I hope they have to pay up, guilty or not, just on general principal.

Ripped off many artists. Just ask Willie Dixon's family who thankfully, got some justice.

I hope they have to pay up, guilty or not, just on general principal.

Ripped off many artists. Just ask Willie Dixon's family who thankfully, got some justice.

I agree.....It's not like they can't afford some sort of settlement given what Zep has made off Stairway alone. I'm curious to know how many millions it alone has generated for corporation Led Zeppelin.

Let the jury hear the studio recording and then decide.

I had a feeling when posting this where it was headed....oh well.....

It is absurd and has been since the beginning. One series of notes with some similarity vs almost 8 minutes of musical perfection.

Courts got it right the first time and should again. If a series of notes does the trick then a lot of people will be paying Chuck Berry as that "Chuck" lead is in millions of songs including every Stones song ever. LOL

George Harrison lost his case on my sweet lord with less notes

Besides ripping off many artists they also employed the biggest bully & coward in the history of rock in Peter Grant. Guy needed to be taken outside into an ally (without his muscle) and given a beating ending in a coma. Too bad he coked himself to an early grave before it happened.

John Lennon settled out of court for stealing Come Together from Chuck Berry
Further information: Roots: John Lennon Sings the Great Rock & Roll Hits
In 1973, "Come Together" was the subject of a lawsuit brought against Lennon by Big Seven Music Corp. (owned by Morris Levy) who was the publisher of Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me". Levy contended that it sounded similar musically to Berry's original and shared some lyrics (Lennon sang "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly" and Berry's had sung "Here come a flattop, he was movin' up with me"). Before recording, Lennon and McCartney deliberately slowed the song down and added a heavy bass riff in order to make the song more original.[11] After settling out of court, Lennon promised to record three other songs owned by Levy.[16] A brief version of "Ya Ya" with Lennon and his son Julian was released on the album Walls and Bridges in 1974. "You Can't Catch Me" and another version of "Ya Ya" were released on Lennon's 1975 album Rock 'n' Roll, but the third, "Angel Baby", remained unreleased until after Lennon's death. Levy again sued Lennon for breach of contract, and was eventually awarded $6,795. Lennon countersued after Levy released an album of Lennon material using tapes that were in his possession and was eventually awarded $84,912.96. The album was called Roots

And re Zep that riff is definitely the same. Only question in my mind is the value of the riff vs the value of the song.

But for sheer craziness nothing tops John Fogerty being sued for plagarizing himself

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The Time John Fogerty Was Sued for Ripping Off John Fogerty
BY Ethan Trex April 13, 2011

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In 1993, former Creedence Clearwater Revival singer John Fogerty found himself at the center of a case being argued before the United States Supreme Court. The country’s highest court wasn’t debating whether Bayou Country or Green River was the superior CCR album. Instead, Fogerty was in the middle of an important, somewhat obscure corner of copyright law.
The seeds for Fogerty’s day in court traced back 23 years to 1970. That April, CCR released the Fogerty-penned “Run Through the Jungle” as a single that would eventually be certified gold by the RIAA. “Run Through the Jungle” is a solid tune, but it didn’t really grab headlines until 1985 when Fogerty released a solo track called “The Old Man Down the Road.”
“The Old Man Down the Road” is a pretty nice song, too; it even cracked the top 10 on the singles charts. One person wasn’t a fan, though. Saul Zaentz, who owned CCR’s old label Fantasy Records, also owned the copyright to “Run Through the Jungle.” Zaentz felt that “The Old Man Down the Road” was simply “Run Through the Jungle” with different words. In other words, John Fogerty had plagiarized a John Fogerty song to which he didn’t own the copyright.
Zaentz felt he had a case, so he sued Forgerty in federal court for copyright infringement.
(It’s worth noting that Zaentz and Fogerty weren’t on the best of terms in the first place. The same 1985 album that featured “The Old Man Down the Road,” Centerfield, also included the tracks “Mr. Greed” and “Zanz Kant Danz.” Critics and fans saw these songs as pointed attacks on Zaentz, and the label head initiated a separate $144 million defamation lawsuit that claimed Fogerty portrayed him as “a thief, robber, adulterer, and murderer.” The two sides settled that suit out of court.)
Defamation aside, was there any merit to the copyright claims? Have a listen and decide for yourself:

Besides ripping off many artists they also employed the biggest bully & coward in the history of rock in Peter Grant. Guy needed to be taken outside into an ally (without his muscle) and given a beating ending in a coma. Too bad he coked himself to an early grave before it happened.

Not a fan ,I take it 😉

lol

heres an interesting bit on Bert Jansch's reaction to Page borrowing his arrangement of "Black Waterside".

No idea where it is from, clipped off Steve Hoffman:

Jansch’s influence on subsequent generations is obvious. Just as Neil Young "borrowed" from Jansch, so Jimmy Page retooled Blackwaterside as Black Mountain Side. "That spawned a whole scene that I knew nothing about," Jansch notes flatly, "until one day I was in the States and somebody said have you heard this track? He did the same thing with Davy (Graham). White Summer is lifted from Davy’s arrangement of She Moved Thro’ The Fair."

Years ago, Jansch’s record company started court proceedings against Page, but ran out of money. Jansch says he has never mentioned the matter of plagiarism to Page. "I haven’t said anything. He runs away. He could be friendlier." He is not particularly interested in pursuing legal redress. "I’m quite happy. I don’t have to borrow guitars anymore. What am I going to do with three Rolls-Royces?"

Besides ripping off many artists they also employed the biggest bully & coward in the history of rock in Peter Grant. Guy needed to be taken outside into an ally (without his muscle) and given a beating ending in a coma. Too bad he coked himself to an early grave before it happened.

Not a fan ,I take it 😉

Always the same story.

Peter Grant needed no muscle. I met the man and he was huge. Tough as nails and took shit from no one. To suggest otherwise is an opinion based on nothing but speculation.

He also changed the finances of all artists after Led Zeppelin dominated the States. Some major artists were paid very little until Zeppelin came along with Grant demanding a majority of the door.

And he got it. That gave every other band touring a major raise. He also didn't rip off the band like most managers did. That is why there were never any legal battles between Grant and the band.