you joined this site 6.25.17 to me. Most of us who have been around here on this site for the past 20 years have never even heard of you or remember you. Who knows, maybe you never even saw the original lineup.

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Wayne]

. This began as a thread asking people to name the live albums which they like better than The Allman Brothers At Fillmore East.

I missed that precept entirely 😛 It has been in the #1 spot and then others come along, then go away.

Good reminder, that was the title of the original thread that was deleted almost as quickly as it arrived, thus the title of this thread hoping to continue on the same theme - live albums you like better than AFE - will adjust to that effect

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]

Wayne I was born December 5th, 1946. First ABB show was January, 1970. A friend talked me into going as he was crazy about their first album. He played it to me several times at his parties and I thought it okay but wasn't on fire about the ABB like Sandy was. I was into Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Mitch Ryder, B.B. King, Count Basie and Wilson Pickett to name some. No artist was a absolute favorite. Big Beatles and Stones guy too.

I went to the ABB show and was transformed like a religious awakening at some tent revival. And Duane Allman became my guru. All I wanted to do then was go to ABB shows and listen to their one record at the time. I enjoy all lineups except I don't listen much to 1980 to 82 lineup that is no Jaimoe but David Toler and Mike Lawler. And as you know, the original band to me is the best and was the most exciting to see live and to me, the REAL and pure Allman Brothers sound has Duane and Berry in the mix along with Dickey, Gregg, Jaimoe and Butch. I like the way those six played together best. That DOES NOT MEAN Derek, Warren, Chuck, Otiel etc are not great musicians . Only that the band sounds different enough for me to notice when it's not the original six and I like the way they sounded the best. Why does it sound a little different when it's not the original band? Because these other great musicians play differently . And certainly no one expects them to try to play exactly like Duane, Dickey, Berry etc. They have their own great styles. And the second lineup was way different than the original. Two keybords, different bass player, one guitar player who didn't enjoy playing electric slide. It was a different ABB in 1973 but they had some hot shows and Chuck and Lamar Williams came to play at the shows I saw.

In the early 2000s, after several years of occasionally interacting with Butch Trucks who posted regularly on this site, I was a little aggravated about how Butch was pushing to remove ALL Dickey Betts songs from the band and what looked to be Butch's efforts to remove Dickey from the band's history. And the constant criticism of Dickey and how he ruined the band's sound beginning with Brothers and Sisters, Ramblin' Man was not what the band was created to do etc etc, that the band should have voted out Dickey soon after Duane's death and hired different players.

I tried to defend Dickey and his contribution to the band but not in a heavy handed way and sensitive to the fact Butch worked with Dickey for years and knew Dickey well and had been on the receving end of Dickey's ways and temper. I also understood why Butch was irritated at the band's past and business deals that cut Butch out of making any money off the 2 mllion selling 1991 Decade of Hits CD while Gregg and Dickey made millions because they wrote songs and Butch feeling he should have gotten a writing credit on some of those songs and he mentioned Liz Reed and Madness From The West by name.

I'm not sure what I said (wrote) that angered Butch so greatly or if he mistook me for someone that had been nastly to him but I received an Email from Roland and Lana that Butch wanted me removed from the site. That was maybe 2002 or 3??? Somewhere around then.

After Butch died, I inquired and was granted permission to rejoin in 2017.

Stay safe. The White House says perhaps 240,000 people are going to die from this virus during the next two weeks. Good luck Wayne.

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by blackey]

That is a shame Butch had you booted from the site. That is kind of like a badge of honor. I used to love to read his rants! You stay safe and healthy too, tough times ahead, and now for sure.

I went to the ABB show and was transformed like a religious awakening at some tent revival. And Duane Allman became my guru.

We know

And as you know, the original band to me is the best and was the most exciting to see live and to me, the REAL and pure Allman Brothers sound has Duane and Berry in the mix along with Dickey, Gregg, Jaimoe and Butch.

We have been made aware numerous times

I like the way those six played together best.

We know

I like the way they sounded the best.

We know

BIV5. Just trying to explain again why I hold the original band was the best and is the foundation of the ABB. And that is not at all a slight to the last lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup that followed the original.

All who have played in the band as members are very good musicians.

I just find it strange here on the Allman Brothers site, there are so many who don't care much for the original band and Fillmore Esst. I guess a good portion of the fans today came on board between 2001 and 2014 and the way Derek, Warren etc played is the style and sound that is the Allman Brothers Band to them. And if and when they go back and listen to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach, it just doesn't impress them much and/or sounds old school.

