I appreciate and respect everyone's opinions. Everything here doesn't have to be Santa Claus and chocolate candy if you know what I mean. Wouldn't that get kind of old?
There is a lot of talent on that stage that I think some folks believe is being wasted.
And I will be the first to admit they do take their shares of knocks here. Probably as much as Dickey has over the years. But I just don't think it's any reason to take anything personally if you like them and others don't.
Hey, at least it gives us something to talk about.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
And I will be the first to admit they do take their shares of knocks here. Probably as much as Dickey has over the years. But I just don't think it's any reason to take anything personally if you like them and others don't.
Hey, at least it gives us something to talk about.
Exactly, well said. This would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed. People are so quick to take a difference of opinion personally sometimes.
And I will be the first to admit they do take their shares of knocks here. Probably as much as Dickey has over the years. But I just don't think it's any reason to take anything personally if you like them and others don't.
Hey, at least it gives us something to talk about.
Exactly, well said. This would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed. People are so quick to take a difference of opinion personally sometimes.
Yeah as long as it is civil. I've had discussions in pubs about music that started civil and then someone would get pissed off. It isn't like somebody insulated anyone's mother.
It sure beats the hell out of arguing politics in The Whipping Post. 😉
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
Different strokes. I love the band and think they have gotten better with each record the latest one being their best to date. Looking forward to seeing them in Saratoga in July.
They are the THE most exciting band around for me. I will see them anytime. I have never caught anything close to a bad show. Their new album is their best yet, I can't stop spinning it even months after it came out. I haven't heard a show stopper like "Midnight in Harlem", something that will put a spell on the audience for 10 minutes. I can see Jimmie Vaughn bringing their intensity down, he is pretty milk toast. Doyle Bramhall II does the same thing - he is a great guitar stand.
I really don't understand the desire for people to go out of their way to rag on TTB. If you don't like them, fine, not everyone likes everything. I am not a huge fan of Warren's solo shows. He does a lot of different stuff, and I can appreciate that, but I've been bored to tears at some of his shows I've caught. But I don't go out of my way to post how little I care to see his band after a show I wasn't fond of. Go ahead and post your opinions, that's what this space is for, but how many times does the same negativity need to be voiced? Why do people have such an axe to grind with TTB?
[Edited on 4/30/2016 by porkchopbob]
This is simply a forum where we discuss topics. Any harm in that? And as others have opined, it IS subjective. Personally, after seeing them two days in a row (both free which was nice
The first night when Leon Russell opened, as much as a grump that he is, he was the highlight of the weekend for me. Leon joined the TTB for two songs during their set. I was in the front for leaning on the stage. I couldn't hear anything Leon was doing. She was that loud.
I really loved Susan 10 or 15 years ago, bought all her CDs, saw when I could, etc. I remember a show years ago at Park West in Chicago. Jackie Greene opened for her. Awesome show. When she was done, the house lights came on and they were trying to get people out of the doors. Susan just walked back on stage, sat down at the piano and played a song. That was awesome.
I love them both individually and the sit ins with each other but I personally don't really care for their band.
Just my two cents.
Regarding Leon he is much less the grump. He was in chronic pain from a chronic cerebral spinal fluid leak resulting from his motorcycle accident in the early 1970's. Multiple surgeries failed; but with Elton John's help (he also has new equipment as a result) he finally had successful surgery. He now engages the audience with friendly banter (all he used to say in concert was "thank you very much.") and the quality of his shows has vastly improved from 10 or 20 years ago.
Ande re TTB - I've seen them twice live. They also lack that X factor for me
Your mileage may vary. For example: I dig Warren Haynes a lot. I love him in large ensembles, so his ABB work has always appealed to me (not 100% of it but the vast majority). I love his acoustic work too. I enjoy the Mule when they have guests on stage. I don't love the Mule when it's the heavy blues rock 3 or 4 man band for whatever reason, but I've seen those versions of the band plenty because part of every show generally hits the note for me.
I have friends who love all the heavy power trio/4 some Mule.
My brother who is in to rock and new jam music etc, doesn't care for much of Warren at all. Can't really convince him otherwise. Oh well.
I'm a HUGE Derek fan and have been for 20+ years. I love the TTB live. First CD left off a couple of their best songs and didn't quite catch fire for me overall. Second CD was very good (still not a classic). I'm going to give the new one some attention this week, but I like what I've heard. I have their Austin City Limits show recorded and will get to that soon too. I just wish they wouldn't park three of their best originals live: Part of Me, Look Around (never even recorded?) and Don't Drift Away. Those are too good not play!
I was totally into the dTb as well. I could see where if you didn't like the leader singer and co-front person for a band (Susan in this case), that it would be hard to like the band much. Me? I've always enjoyed Susan.
