I'm happy and think it's natural that with the Allman Brothers no more, more of the family bands are playing their songs but then result is usually just making me miss the Allman Brothers. Including Gregg's versions... I think Derek is going for more of an Elmore James feel here... it's a different drive...
ABB played a set list that was numbingly the same during 70/71 and multi-shows per day at that. Not sure I saw a bunch of people going on about hearing the same stuff. Check the set lists for the Fillmore shows. Nearly all the same. Just sayin'
Any band with Duane,Gregg,Berry,Dickey,Butch & Jaimoe---i'd pay to hear them play that setlist any time anywhere,over & over.They were that good.I'm sure you're not comparing TTB to the original Brothers...on any level?
I'm happy and think it's natural that with the Allman Brothers no more, more of the family bands are playing their songs but then result is usually just making me miss the Allman Brothers. Including Gregg's versions... I think Derek is going for more of an Elmore James feel here... it's a different drive...
I guess that's fair. I actually was not looking for an ABB duplication as much as I was TTB utilizing all of its parts. I feel like the horns, keys and bass are all condensed into the same notes here. I know this is really obnoxious of me but since I can't play well (at all?) it's all I've got haha! Seriously, though, TTB has a lot of dimensions to it and I think Detek and Susan absolutely slay this song and hope they explore the arrangement a little more given all the fire power they have. Having said all that, I'd be damn glad to see them play anytime anyhow.
I'm also in the same spot as you Al in that I like that the ABB was given a natural ending and it does feel right but I sure do miss em
I love this band. From last night, new and sounds so good:
http://www.jambands.com/news/2016/05/13/amy-helm-joins-tedeschi-trucks-band-in-pennsylvania/
Really wish they would release boards of, at minimum, moments like this.
I'm happy and think it's natural that with the Allman Brothers no more, more of the family bands are playing their songs but then result is usually just making me miss the Allman Brothers. Including Gregg's versions... I think Derek is going for more of an Elmore James feel here... it's a different drive...
I guess that's fair. I actually was not looking for an ABB duplication as much as I was TTB utilizing all of its parts. I feel like the horns, keys and bass are all condensed into the same notes here. I know this is really obnoxious of me but since I can't play well (at all?) it's all I've got haha! Seriously, though, TTB has a lot of dimensions to it and I think Detek and Susan absolutely slay this song and hope they explore the arrangement a little more given all the fire power they have. Having said all that, I'd be damn glad to see them play anytime anyhow.
I heard TTB do "Done Somebody Wrong" acoustic at the Beacon last year or the year before and it was definitely more of Elmore James' hard stutter version of the song than the Allmans' swinging version. I appreciate that from TTB, I wouldn't want to hear them just cover the Allman Bros' version - TTB is doing their own thing and they do it well.
ABB played a set list that was numbingly the same during 70/71 and multi-shows per day at that. Not sure I saw a bunch of people going on about hearing the same stuff. Check the set lists for the Fillmore shows. Nearly all the same. Just sayin'
Any band with Duane,Gregg,Berry,Dickey,Butch & Jaimoe---i'd pay to hear them play that setlist any time anywhere,over & over.They were that good.I'm sure you're not comparing TTB to the original Brothers...on any level?
I think he is pointing out that if fans didn't judge the ABB than they shouldn't with the TTB.
Many of us have pretty much every available show that Duane and the original ABB did. Many fit on a disc and sometimes two. Yet there are all these legendary stories of shows lasting for hour upon hour. Truth is everyone was stoned and had absolutely no sense of time. 😉 Every song on the setlist would have had to be a half hour long. Or do some believe that a bunch of other songs were played on those nights and never showed up on any setlist of available shows?
Or do some believe that a bunch of other songs were played on those nights and never showed up on any setlist of available shows?
Quaaludes. 😉
Or do some believe that a bunch of other songs were played on those nights and never showed up on any setlist of available shows?