I guess just as I feel it's not the real Allman Brothers without Duane Allman, they and I assume you, feel it's not that sound you love as the ABB unless Derek Trucks is in it.

It's as if I'm into a different band than those who are mostly into the last lineup and are not that moved by and impressed with Fillmore East. Lee doesn't care for Fillmore East at all but adores the last lineup and Derek. That has been difficult for me to grasp. Perhaps even Gregg Allman would be surprised too.

I thought the vast majority of ABB fans would hold up the Fillmore album as not only the ABB at it's best but perhaps the best live album ever. Its educational I could say to learn that is not the case with many of today's fans.

If there was a site for us old guys who are so into the original band, perhaps I would feel more at home and welcome there.

Guess I've stepped on a lot of toes. Didn't know the early years of the band didn't rate much with many people on this site today.

Blackey, you are now creating a fight that does not exist. You are saying that there are people who don’t care for the original line-up.

Everyone here loves the original line-up.

Some folks happen to prefer other line-ups. That’s their prerogative, but it does not mean they DISLIKE the original line-up. Humans are capable of more than one thing.

I love Miles more than I do Coltrane - but I still love Coltrane.

This also works with favorite food, favorite TV show, etc. People can love more than one kind of food; people can love more than one TV show. You know this.

Check the context of this ongoing discussion. While the original title of the thread and its initial few posts about live albums better than AFE, clearly this thread simply became people listing live albums that they like. Period.

Butch was irritated at the band's past and business deals that cut Butch out of making any money off the 2 mllion selling 1991 Decade of Hits CD while Gregg and Dickey made millions....

....I'm not sure what I said (wrote) that angered Butch so greatly

Yeah, I can't imagine...

I don't know about like better, but I really do like Hugh Masekela Is Alive And Well At The Whisky. Really captures the zeitgeist of the times, know what I mean?

For the record, my first show was in Aug of 1992 and my favorite lineup was the Dickey/Warren/Woody era and when I collect recordings more often than not that is the stuff I am looking for. But I have enjoyed every show I saw up until my last one at Peach in 2014.

This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?

I might be perplexed......Once

Fans of The Band might ask the same thing, would they truly be Band fans if they liked Jericho, High on the Hog etc more than MFBPink, The Band etc - are the later albums truly by The Band even w/no Robbie & Richard

It’s all tremendous music

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]

Here’s one:

I bet there are truly millions of Fleetwood Mac fans who wouldn’t even be able to make it through one song of the original FM, let alone think that version was the best (even though it was the best 😉 ).

And sorry if I’m sending us down an unwanted rabbit hole here, but why didn’t Butch make any money off of Decade of Hits?

Just trying to explain again why I hold the original band was the best and is the foundation of the ABB.

Again?

I just find it strange here on the Allman Brothers site, there are so many who don't care much for the original band and Fillmore East.

We know

I guess just as I feel it's not the real Allman Brothers without Duane Allman

We know

cmgst34. It was the contract they had with Phil Walden and Capricorn. When Capricorn went bankrupt, Polygram took control of the Capricorn catalog. I think Phil Walden owed Polygram money. The bands and artists were shut out at this point as I understand it. The Allman Brothers Band had no say so concerning their records prior to their Epic contract. Polygram could release and repackage these recording at will and the band had no control.

In 1991 Polygram came out with "1969 to 1979 A Decade of Hits". Tracks from the first album, Idlewild South, Eat A Peach, Brothers and Sisters and one track each from Fillmore East and Enlighten Rogues. All of these had been on other compilation releases before but this set surprised everyone and sold over 2 milion copies. The first and last Platinum release for the Allman Brothers since Brothers and Sisters.

The way this came out of bankruptcy, the band and Phil Walden got nothing. But the songs are licensed by publishing companies which receive royalties from any record sales of Dreams or Blue Sky etc even if it's on an album by ANY artist who chooses to do a version. So Gregg and Dickey made over a million dollars each and Butch, Jaimore, Chuck etc got nothing. Duane Allman's estate made money off Little Martha and Willie McTell's estate made money for Statesboro Blues but the people who played on those songs got nothing.

If Polygram had selected Hot'Lana as one of the tracks, Butch would have at least gotten 1/6th of the money off that track.

