Those were not the sales numbers in 1980. Rumours had sold about 11 million worldwide in 1980 when tusk sold about 4. Its not some huge drop off.
A power play by buckingham? You must be smoking crack. They created a Fleetwood Mac album and when nicks refused to contribute they had to release it as buckingham mcvie. Sounds like a nicks power play. She also just forced him out of the band. Do you wash stevies cars or something? Shes been power playing the band for decades and forcing her will on everyone. Its clearshe picked mike to join.
Things you never comment on.
her lack of new material since 2010. Really since 2001.
The failure of behind the mask while nicks was still in the band.
The hit songs she wrote by herself since 1985.
Also you always fail to mention her 2 biggest hits from her first solo album are duets with 2 of the biggest stars in rock around that time. Maybe if buckingham did duets he would have had more fortune solo
again. I'll stand by statements made by 2 former label reps and someone who has helped with the bands tours in recent years over your statements
LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.
11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL
No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.
I do wash her car.
Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL
Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.
"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."
Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.
Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.
Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL
For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".
For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".
LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.
11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL
No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.
I do wash her car.
Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL
Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.
"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."
Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.
Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.
Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL
shows you don't read. My statement doesn't say lack of albums. It says lack of new material since 2010. First it shows I counted inyyour dreams as that was 2010. I said since then. Second it says new material and 24 carat gold is not new material. Its old material that didn't make previous solo albums and its stated so by nicks. So yes she hasn't released a newly written song in almost a decade now.
Btw most of tusk was not recorded in Buckinghams house and the little bit that was has very little of the rest of the band on it. Not sure why you keep saying it was recorded there and not at studio d in the village recorder studio
Damn! I don't know what Stevie Nicks did to you but you should write a song about it.
The only time that Buckingham wrote a song that anyone cared liked - it was about her too.
😛
It's the weekend, Matt. We can discuss how Buckingham took them to new heights after Rumours on Monday.
Don't worry - they will announce a Reunion in a few months anyway.
I'm actually a huge fan of nicks. I've seen her live solo but have never seen Buckingham solo or Fleetwood mac at all. they were on my bucket list but not now with Buckingham. him and Fleetwood were the reason I'd want to go as like I said I have seen nicks already.
I feel nicks though, and imo her demo's prove this, is someone who needs great producers, arrangers, etc to get the vision she has for her songs. then her blind fans, not saying you are one of those, heap praise and credit on her partly for the work others did to get the song the way it is in the released version.
that is why I feel behind the mask failed. people expected the Fleetwood mac sound and didn't hear what they thought it was going to sound like. its because Buckingham creates that sound. his solo albums have that sound. nicks solo albums don't. it appears the casual nicks fans can accept or they want her to sound different solo but the FM fans have a mindset of what they want FM album to sound like.
Buckingham for the most part is just too strange for most music fans to want to hear an entire album like that without a more accessible song by mcvie or nicks breaking it up every now and again.
Buckingham has shown he can generate a hit. all of these songs are top 40 American hits and 4 of these are top 10 hits , go your own way, tusk, oh Diane (in the uk), big love, trouble , go insane and a few songs that weren't hits that are now standards for him like Monday morning, second hand news , I'm so afraid and holiday road. it seems though people enjoy his songs but not an entire albums worth of songs like that.
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for those who want an actual facts only timeline break down of FM activity since 2000
-2001 nicks finishes and releases the long awaited album trouble in Shangri-La that was started in the mid 90s. 3 of the tracks were songs demo's in the 70's and 3 other songs have no nicks writing credit at all. another song has a co-writing nicks credit only for lyrics she changed. that leaves 6 new nicks originals. Buckingham appears on 1 song
-2001 Buckingham turns in his album gift of screws started in the mid 90's. reprise records wanted a new FM album and informed Buckingham that he should hold some of the material for a new FM album
-2003 FM releases say you will. the album features 9 songs by nicks and 9 by Buckingham. 7 of the Buckingham songs were originally meant for the gift of screws release.