Quaaludes. 😉
They do tend to have that effect. If you can stay awake long enough for them to kick in. 😉
Or do some believe that a bunch of other songs were played on those nights and never showed up on any setlist of available shows?
Quaaludes. 😉
They do tend to have that effect. If you can stay awake long enough for them to kick in. 😉
That's what black beauties were for! 😛 😉
Or do some believe that a bunch of other songs were played on those nights and never showed up on any setlist of available shows?
Quaaludes. 😉
They do tend to have that effect. If you can stay awake long enough for them to kick in. 😉
That's what black beauties were for! 😛 😉
Chemical cocktail. So they started before a Friday show and came to on Saturday. It all makes sense now.
GREAT set lists from the other night!!!!
In addition to that awesome Blue is the Color of the Blues, we got the return of Who Knows What Tommorow May Bring AND Don't Drift Away! These are two of my favorite (lack of better description/among many) TTB songs!!
I don't think they have played Drift Away in a couple of years and given that it was only a bonus track on Revelatory I didn't think I ever had a hope of seeing it. If you haven't heard Drift Away, feast your ears on this:
https://archive.org/details/ttb2010-04-17.ccm4v.zman.flac16
LLOVE that they seem to be opening up the song selection this tour. The good ones too!!
Thanks TYB!
GREAT set lists from the other night!!!!
In addition to that awesome Blue is the Color of the Blues, we got the return of Who Knows What Tommorow May Bring AND Don't Drift Away! These are two of my favorite (lack of better description/among many) TTB songs!!
I don't think they have played Drift Away in a couple of years and given that it was only a bonus track on Revelatory I didn't think I ever had a hope of seeing it. If you haven't heard Drift Away, feast your ears on this:
https://archive.org/details/ttb2010-04-17.ccm4v.zman.flac16
LLOVE that they seem to be opening up the song selection this tour. The good ones too!!
Thanks TYB!
I love Traffic, especially their first few albums with Dave Mason, and was knocked out when they opened a show with "Who Knows What Tomorrow May Bring" at the Beacon.
First off, I'd like to say hello to everyone. When this thread was started, I intentionally stayed away from responding due to my affinity for this band.
Since this thread has gained it's own legs, I though I would contribute a thought.
There are those of us that are not quite old enough, but not young that didn't have the pleasure to experience the Allmans at their peak.
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but to me listening to their music and going to their shows to me feels like I'm witnessing something special. Unlike anything musically that is available today. I'm sure that not everyone feels this way, but for me, this music brings me joy and every time I listen to it, I find something else to appreciate.
I'm just glad that they are around and making music that sings to my soul.
Don't Drift Away from the other night. Such a great 70s groove. Such a great ensemble showcase:
https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-05-12.mk6.edtyre
bumping this thread. Apparently Derek should run back to the ABB. Susan oversings everything and Mike Mattison should be the lead singer in this band.
I won't put the band down, because they are very very good. But it's time for Derek to step out and start a viable side project. I don't believe the TTB suits Derek's true talents. I observe him as distant and uninterested, similar to his last few years with the ABB. Maybe I'm wrong, fine, but to my eyes, ears and heart, I don't believe the TTB has enough space for Derek to really play. He needs to play more freeform and with a higher level of musicianship than what he plays with the band. Not that he isn't playing professionally or anything like that, but I know how he plays, and he hasn't played that way in a long long time.
He's at his playing prime and he could be doing a new Mahavishnu Orchestra. That's all.
[Edited on 5/20/2016 by roboto]
I won't put the band down, because they are very very good. But it's time for Derek to step out and start a viable side project. I don't believe the TTB suits Derek's true talents. I observe him as distant and uninterested, similar to his last few years with the ABB. Maybe I'm wrong, fine, but to my eyes, ears and heart, I don't believe the TTB has enough space for Derek to really play. He needs to play more freeform and with a higher level of musicianship than what he plays with the band. Not that he isn't playing professionally or anything like that, but I know how he plays, and he hasn't played that way in a long long time.