Butch wrote on this site he was going to find ways he too can make extra money off the band as he made it clear he was irritated about this and felt he should have shared on Liz Reed specifically. Someone ask if he went to Duane about Dickey not sharing Liz Reed and Duane ruled the member who came up with the song is the writer and the changes and additions the band makes are arrangements so Duane backed Dickey. Initially Dickey was able to block Butch's efforts and said publicly he was opposed to mixing band business with Butch Trucks business.

Apparently this led to the riff between Butch and Dickey that must have gone back to 1970 getting much worse and Butch through these ventures such as Flying Frog records, Moogis, rock festivals etc eventually getting wiped out financially by the Internal Revenue Service.

I had a couple of friends get wiped out. One committed suicide. You have to pay taxes on everything, file quarterly and pay twice the Social Security cut of the income or the back tax, interest and penalties can take everything. Especially if the IRS comes some years after the fact. Those penalties grow every month you are behind. My friends didnt seem to be aware of how much they needed to be paying quarterly and by the time the IRS showed up they owed a ton in back taxes, interest and penalties.

Willie Nelson got all but wiped out by the IRS some years ago and so did comedian Red Foxx. You have to may sure all your I's are dotted and T's crossed with taxes when you are in business for yourself.

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Live records you like better than AFE

I would just like to point out that the thread title speaks for itself. Keyword "Records".

For me, the answer is obvious -
none.

AFE remains my favorite album, live or otherwise.

There were some great albums mentioned -
Waiting for Columbus
Live Dead, Europe 72
Band / Dylan - Before the Flood
Coltrane at the Vanguard
DTB Georgia Theater

others I didn't see
Miles - 4 and more, Live at the Plugged Nickel
Miles and Coltrane - the final tour (not a record, but a recent box set re-release)
The Quintet, Live at Massey Hall

still, AFE stands above them all.

Edit - possible exception - 1971 Allman Brothers Fillmore East Complete Box Set

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by stormyrider]

That was my answer too when the thread started - none!
Quick ? about the 1971 Fillmore East Complete Box Set - is that a different release from The Fillmore Concerts, also the later Deluxe Fillmore Edition?

Yes, different.
6 cd box sets that covers both sets 3/12 and 3/13

https://www.amazon.com/1971-Fillmore-East-Recordings-CD/dp/B00JZO33VK

Thx - had forgotten about that one - the choices ABB fans have - on these 3 & the 3 box sets alone - well Stand Back isn’t really a box set but still a 2 CD anthology bridging the 30 years between Dreams & Trouble No More

Point being, these alone would be enough for many, but we also have the archive releases, now the brand new Fillmore West package

Some might say, Gosh they squeezed every buck they could outta FE alright - they milked it to the bone etc - sort of in that camp myself, but no complaints 😮 😉

ONE that I like just as much. The Black Crowes, Before The Frost. Certainly not the only one though.

Hey, Marley, you are better than this and should rethink what you wrote and also apologize and edit the "probably on the spectrum" out. I get and understand that people are tired of the redundancy. Also man . . . and nothing personal . . . but you are journalist and not a behavior analyst so that's a huge assumption to make on someone that you only know of through the Internet. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you were just having an off day. I hope you're doing ok man.

and probably on the spectrum going to be dull and judgmental, get lost.

After Butch died, I inquired and was granted permission to rejoin in 2017.

I know that this almost feels like "The Masked Singer" but what was your handle prior to leaving the site?

Hey, Marley, you are better than this and should rethink what you wrote and also apologize and edit the "probably on the spectrum" out.

^ For sure - if you thought someone really was autistic you wouldn't mention "on the spectrum", out of sympathy. So to throw the term at someone as an insult is just stooping to a new form of "retard". Let's try to keep "on the spectrum" a neutral and civil term for a few more years. Some of us out here face autism as a brutal reality every day, we don't need this noise, thanks.

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]

That's no better at all either.

Anyway as someone who has worked with persons on the spectrum and who live with Asperger's along with some other conditions it just struck me as a not so kind way to talk to another person on the internet or in general. I really almost didn't even bother to reply.

is just stooping to a new form of "retard".
[Edited on 4/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]

BrerRabbit - sorry for your daily struggles and wishing you all the best.

This seems like a rather absurd thread topic for an Allman brothers forum.

Not sure its better, comparing apples and oranges.

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