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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The crowd loves Jimmy Page. I saw The Firm tour for their second album, and the crowd was nuts. Great time. I did listen to a Firm bootleg today to see what i thought. Meh.

I saw one show...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The crowd loves Jimmy Page. I saw The Firm tour for their second album, and the crowd was nuts. Great time. I did listen to a Firm bootleg today to see what i thought. Meh.

I saw one show from each Page / Plant tour, and again the crowd was rabid. Every song was met with approval. I liked the experimental nature of the first tour better. I was a bit miffed that the second guitarist played some of the more nimble parts, but he sounded good. They took more chances. They had the middle eastern players; they did one solo Plant song (Calling to You) that KILLED, they did a Coverdale / Page tune that must have killed Plant (Shake my Tree), and they dven did a song by the Cure. They did more experimenting with the songs. For the next album, i saw them play as a 4 piece, much more conservative, aiming for the recorded version as much as possible. I think i went deaf during Page / Crowes, but it was great to hear Zepp songs with 3 guitar players. It is a bummer that they couldnt put Crowes songs on the live CD.

I'll buy an album by Page. I'd debate seeing him live at this point.

He released some rare stuff on limited release vinyl, i guess the Kenneth Anger Lucifer Rising soundtrack. Anyone get that or hear it?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[[quote

Page is a legend and I don&#039;t need him to match his prime anymore. Would I enjoy an album and tour? Definitely. 

Good posts c mule, and the above sums it up for me.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[[quote

Page is a legend and I don't need him to match his prime anymore. Would I enjoy an album and tour? Definitely. </blockquote>

Good posts c mule, and the above sums it up for me.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I would have agreed but then I saw some absolutely stellar shows on the Page/Plant tours especially on the No Quarter Tour. Having an extra guitarist allowed him to focus more on his leads....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>I would have agreed but then I saw some absolutely stellar shows on the Page/Plant tours especially on the No Quarter Tour. Having an extra guitarist allowed him to focus more on his leads.

Has he lost some chops? Definitely as long stretches without playing much will do that. And there have been many long stretches since before Bonham died. From 75 on, lots of things went wrong and there would be long gaps. That with a dose of heroin/alcohol can make picking up a guitar unappealing. The same happened with Clapton and when he returned, I saw shows where the other guitarist would take plenty of the leads. Only after he gave up the alcohol did his mojo start to return.

Page is a legend and I don't need him to match his prime anymore. Would I enjoy an album and tour? Definitely. </blockquote>

Ditto -- the No Quarter tour in 1994 at the Garden was frickin great -- fantastic -- they came back later that year and played in the new FleetCenter -- didn't go to that one but it was well reviewed
Jimmy is the man -- Zep rocks forever]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I would have agreed but then I saw some absolutely stellar shows on the Page/Plant tours especially on the No Quarter Tour. Having an extra guitarist allowed him to focus more on his leads....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I would have agreed but then I saw some absolutely stellar shows on the Page/Plant tours especially on the No Quarter Tour. Having an extra guitarist allowed him to focus more on his leads.

Has he lost some chops? Definitely as long stretches without playing much will do that. And there have been many long stretches since before Bonham died. From 75 on, lots of things went wrong and there would be long gaps. That with a dose of heroin/alcohol can make picking up a guitar unappealing. The same happened with Clapton and when he returned, I saw shows where the other guitarist would take plenty of the leads. Only after he gave up the alcohol did his mojo start to return.

Page is a legend and I don't need him to match his prime anymore. Would I enjoy an album and tour? Definitely.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Can we please face the facts. The guy was a great guitarist. For whatever reason he chose to lay low for many years. Celebration Day had very little to celebrate. Much like Dickey Betts post...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Can we please face the facts. The guy was a great guitarist. For whatever reason he chose to lay low for many years. Celebration Day had very little to celebrate. Much like Dickey Betts post ABB , Page seems to have lost his chops. I would have no desire to pay big $ to see Page. If it's a freebie, maybe.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 08:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think everyone DOES compare Stones and Who releases to their 60s and 70s work and finds it wanting, but Keith and Pete were not gunslingers the way Page was. If Page, Townsend, and Richard...]]></description>
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I think everyone DOES compare Stones and Who releases to their 60s and 70s work and finds it wanting, but Keith and Pete were not gunslingers the way Page was. If Page, Townsend, and Richards had all disappeared in 1981, it would not have mattered. </blockquote>

I think the same could be said about pretty much every 60s-70s artist. Clapton, Floyd, Deep Purple, ABB etc. All hit their peaks by the mid 70s.

While releases may be compared with others it is to a much lesser degree than Page for some reason. When he releases something, he is crucified for it not matching Zeppelin's standards. While Plant can release an album of mostly cover songs that is pretty much put together by the producer and be praised.

Richards releases a solo album that comes no where close to classic Stones level and yet it gets rave reviews. In some reviews, it gets 8 or 9 out of 10. That must mean Sticky Fingers is a 15 out of 10. Townshend can release old demos and crap concept albums and gets called genius for them. Clapton releases a blues cover album that doesn't come close to matching Cream/Layla era and yet it is called a masterpiece. Does an Unplugged album where the band and material are put together for him and again is praised.