He's at his playing prime and he could be doing a new Mahavishnu Orchestra. That's all.
[Edited on 5/20/2016 by roboto]
I think it is really interesting how Derek's fan base seems to break down in to two camps when it comes to his involvement in TTB.
There are many who feel how Roboto does for the reasons he gives above. I am in the camp with others who like how playing with TTB has affected Derek's playing.
To my ears less has been more. I fee like Derrk's sense of melody and his ability to construct a narrative in his solos has grown and improved by leaps and bounds with TTB. I haven't heard a whole lot of DTB but I have been seeing and listening to Derek with ABB since he joined in 99 and he is far more consistent with TTB than he was with the ABBand seems to be becoming more refined and improved with each TTB tour.
I think it would be interesting to see how this growth would translate into longer and more open ended jamming like Roboto described above but I am always surprised and interested when Derek fans say that they don't prefer his playing with TTB. I think he sounds great and it's had a very positive impact on his playing.
...it's time for Derek to step out and start a viable side project.
Wasn't there talk of a collaboration with Jimmy Herring on something at one time ?
...it's time for Derek to step out and start a viable side project.
Wasn't there talk of a collaboration with Jimmy Herring on something at one time ?
X2 all the way on that one 
Bring Back Frogwings
-- yes Butch is busy, that's cool, mayb the Col's drummer Jeff Sipe (Apt Q258?) could step in
Derek essentially said in a recent interview that he enjoys all of the logistical stuff involved in leading TTB. Maybe he's focusing more on the complete aspect of leading a band instead of incendiary solos.
I miss the incendiary solos although the webcast of the complete Austin City Limits show had some fantastic stuff. My favorite TTB show that I saw was 9-1-11 in Kansas City when Oteil was still there. The day before the horn players went down to the 18th and Vine jazz district and did an open jam so maybe this particular show was more heavily influenced by being in more of a jazz space. I don't know. As far as I know there are no known recordings of this show.
I'm glad I got to see DTB in 99 at The Grand Emporium when I could stand about 2 feet away from Derek and get my face melted off from all that crazy Coltrane stuff he used to do. I don't think i'll ever hear music like that again.
I'm glad I got to see DTB in 99 at The Grand Emporium when I could stand about 2 feet away from Derek and get my face melted off from all that crazy Coltrane stuff he used to do
I was there too. KC 
bumping this thread. Apparently Derek should run back to the ABB. Susan oversings everything and Mike Mattison should be the lead singer in this band.
Not at all, Derek can and will do what ever his musical heart deems right. The ABB?...Hahaha!...Not even an option. But in my opinion, he is too talented to stay solely on this track and will eventually grow weary of this project.
Regardless of where his road leads him, this has been huge career wise. DTB had topped out with theater shows and music sales. Had run its' course and from the members that crossed over, it seems like Derek didn't want to include some. It obviously was not an over sight on his part. Wanted change for more reason than some credit him for.
Could Derek have created a band like the Mahavishnu Orchestra? Sure he could and did. It was the DTB. What would be gained by just creating another and starting all over again?
Some act like his chops with TTB are different from the DTB as if he is a different guy and choses not to use his skills. Derek levelled out with his slide playing long ago. What has changed since Warren's return to the ABB is Derek's straight playing and rhythm playing. Part of his growth as an over all player. I salute it. He can always go back to what he did before and he knows that. He will be playing long after many of us on this site are 6 feet under.
[Edited on 5/21/2016 by CanadianMule]
I just think he needs to start another instrumentally based jazz fusion band. Just a part time gig. 20 days a year. Or maybe even some on offs. I don't see him as musically challenged in the TTB. I don't want to see them end either. I like the music and the dancing is fine. It's a fun time but not a guitar aficionado's haven.
