Stunned that replacing Buckingham with just Mike Campbell isn't enough and that they think they need Finn, too.

Is Buckingham revered as some sort of guitar god? Chicago replaced Terry Kath with 2 guitarists, too.

Campbell is an excellent player and at least Buckingham's equal, no?

Or is this more of a sonic thing to keep the Mac sound intact?

agree islalala. mike campbell is the man. a legend. he can rip, he can be melodic. he can be understated. he can be front and center. in fact, besides trucks, he has had the career that i would have wanted to emulate.

in case you didn't know, campbell brought a music demo to Tom Petty mid/late 80s. Petty wasn't feeling it. But Don Henley needed a song. Campbell gave him the demo. And Boys of Summer was on the air not too much longer. Petty didn't pass up Campbell demos after that one.

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .

as far as guitar playing. mike will no be able to replicate lindseys guitar playing. man is a guitar god and finger picks like a bluegrass player

It's 2018. While this news might have been interesting - even shocking - in 1983 - it's kinda meaningless now. The bands of that era have regrouped/split/spun off so many times for many reasons, including that the band members are just OLD AF, that I can only wish them well. Thanks for the post, though.

Surprising, especially if this is a final farewell Mac tour, but not really earth shattering. I read elsewhere that pointed to Finn's role being needed more for the vox, and the 2nd UCR article above intimates the same.

I might have been reading too much into the public comments, but sounds like they might want to dig into some more of the Mac material pre-dating the Nicks/Buckingham era, so I wonder if that was the rift that led to parting of ways.

how did they let him know? by fax maybe? wondering if dickey is looking for a pretty good vocalist/guitarist for his tour? you know what I always say in situations like this....oh well...

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .

Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .

Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".

you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .

Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".

you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in

And as I posted that I was thinking that Campbell certainly couldn't cover what Buckingham sings. His guitar playing, however, is at par or better than Buckinghams.

Campbell will do fine, but it will change the songs a little because it's just a different style of playing. Probably not enough for most in the crowd to notice a difference in the guitar sound though.

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .

Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".

you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in

And as I posted that I was thinking that Campbell certainly couldn't cover what Buckingham sings. His guitar playing, however, is at par or better than Buckinghams.

I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing

I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing

I wouldn't be so sure. I'm in a band that plays oldies (Hendrix, Stones, Who, Traffic, etc.) and some somewhat newer stuff (Elvis Costello, Pixies, Raconteurs, etc.) and while we don't play the "style" of FM, our lead guitarist can pull off The Chain and Big Love...though not like it was played solo, but it won't be solo. I think Campbell is well qualified to bring FM along.

Personally I wish we had gotten a new era of Fleetwood Mac in the 80s after the Buckingham/Nicks era. Instead we got weird soap opera versions that have rehashed for years and have nothing new to offer. You knew after Buckingham made the album with Christine that there would be "issues" down the road. Time will tell if she sticks around as she had just rejoined. It seems that she is.

To me, Campbell and Finn is a great new era and who knows - maybe even a decent album down the road. Both of those guys are writers also.

My favourite tour was the one where Burnett and Vito were there instead of Buckingham. Brought back some Peter Green era stuff which was nice plus the band was great. saw a few shows that tour. saw all the others too and some great shows but those ones were real good.

Neither guitarist was a finger picking style guitarist like Buckingham and it worked just fine.

Lindsey is great at that style of guitar but other aspects of his lead playing are not very strong. Everyone has there strengths.

I may actually go where as with Buckingham I would have passed.

I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing

I wouldn't be so sure. I'm in a band that plays oldies (Hendrix, Stones, Who, Traffic, etc.) and some somewhat newer stuff (Elvis Costello, Pixies, Raconteurs, etc.) and while we don't play the "style" of FM, our lead guitarist can pull off The Chain and Big Love...though not like it was played solo, but it won't be solo. I think Campbell is well qualified to bring FM along.

campbell is a good player. was just pointing out they have 2 totally different styles

I'm going to guess Campbell will not take too many self congratulatory bows to the crowd after a solo like Buckingham would do from time to time.

I may actually go where as with Buckingham I would have passed.