Derek solos a lot in TTB. Only an ABB fan would say it's not enough! He also does some seriously amazing rhythm and riff work too, when he's not soloing. I'm looking forward to seeing them again July in Alpharetta/Atlanta with Los Lobos as opener. It doesn't hurt my feelings if they aren't other people's cup of tea.
Regarding Leon he is much less the grump. He was in chronic pain from a chronic cerebral spinal fluid leak resulting from his motorcycle accident in the early 1970's. Multiple surgeries failed; but with Elton John's help (he also has new equipment as a result) he finally had successful surgery. He now engages the audience with friendly banter (all he used to say in concert was "thank you very much.") and the quality of his shows has vastly improved from 10 or 20 years ago.
Man, that is REALLY touching. What a sweetheart of a man you are, Elton.
Tim - I also wish they would bring more of their songs into rotation.
Don't Drift Away is utterly fantastic. I love the version from Wanne 2010 in particular. I cannot understand why that wasn't on the album (I know it was a bonus track but I think it ought to be on the regular album) Part of Me, Everybody's Talkin, All That I Need, Learn How To Love You ... There are plants of songs. I do not understand why they don't play more. Especially since it has been proven over and over that mixing up setlist a with a large catalogue is a significant plus when it comes to packing them in.
I haven't heard Look Around but I'm looking forward to checking it out.
One thing I do wish they would change is I wish the sax solo on the outdo jam from Don't K ow What It Means would focus more on melody than just a Coltrane-freak-out. Great way to start the solo, but playing like that through the entire jam is grating.
I too have been wondering for a while now what is "missing".
Currently, for me, it's the drummers. I've watched several webcasts and clips over the years and i've seen them a few times, and the drummers look and sound like ONE Drummer. Why do two drummers play in sync and sound like one? What am I not hearing or understanding about this music? Butch and Jaimoe constantly sounded like two drummers and say what you want about Butch and his legendary interviews, but the drums are vital and essential to the Allman Brothers sound what we all love.
My last Allman show was at the Gorge with the Doobie Brothers and the Dead. All 3 bands had 3 drummers. The Doobie Brothers drummers looked like they were playing in sync and it sounded like one, just like my current issue with TTB, and their set didn't really do it for me. Something was missing.
So what's up with the drummers?
Regarding Leon he is much less the grump. He was in chronic pain from a chronic cerebral spinal fluid leak resulting from his motorcycle accident in the early 1970's. Multiple surgeries failed; but with Elton John's help (he also has new equipment as a result) he finally had successful surgery. He now engages the audience with friendly banter (all he used to say in concert was "thank you very much.") and the quality of his shows has vastly improved from 10 or 20 years ago.
Man, that is REALLY touching. What a sweetheart of a man you are, Elton.
Kind of a returning of a favor - Leon Russell invited Elton John to open for him when EJ was still that drum-bass-piano trio. I saw them at the Swing Auditorium in San Bernardino. Both bands blew the roof off. A very nice gesture from Elton John - I understand the money from their record and tour greatly help stabilize Leon's financial status.
I too have been wondering for a while now what is "missing".
Currently, for me, it's the drummers. I've watched several webcasts and clips over the years and i've seen them a few times, and the drummers look and sound like ONE Drummer. Why do two drummers play in sync and sound like one? What am I not hearing or understanding about this music? Butch and Jaimoe constantly sounded like two drummers and say what you want about Butch and his legendary interviews, but the drums are vital and essential to the Allman Brothers sound what we all love.
My last Allman show was at the Gorge with the Doobie Brothers and the Dead. All 3 bands had 3 drummers. The Doobie Brothers drummers looked like they were playing in sync and it sounded like one, just like my current issue with TTB, and their set didn't really do it for me. Something was missing.
So what's up with the drummers?
As a big fan of TTB, I actually agree about the drummers to a degree. I find myself watching drummers at whatever shows I go to, and while TTB's drummers are both really good, I'm always a little surprised how much they seem to mirror each other. They are constantly watching each other, so maybe since I am mostly a guitar player I am missing something more subtle. After years of watching Jaimoe, Butch, & Marc, maybe I am expecting something more dynamic. They can do it, especially when they get into "Bitches Brew" type jams. For me it's not something that is greatly "missing" - it's obviously a style choice considering Derek's uncle approached it so differently.
pcbob while I haven't taken a poll I'm guessing that the answer to your ragging question is that some people:
1) might be kind of disappointed that Derek is sinking his time into the TTB instead of something different.
2)Maybe it is frustrating to watch a great talent move in a direction that they feel does not really showcase it?
3) Have anti-Susan sentiment dating back to "too much Susan on stage" during Beacon and other shows.
If you combine these things, you might find the reason that some people are a little more vocal in their negative assessment of TTB.