-2006 Buckingham releases under the skin. the album includes 3 songs from the aborted gift of screws album turned in to the label in 2001. its his first album since 1992
-2008 buckingham finally releases an album titled gift of screws. it features 2 songs from the aborted gift of screws
-2011 nicks releases in your dreams. the first material shes released since 2003. Buckingham appears on 1 song
-2011 Buckingham releases seeds we sow. its his first album not released on the same label that FM is signed to.
-2013 FM release a digital only EP. the EP was originally planned as a new FM album. nicks stated she was unable to commit to a new album due to solo commitments. the EP features 3 new Buckingham tracks and 1 nicks track that is an old demo from 70's.
-2014 nicks releases a collection of solo songs that didn't make previous solo albums titled 24 karat gold
-2017 a Buckingham/mcvie album is released. the album was originally started in 2014 as the next FM album. after waiting for contributions from nicks she eventually informed the band that she would not contribute to the album. 1 song is a re-recorded digital only bonus track from buckinghams seeds we sow album. 3 more tracks are leftover from the aborted 2012 FM album attempt.
-2018 Buckingham is no longer in the band. in 2017 he announced he had an already completed solo album that was delayed to finish and release the Buckingham/mcvie release. he also stated that his label was working on a best of collection that would feature his singles, some soundtrack only tunes and maybe some unreleased stuff.
despite canadianmule blaming Buckingham. here is a link to mick Fleetwood blaming nicks for the groups recent hold ups for tours and albums
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/
Christine mcvie also stating nicks was the hold up and also mentions nicks as part of a reason the mirage tour was so short
Matt
You always get in debates/arguments here and mostly because you fail to actually read what anyone says. I have seen time and again, every time you get going. You have been debating all sorts of stuff here that I haven't even touched. LOL
I had TWO points.
The Decline - it is obvious.
The Delays in Recording following Rumours and how Lindsey will sit in a studio for two years and get the same results that two months would have accomplished. That is where I blamed Lindsey and it is all documented and admitted by him.
Any other points by me - You are creating.
Those are the two and I am right with both. Sorry.
Did Nicks have a more successful solo career and that may not have worked with the time frame sometimes? Definitely. I never stated otherwise anywhere. But don't let that stop your ranting.
Were the others pissed that her solo career was successful while some of theirs' bombed? Definitely.
Were they all coked out of their minds and blew millions? Yes. Did she have more money and could afford to do more coke and spend even more than the others? Definitely. Did they all want her to work sometimes because they were poor and wanted more coke and more millions to blow? Definitely.
All this crap is in countless books, magazines and spread over the net.
After all the years of you having this same debate with so many members, I will admit to getting a good laugh when you say that you never saw the band or Lindsey.
Damn Lindsey - Go play at the guy's house.
unless you have info I don't no one is currently doing coke and these are comments about recent issues. Buckingham is listed as being worth over 40 million dollars and stevie nicks over 70 million. I don't know micks current worth but I don't see at their age the 30 million difference being what has caused some huge rift between stevie and lindsey. this entire thing smells of the bands management mixed with stevie forcing her hand and making the band pick between her and lindsey.
as far as tusk. sure lindsey is a perfectionist and delayed the album. mick Fleetwood also says without lindsey there might not have been an album at all and says that for mirage and tango in the night as well. if what mick says its true then the choices were either no more albums or wait for Buckingham to help create the albums. that's 1 album though that took a really long time. several albums have been delayed by nicks just not even trying or in the case of tango in the night waiting for her to finish rehab
btw you never commented on the huge sales drops by other artists. don't know why you won't by FM maintained a higher sales level for the albums after tusk then springsteen did for the albums after tunnel of love or ac/dc did for the albums after for those about to rock or prince did pretty much for the rest of his career after purple rain
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Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.
I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.
Watch out!
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.
I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.
Watch out!
no anger here. just someone telling me what is or isn't successful doesn't make me think its artistically better or worse. mick jaggers solo albums are more successful than keiths but not even close to being better
They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.
My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.
They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.
My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.
honestly I would have wanted peter frampton but Campbell has a big connection to nicks
Slash or gtfo.