I’ll check them out first but same feeling here.To my ears Campbell is a more talented and capable player albeit offering up a very different style of playing.

Sorta reminds me of seeing Joe Walsh when he joined The Eagles..many felt(still feel?) he wouldn’t fit...for me he was the highlight of their concert in 1976.Added the grit and R&R that was missing.

Mike Campbell/ Joe Walsh Funk 49

Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?

Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?

Released an album also so you knew that Stevie would get her back up and issues would happen. Not surprised at all by his exit. What is this - the fourth time he has left?

I always thought that they gave him too much power and credit. They were massive and then let him start producing and they never did as well again.

Without them, he has failed to make a dent.

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Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?

Released an album also so you knew that Stevie would get her back up and issues would happen. Not surprised at all by his exit. What is this - the fourth time he has left?

I always thought that they gave him too much power and credit. They were massive and then let him start producing and they never did as well again.

Without them, he has failed to make a dent.

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huh? you do know starting with rumours Buckingham , Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat pretty much produced everything. yes Buckingham pretty much produced most of rumours so not sure what you meant they gave him the reigns and he failed.

also tango in the night went to #1 and has sold close to 4 million copies in America. the bands 3rd best selling album. how is that a failure if it outsold tusk, the live album and mirage? tango was basically a Buckingham solo album. 7 of the 12 songs Buckingham wrote or co-wrote. he produced the entire thing pretty much by himself. he cobbled together multiple takes of stevie nicks singing to get useable takes for her 3 lead vocals. on top of that stevie got a co-writing credit for "seven wonders" because she was so coked out of her mind she inadvertently sang different lyrics than what was written

After Rumours is where Lindsey told everyone that he should be the producer. Big difference. When he actually became producer, it took forever for weak results.

As for your other points, 4 million is failure in comparison.

They never reached that popularity again. I stand by that and no Lindsey cheerleading will change that fact.

All the other soap opera stuff about how he did it all for everyone. I have read all the same stuff. Blah Blah Blah - everyone was out of their minds. Sure he helped round out tunes - that is what band's do. He obviously needed them to bring him stuff also. Without them, his stuff was weak. Hence a failed solo career.

Stevie seems to have faired very well without Lindsey in her solo career. How was his? LOL

Matt I know you love the guy and I get that he is talented. Just not as talented as he thinks he is.

At this stage, let the Nicks/Buckingham era DIE!!! Nothing new any of them have to offer to Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's BS cost them about 5 albums worth of time and endless drama. High maintenance.

Mike Campbell comes with none of that baggage. Works for me and apparently them.

After Rumours is where Lindsey told everyone that he should be the producer. Big difference. When he actually became producer, it took forever for weak results.

As for your other points, 4 million is failure in comparison.

They never reached that popularity again. I stand by that and no Lindsey cheerleading will change that fact.

All the other soap opera stuff about how he did it all for everyone. I have read all the same stuff. Blah Blah Blah - everyone was out of their minds. Sure he helped round out tunes - that is what band's do. He obviously needed them to bring him stuff also. Without them, his stuff was weak. Hence a failed solo career.

Stevie seems to have faired very well without Lindsey in her solo career. How was his? LOL

Matt I know you love the guy and I get that he is talented. Just not as talented as he thinks he is.

At this stage, let the Nicks/Buckingham era DIE!!! Nothing new any of them have to offer to Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's BS cost them about 5 albums worth of time and endless drama. High maintenance.

Mike Campbell comes with none of that baggage. Works for me and apparently them.

well you have the opposite opinion of mick Fleetwood and Christine mcvie then. Fleetwood in his book says Buckingham ran the rumours sessions, produced it and pretty much fleshed out everyones songs which is why the band agreed to give him free reign over the tusk sessions. guess they are way off though actually being in the band and all. it is stevie nicks who has cost them albums. she refused to take part in an album around 2012. she refused to take part in the recent album sessions that resulted in the Buckingham./mcvie release. she has held up tours.