Or maybe it's the fact that this is a discussion forum where you can find rants and raves galore on any subject you wish.....
For me I guess it is a combination of things, some mentioned above, others not. I have seen this band perform three times, so I'm thinking I've a good background on what they are attempting to do and what is missing from this fan's perspective. First, I have nothing but respect for Derek's musical direction and his desire to be close to his wife and his children, we all should be so lucky in whatever endeavor we choose. Now on to Susan's contributions to this ensemble......aside from her vocals, what else does she bring to the stage?...Say what you will, I believe her soloing skills to be not quite up to the efforts of the others....Has she improved?...some will say yes..... On Derek's playing, I don't need to hear a "scorching" slide solo on every cut, in fact there are times when those seem out of place, or better yet, unnecessary, "over the top"...where a simple horn solo or something from Kofi might be a better fit. For the better part of the show the horn section seems content to just "sway" with the music instead of playing. I also get that they are still developing, still finding their way.....But in the meantime, I think Derek is an incredible rhythm player; a style that is much more suited to this type of musical experiment, a type of playing that "fits" Susan's being up front... Too many members just to showcase Mrs. Trucks......
I guess the marketplace will speak: the TTB will do a 6-night residency at the Beacon. Could any other Allmans-related group pull that off?
For dicusission and curiosity sake (no ill will etc) I don't get what is missing here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PlO1bb1IYnQ
^^^
THIS is a fantastic video.
For dicusission and curiosity sake (no ill will etc) I don't get what is missing here:
this is very good.The differences from their other work(live & studio):
1.Susan sings instead of shouting or screaming.A vast improvement.
2.Derek's guitar leads fit the song.Often feels forced on their original stuff.
3.Mike sings-I used to not like him but with him & Susan,when they take turns it sounds better to me.
4.The horns fit here-they usually don't.
5.This is a cover & their covers are way better,buy not nearly as effective as Mule sine IMO Mule has,besides Derek,way more capable musicians---Jorgen & Matt are some of the best at what they do & i enjoy Danny more than Kofi.
The bass player-was this their regular guy? If so,it seemed a much weaker performance than he usually provides--I was surprised at the bass in this...
again,thanks for posting!
Dad - those are interesting takes. However I still can't think of examples of Susan "screaming" I think she not only has great range and phrasing but perfect pitch as well.
I do agree Derek sounds out of place at times but I don't think that is unique to TTB. Derek's melodic radar is not his strongest point and sometimes he goes off the rails.
The horns have always sounded right to me, they provide an added dimension and power. The only horn I don't like is that solo at the end of Don't Know What It Means. Way off the rails. Other than that though I love em. Similar to the Juke Horn appearances with the ABB.
What do you think of these?:
Everybody Talkin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FeQ_wsqsjzI
All That I Need
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4AfC2hLxHM
Part Of Me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c6B-JS_WAtw
And Derek's solo from Idle Wind at this Warner Theater show is top notch. Great song too:
https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-02-25.CM-33
I guess the marketplace will speak: the TTB will do a 6-night residency at the Beacon. Could any other Allmans-related group pull that off?
Actually TTB have been doing small Beacon runs for the past 4 or 5 years. They keep expanding, typically doing Fri and Sat shows and touring the northeast region during the week.
Hasn't this always just come down to whether or not people like Susan's voice (or just her in general) or not?
Which, hey, nothing wrong with that. Plenty of people have their likes and dislikes.
For dicusission and curiosity sake (no ill will etc) I don't get what is missing here:
this is very good.The differences from their other work(live & studio):
1.Susan sings instead of shouting or screaming.A vast improvement.
2.Derek's guitar leads fit the song.Often feels forced on their original stuff.
3.Mike sings-I used to not like him but with him & Susan,when they take turns it sounds better to me.
4.The horns fit here-they usually don't.
5.This is a cover & their covers are way better,buy not nearly as effective as Mule sine IMO Mule has,besides Derek,way more capable musicians---Jorgen & Matt are some of the best at what they do & i enjoy Danny more than Kofi.
The bass player-was this their regular guy? If so,it seemed a much weaker performance than he usually provides--I was surprised at the bass in this...
again,thanks for posting!
No that is Eric Krasno playing bass at that show before Tim was named full time.
For dicusission and curiosity sake (no ill will etc) I don't get what is missing here:
this is very good.The differences from their other work(live & studio):
1.Susan sings instead of shouting or screaming.A vast improvement.
2.Derek's guitar leads fit the song.Often feels forced on their original stuff.
3.Mike sings-I used to not like him but with him & Susan,when they take turns it sounds better to me.
4.The horns fit here-they usually don't.