"I don't believe the TTB has enough space for Derek to really play. He needs to play more freeform and with a higher level of musicianship than what he plays with the band. Not that he isn't playing professionally or anything like that, but I know how he plays, and he hasn't played that way in a long long time."
Well, that is because he chooses not to. He did that for a long, long time, starting when he was a child. He's over it, even if we as fans are not.
"He's at his playing prime and he could be doing a new Mahavishnu Orchestra. That's all."
It could certainly happen down the road, but there are literally thousands of hours on archive.org alone of Derek ripping jazzy guitar solos. I feel like Derek's view of things is that he has been there, done that, and it no longer interests him. At least, not right now anyway.
With Widespread Panic folding up the tent, Jimmy Herring is about to get a lot more free time. It may not be this year, or next year, but I do think the project with Derek and Jimmy eventually happens somewhere down the road.
Roboto, I have to ask you about your observation that Derek seems distant with the TTB.
I see the exact opposite. I've never seen him smile more, never seen him move more physically.
With the DTB, he usually stood in one spot, rarely looking up, focused inwardly. I loved seeing and hearing him play, but in layman's terms, he was a statue.
Now he practically bops.
I find it interesting that so many equate playing really long solos to being "pushed to new heights" or a "musical challenge" or some measure of musical expertise, difficulty and lack of boredom.
I think just the opposite is true. It takes forethought, skill, phrasing, timing and a lot more to construct a fine solo in confined space. Every move has to be spot on because you don't have the following 5 minutes of soloing in which to hide things.
Different thing altogether but the concept is why I LOVE Clapton on the Clapton / Marsalis album. His solos are short but HOT.
[Edited on 5/22/2016 by cmgst34]
I just think he needs to start another instrumentally based jazz fusion band. Just a part time gig. 20 days a year. Or maybe even some on offs. I don't see him as musically challenged in the TTB. I don't want to see them end either. I like the music and the dancing is fine. It's a fun time but not a guitar aficionado's haven.
I don't think Derek NEEDS to do it Ang, but I Sure WANT to see him do something instrumentally focused.
Like Rob said, Derek made the choice to focus on being a bandleader, song writer and producer and to promote his wife as an artist. I view it like a corporate fast-tracker who declines a promotion that would have a negative impact on his family and lifestyle. It may alter his career path, but is done for a greater purpose.
Derek is consistently mentioned in lists of "the best/top" guitar players. While the comparative rankings may be open to dispute, the fact that he makes the lists indicates he is a top tier player, I doubt he will ever find his way onto lists of the greatest producers or song writers, or that, outside the ABB community, that the TTB will receive similar recognition, any more that the Mule, Gregg's band, or others will. I am not talking about Grammy's or other publicity-based awards, but recognition over time of the band's greatness or popularity.
It appears that's fine with Derek as well, and it's his choice, not mine. I do believe, as you do, that musically he has so much more to offer.
Maybe he will do like Santana who is emerging from his Supernatural band to do some work with John McLaughlin, Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter.
It appears that TTB is commercially successful. Just like Derek used the earnings from his tour with Clapton to help fund his home studio, maybe TTB can fund his future side projects, which are not likely to be as financially rewarding.
Like Rob said, Derek made the choice to focus on being a bandleader, song writer and producer and to promote his wife as an artist.
Curious about why you think Susan needed to be promoted by Derek. I've seen both of them on separate occasions playing the exact same clubs so I don't really think one needed to be promoted any more than the other. Seems to me that they were probably about the same as far as commercial success is concerned. For whatever that is worth.
Seems like her solo career was going along fine.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
"It appears that TTB is commercially successful."
Well, to bring this thread full circle, Tedeschi Trucks was THE headliner for that day at Jazz Fest this year. I don't mean they were just the final act on that particular stage. They were the number one act on the bill that day, period. First name on the marquee, if you will.
Maybe I'm just biased because of my love for Jazz Fest, but that is a big time gig, no matter how you slice it. Seems like they are doing just fine.