I'm not even sure where you are getting one ounce of information that Buckingham held up albums and wasted time. he is the one that at minimum 3 times held up his solo career and pretty much sacrificed the material he marked for a solo release and gave it to Fleetwood mac. he is not making albums to sell millions. do you think he has no clue what his solo album sales are? he has another solo album already finished and ready for release. it was actually finished before the Buckingham/mcvie release. he put it on hold to again help the band and nicks refused to contribute and said albums are a waste of time.

finally Buckingham asked the band to put things on hold a few months so he can release and tour this solo album and nicks told the band its him or me. that's why Buckingham is gone. maybe go over to steve Hoffman forums and get in the loop from insiders. he asked for the same respect they grant nicks and after helping the band numerous times they let him go.

as far as solo careers. again he is making albums to make them. go look into nicks solo releases. a lot of belladonna was held back from tusk. gee wonder why tusk didn't do better with people holding back their best material. nicks hooks up with hot producers, has tons of outside songwriters, the best musicians money can buy play on her albums. after the wild heart most of the songs aren't even written by nicks. please name me the big hits or better known nicks solo songs she wrote by herself after 1983. the last confirmed new material she has even written is now 8 years ago and counting and even then some of those songs are decades old.

I'd also like to ask. how did Fleetwood mac fair without Lindsey. I'm sure none of us can forget the huge smash hit album behind the mask that barely went gold , so this is the worst selling FM album nicks is on and funny no Lindsey. it produced 1 minor barely top 40 hit and nicks isn't even the lead vocalist of that song. her singles from that album flopped and she hasn't had a hit single with FM or as a solo artist since the 80's

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You're funny. We have hashed it all out before - go back and find it.

Cocaine produced Rumours. I don't take away from his input on songs and never have. Very different than producing.

After Rumours, it all moves to Lindsey's place and so begins the decline. Rambling all that you want won't change that.

He makes albums to make albums? LOL - comical. He thought he would be massive and failed. He needs peoples' material to write with.

But you can love him all day long and I fully respect that. I've met him and he was a good guy. Just not the guru is proclaims himself to be. Without the others - no success at all.

I know the history well and all of their cocaine fuelled memories. The Decline started with his home studio and Tusk. I need no forum to tell me that - I worked trying to sell a warehouse full of them.

You're funny. We have hashed it all out before - go back and find it.

Cocaine produced Rumours. I don't take away from his input on songs and never have. Very different than producing.

After Rumours, it all moves to Lindsey's place and so begins the decline. Rambling all that you want won't change that.

He makes albums to make albums? LOL - comical. He thought he would be massive and failed. He needs peoples' material to write with.

But you can love him all day long and I fully respect that. I've met him and he was a good guy. Just not the guru is proclaims himself to be. Without the others - no success at all.

I know the history well and all of their cocaine fuelled memories. The Decline started with his home studio and Tusk. I need no forum to tell me that - I worked trying to sell a warehouse full of them.

I'm not even being funny. I literally copied and pasted things just now from the steve Hoffman forum. a forum that has people who have actually worked at the label or with the band making these remarks. they know how things work and who is to blame.

again though, why does Buckingham keep creating new albums if he's not making music for the love of music. that's entirely 100% what has caused the latest drama in the band. he wants to keep creating new FM music and stop being an oldies act and nicks no longer wanted to. I'm sure he knows he has never even had a gold selling solo album yet he is about to release his 4th solo album since 2006. he has albums out in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2017 with mcvie and he will release one in 2018. are you saying he is stupid and thinks all the sudden he will be a multi million selling artist by himself?

meanwhile nicks stopped caring about creating new music after 2010's in your dreams became her first solo album that failed to go at least gold. every interview after that shes stated no one buys albums, they are a waste of time and energy. shes done 1 album since then of all older unreleased tunes that she said deserved to be heard but were left off albums for various reasons.

so lets compare. 1 artist wants to keep creating new material. has help create 6 albums of new material since 2003. 1 artist has their first failed solo album and refuses to write new music since then and has only released 3 albums of new material since 2001. who is doing it for the art and who is doing it for the money?

you never even replied as to why behind the mask, with nicks and no Buckingham, is the worst selling nicks era FM release? even the album from 2003 say you will has sold more than behind the mask.