5.This is a cover & their covers are way better,buy not nearly as effective as Mule sine IMO Mule has,besides Derek,way more capable musicians---Jorgen & Matt are some of the best at what they do & i enjoy Danny more than Kofi.
The bass player-was this their regular guy? If so,it seemed a much weaker performance than he usually provides--I was surprised at the bass in this...
again,thanks for posting!
I have to agree with axeman, I have seen a lot of Susan Tedeschi and have never heard her shouting or screaming. I've heard her belt, like many other soulful women singers - she has a great range and power to her voice. One of the greatest moments I've ever heard was Susan singing "It Hurts So Bad" after announcing to the crowd that Allen Woody passed away the night before. I don't think I will ever hear any performance that beautifully powerful. There are voices that we just can't explain why we don't like them - I can't listen to Janis, but I wouldn't say she is bad or has no soul.
The horns fit perfectly for me, TTB is like a jazzier Mad Dogs & Englishmen or Delaney & Bonnie - big rootsy sound, they can go small or big. I even like the wild "Don't Know What It Means" solo. I like that everybody gets to play what they want, even the horn players get their moment. Alecia, Mike, and Mark all get their moments on stage.
I love their bass player, Tim Lefebvre, I actually think he fits in better than Oteil did. He had previously played bass for David Bowie, so he must be doing something right. He plays more in the pocket, but with all of the pieces to TTB, that might be what they need.
Again, some people are going to gravitate toward Mule more than TTB, different strokes. I dig a lot of Mule's covers, but a lot of them don't work for me. TTB picks the songs that fit their sound - they absolutely kill the Derek & the Dominoes and Joe Cocker material, and I loved hearing Traffic's "Don't Know What Tomorrow May Bring"
I will say, Let Me Get By is the first TTB studio album that I have spun a lot - much like another band we all love, TTB is a live band. I enjoyed Revelator and Made Up Mind, but the studio energy doesn't match their live show. I wouldn't try to make anyone like a band that they don't enjoy, but here are three of my favorite tracks from Let Me Get By:
I enjoy them, but do not feel compelled to see them every time they come through Chicago.
I thought the new album was good, and have no ill will towards this band, but do miss the DTB.
I enjoy them, but do not feel compelled to see them every time they come through Chicago.
I thought the new album was good, and have no ill will towards this band, but do miss the DTB.
This is about how I feel. I am seeing them this summer in Charlotte but mainly because I have a concert buddy there and also they are playing with North Mississippi Allstars !
Hasn't this always just come down to whether or not people like Susan's voice (or just her in general) or not?
Which, hey, nothing wrong with that. Plenty of people have their likes and dislikes.
Not in my case.
For dicusission and curiosity sake (no ill will etc) I don't get what is missing here:
this is very good.The differences from their other work(live & studio):
1.Susan sings instead of shouting or screaming.A vast improvement.
2.Derek's guitar leads fit the song.Often feels forced on their original stuff.
3.Mike sings-I used to not like him but with him & Susan,when they take turns it sounds better to me.
4.The horns fit here-they usually don't.
5.This is a cover & their covers are way better,buy not nearly as effective as Mule sine IMO Mule has,besides Derek,way more capable musicians---Jorgen & Matt are some of the best at what they do & i enjoy Danny more than Kofi.
The bass player-was this their regular guy? If so,it seemed a much weaker performance than he usually provides--I was surprised at the bass in this...
again,thanks for posting!
No that is Eric Krasno playing bass at that show before Tim was named full time.
that would explain the problem-thanks for filling that in!
Regarding Susan, I would have to say I disagree about her not screaming. It never seemed like she did but to me it sure seems as though she does now.
As for Leon Russell, I never knew about his medial issues and that is indeed a shame. I have seen him more than once and he wasn't friendly. The first time people were lined up outside his tour bus after the show trying to get an autograph. A hand would be extended to a roadie and a fan would give what they wanted signed. Hand would then return from the tour bus with the item. Who knew what person signed it.
This was outside a small club. It wasn't like he was being mobbed. And the times I saw him the only thing he said was thank you when he left the stage. Never said anything else to the crowd.
Not trying to rail on the guy. I like his music. That's why I chose to go to the first Chicago show when he was performing. He was great.
Just my experiences.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
actually they would be pretty good....... if they just had....
More Cowbell..............
Cowbell or not, the pre-sale for the Beacon went pretty darn fast. I sure hope they continue to play small theatres.
I don't get all the venom and hate. I just don't. Why do people feel the need?
I just bought EIGHT tickets for next Friday in Newark... bringing my whole family, plus my sister, brother-in-law and nephew... Only music we all LOVE and that alone is priceless... I can't think of any other show my 12 year old would beg to go to and my 15 and 18 year olds would gladly give up a weekend night with their friends to attend with their fam... I for one can not put a price on that.