One reason for this is that most of those artists have released lots of crap where Page has not. Perhaps that drives up the expectation level.

Another is that Page is reluctant to give up any control. The only time that he did was around the Outrider period where John Kalodner was pulling strings for far too many artists. His influence had a negative effect on that album. Most of the other artists like Clapton will allow someone to come in and do all the heavy lifting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and you get bad albums produced by Phil Collins.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Page lost his chops. He was seen as one of the greatest in rock in the late 60s / early 70s. Cutting edge guitar. 

It seems like he stopped practicing in the mid 70s and just started catc...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Page lost his chops. He was seen as one of the greatest in rock in the late 60s / early 70s. Cutting edge guitar. 

It seems like he stopped practicing in the mid 70s and just started catching a huge buzz that left him wrecked in terms of ideas and skills by the early 1980s. You watch that Led Zepp Danish tv b &amp; w footage from 1969; it is a MASTER CLASS in guitar. By comparison, at Live Aid or with The Firm, he couldnt play a coherent solo. It's pretty telling that with Coverdale and with Plant, he would either aim to approximate the studio record solo or else would strum. To put it another way, there are not many Jimmy Page solos post-1982 that are memorable. In "Unplugged," the best he did was recall some licks in "Since I Been Loving You"; in the 2007 reunion gig, he just strummed and arpeggiated through "Song Remains the Same." 

Think about the singles he has been on; Coverdale / Page's "Pride and Joy" has no lead guitar, just harmonica. Outrider's "Wasting my Time" had a very basic slide riff, no real lead. Unplugged offered "Gallow's Pole" - strumming, no lead. The Walking into Clarks disc had "Most High" and "Shining in the Light" - no lead guitar. 

By contrast, Santana or Jeff Beck still BLAZE. Clapton can play circles around Page; in fact, it is worth comparing their Live Aid sets, if you want to see a turning point in fortunes. The world wanted  a Zep reunion more than anything; it got a sloppy Page. By contrast, Clapton came out and played a 60s hit, a 70s hit, and an 80s hit, all with blazing guitar and powerful vocals. He made a real statement.

I think everyone DOES compare Stones and Who releases to their 60s and 70s work and finds it wanting, but Keith and Pete were not gunslingers the way Page was. If Page, Townsend, and Richards had all disappeared in 1981, it would not have mattered. Their best work was done. Some of my other lead guitar heros had huge declines; Peter Green and Mick Taylor both lost some chops. Tommy Bolin in 1976 could not play like he did in 1973. Tragic.

I maintain that Page can still write some decent riffs, but he needs lead guitar lessons, an editor / producer, and a good strong singer. He can't serve up "Radioactive" or "Prison Blues" or "Boys Are Feeling Hot Tonight." Here's hoping.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It is hilarious that some seem to think Zeppelin are the only ones to steal a riff or lyrics. The music industry is built on it. Besides Zeppelin has been copied and ripped off far more than...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>

It is hilarious that some seem to think Zeppelin are the only ones to steal a riff or lyrics. The music industry is built on it. Besides Zeppelin has been copied and ripped off far more than any artist they stole from so it all came full circle.

Everything else has just been a bonus. Trading on past glories? Sure. But all of those classic artists are. The ABB set lists till the end were comprised of songs over 40 years old. Past glories. </blockquote>

I basically agree with your point about Zeppelin although it would have been nice if they had acknowledged a bit more. I like how Dickey said on stage and in recordings that a particular song is considered a traditional song. Isn't imitation the sincerest from of flattery? :)  

Regarding your ABB statement, I agree with that as well. They have covered all kinds of stuff. Lots of bands have. I do think the ABB have given the bands they covered their due. :)   </blockquote>

I meant more in the sense that past work is the peak and keeps them relevant. New material does not stand a chance in matching past material or success. Even if it was as good, it would not be viewed as such because of the familiarity of the old material.

Nobody has maintained their peak level over 50 years or even 10 years for that matter. The Stones, Who, Clapton etc all release material and it is accepted and not every release compared to their peak. Clapton will never release an album of the quality of Layla and each release not compared directly. Everything Page has ever done is compared directly to Led Zeppelin.

I never really got why that is.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Looks like a bowl full of Skittles]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It is hilarious that some seem to think Zeppelin are the only ones to steal a riff or lyrics. The music industry is built on it. Besides Zeppelin has been copied and ripped off far more than...]]></description>
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It is hilarious that some seem to think Zeppelin are the only ones to steal a riff or lyrics. The music industry is built on it. Besides Zeppelin has been copied and ripped off far more than any artist they stole from so it all came full circle.

Everything else has just been a bonus. Trading on past glories? Sure. But all of those classic artists are. The ABB set lists till the end were comprised of songs over 40 years old. Past glories. </blockquote>

I basically agree with your point about Zeppelin although it would have been nice if they had acknowledged a bit more. I like how Dickey said on stage and in recordings that a particular song is considered a traditional song. Isn't imitation the sincerest from of flattery? :)  

Regarding your ABB statement, I agree with that as well. They have covered all kinds of stuff. Lots of bands have. I do think the ABB have given the bands they covered their due. :)]]></content:encoded>
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