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as stated it was all over once Lindsey took control.

nicks era FM certified USA sales

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million
1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

exit Buckingham nicks still in the band
1990 behind the mask 1/2 a million

so other than rumours the bands sales seems to be pretty level. sorry they did were not able to maintain the level of one of the highest selling albums ever. if that's the case lets look at other huge failures and someone can explain what these artists did to drop off a cliff

1984 born in the usa 15 million
1987 tunnel of love 3 million

1980 back in black 22 million
1981 for those about to rock 4 million

1984 purple rain 12 million
1985 around the world in a day 2 million

1987 hysteria 12 million
1992 adrenalize 3 million

while i'll be darn. its almost like the same thing happened to every artist with a huge selling album. Fleetwood mac was able to maintain pretty much 3 million in sales their entire initial run. prince, springsteen, def leppard, ac/dc and many more fell off even further with the albums released after the ones I posted

Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.

Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.

well tusk selling over 2 million in the usa is a failure according to canadianmule because the album before it sold 20 million and you helped prove my point. no one can live up to the sales of what they did with the previous release.

Fleetwood in his book says tusk is his favorite studio album by that version of the band. a lot of fans blame Buckingham for the sales drop but of course there were the following factors too
- RKO radio chained played the entire thing before it was released

-the label was charging $2.00 more than a normal double LP cost at the time

-Buckingham purposely was trying to not make an album that sounded like rumours

-Fleetwood was the one who wanted a double album and since nicks was holding back material for her first solo album Buckingham had to contribute enough material to fill out the double album . mcvie contributed 6, nicks 5 and Buckingham 9. Fleetwood has also said when Buckingham talked about doing a solo album he asked Buckingham to just throw the songs on tusk.

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You guys know a lot more about Fleetwood Mac than I do.

My experiences seeing any of them live are not good. Three years ago Stevie Nicks came to Chicago and I was offered a ticket. So I went. She was doing that black dress witch thing. Played her hits which was fine but kind of boring.

Shawn Colvin opened for her and she was amazingly good!

My other one was in probably 1992 or 1993, something like that. I saw Fleetwood Mac at an amphitheater outside of Detroit. They were part of one of those tours where they package two or three classic rock bands.

Fleetwood Mac was the first one and consisted of Mick Fleetwood, Dave Mason and a bunch of people I had never heard of. They played "Dear Mister Fantasy" and even as young as I was I thought it was awful.

Kind of thought it disrespected their name.

You give me giggles. As soon as I saw the title of the thread - knew where this was going. LOL

You are right!!! Please Stop!!!

Lindsey Is A God - Has The Biggest Dick In The World - And No Man Will Ever Compare

Well except for

Pre Take Over

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million

Post Take Over

1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

Score 25 Million to 7 Million - you posted it and yet can't grasp it.

Now before becoming WikiMatt05 and losing your sh8t - think about what I said. Success after he took over declined. Now stop - look at those numbers before telling me I am wrong again. Score 25 to 7. No matter how you spin it, copy and paste sh*t or want it to be true - it never will be. Lindsey's reign of total control was not a success.

25 to 7 - Exactly what I said. Decline. 25 to 7 - That is why I am correct with my statement. Why you are arguing that is beyond me? Your Big Love is making you blind to my statement I guess.

He long ago stopped hoping for a successful solo career obviously. He isn't stupid. That is until his album with McVie which he thought would sell as if it was Fleetwood Mac. It was a power move and failed. Thought he didn't need Stevie to have success and found out that he indeed does and always did. That fact really pisses him off and always has.

Matt buy his albums and love him. I fully support you and your right. If you believe that the switch to Lindsey's basement was a good one for the band and people write it on a forum (like this one) then for f*cks sake it must be true. Damn history and the obvious sales numbers and multiple breakups. No reason to let any sort of reality get in the way.

God Bless Buckingham - He Is A Talented Guy - Can't Wait Until 2019 when Fleetwood Mac reunite again with that lineup. Gives him 6 months to a year to make an album that only you will hear. LOL - Thanks Matt needed a laugh. Did you ever drive a school bus?
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