The way Slash would fold the coda lick from “November Rain” into the coda lick for “The Chain” would heal Stevie’s septum.
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.
I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.
Watch out!
Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.
Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.
They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.
My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.
Buckethead - That way Stevie could just grab a piece of chicken when she needs a snack on stage.
Black Mac!!! You guys are too funny. We need video of Stevie singing Iron Man now.
Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.
Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.
When it comes to bands and drama, Fleetwood Mac will always be top 5. Always something with that band...
Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.
Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.
well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum
https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7
40 years of Buckingham/Nicks Soap Opera - For The Love Of God someone cancel it. As soon as they announced that Buckingham/McVie were going to release an album, did anyone actually think that Stevie would be happy and that Lindsey would stick around? At this point, it doesn't matter who plays guitar in FM. It will sell the exact same regardless. The average FM ticket buyer wouldn't care/know. They have already proven that in the past. Hell there were people at ABB shows 15 years after that didn't know or care that Dickey wasn't there.
Now take away Stevie and all those 50 to 65 year old women who wanted to be Stevie and/or witches would be pissed. You could take away Fleetwood or either McVie with no effect at all from ticket sales. But No Nicks means No Fleetwood Mac Tour.
Thank God that the Gregg and Cher Soap Opera didn't last 40 years and that they only made one album together. 😛
Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.
Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.
well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum
https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7/blockquote >
I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.
I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.
Watch out!
Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.
Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.
Thank you.
I did it more to entertain myself, a little to lighten the mood of this thread, but mostly to entertain myself with how many Green/Spencer era Mac songs I could work into a (mostly) coherent fake rant.
I wonder if there is some apartment, somewhere, with curtains drawn, and sitting a lonesome figure. There is music on, and wafting through the dusty air come the strains of "Sentimental Lady". This sad figure in the dark has staunchly refused to follow "Mac" since the vanguard era of Bob Welch.
Joke.... kinda.... I do have and like Bare Trees on vinyl. Heroes are Hard to Find is good, but the cover just freaks me out, still. Mac's history is a revolving door of guitarists, really.
Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.
Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.
well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum
https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7/blockquote >
I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.
a thread of people mainly agreeing with me. figured you would dump on it when i posted it. "people don't have a clue". everyone knew exactly what that post meant. unless nicks allows "oh well" to be played it will not be played. it was played at the request out buckingham during the buckingham/nicks era and unless nicks ok's it then it won't be played as i doubt mike or finn have any say in the setlist
Ya gotta let it go, Matt. You have been having a debate with me that I am not part of.
You post a bunch of people talking about FM. So what? When you go to a show, those people represent 1%. Just as everyone on here knows all about the ABB, the vast majority just don't care beyond liking the songs and having a good time. I have seen and worked over a dozen FM shows and can guarantee that the fans are Upper Middle Class and higher and just want to be there and enjoy the tunes. You will never agree to it but most have no idea who the guitarist is but take Stevie away......... None of the soap opera stuff matters. The world moved on to Brad/Jen/Angelina long ago.
How do I know that people won't care? It already happened with the Burnett/Vito era and people loved the shows and could care less. What happened when Christine wasn't there? Same thing - people loved it and bought tickets.
It was during the Burnett/Vito Era that Green era tunes returned. A definite added bonus that I had missed during previous shows.
You will drive yourself insane trying to justify some R&R soap opera. Buckingham will be back in two years so no worries.
Personally I would love the band to come out and play only Green era songs while still charging the yuppy crowd $300. The puzzled look on faces would be incredible.
so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.
you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then
so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.
you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then
You are either comical or delusional.
Where did I say a thing about Mike or Neil saying a thing? I never mentioned it at all.
I never said a thing about sales and artistic creations.
Commercial failure where sales drop 90% is due to one factor - The Customer telling you that they do not like your product. If your local restaurant served you a Prime Rib dinner one night and then Spam the next night at the same cost - would you be happy?
Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same.
It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off. They all know that now - even Lindsey.
Why the excess - The True Producer - Cocaine
