Part of me hopes that the next ABB/Gregg/Warren/Derek project gets funded by PledgeMusic or something like that just to see the reaction on here.

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I haven't read where anybody said that the current line-up of Foghat was a bad band or not legitimate.

Familiarity was a word that I used. Comparisons with the final incarnation of the Allman Brother's Band have limited validity. The difference? The long-time (and new) fans of the ABB accepted the rotating cast of characters. It's really just that.

I'm sure the new Foghat is a great band. If they play a festival or something near where I live, I'll show oup and give 'em a listen.

I always find it funny that people on this forum are critical of bands continuing with other members. Foghat's two guitarists died and the band continued. Sound familiar?

Winner winner, chicken dinner!! Way to hit the nail on the head!

Familiarity was a word that I used. Comparisons with the final incarnation of the Allman Brother's Band have limited validity. The difference? The long-time (and new) fans of the ABB accepted the rotating cast of characters. It's really just that.

So if I don't accept them, then they're exactly like Foghat?? I'd bet there's plenty of folks who think the band "died" when Duane did or when Berry did or when Dickey left, etc. I disagree with you: It's exactly the same as the ABB. Sorry, but it's the truth.

I always find it funny that people on this forum are critical of bands continuing with other members. Foghat's two guitarists died and the band continued. Sound familiar?

Winner winner, chicken dinner!! Way to hit the nail on the head!

Yup.

Familiarity was a word that I used. Comparisons with the final incarnation of the Allman Brother's Band have limited validity. The difference? The long-time (and new) fans of the ABB accepted the rotating cast of characters. It's really just that.

I think perhaps you are over looking the fact that tickets sales dropped drastically compared to the Dickey/Warren era as did the sale of HTN compared to previous albums.

The ABB went from full sheds and An Evening with.. shows to opening shows for Linnie Skinnie as attendance dropped each year and promoters started to pass on booking them as sales dropped. The co-headlining route was needed or start playing smaller venues for much less cash.

It could very easily be debated about the fans accepting changes. Just look back at the wars on here. Attendance and sales speak for themselves.

Another difference being that both guys in Foghat died while Dickey was fired. The ABB had the choice to retain as much of the original lineup as possible but chose not to. Duane and Berry were as vital to the lineup as Dave and Rod were. In both cases the bands carried on.

Using total album sales for the individual albums in the 90's vs 2003 are not the best comparison. The bottom was already falling out on CD sales in 2003 when HTN came out. Around 2000 CD sales plummeted. The best way to compare the album's performance is to look at the charts and how it compared to how other albums at the time same time. Nobody goes platinum anymore, and it's hard to even find gold albums.

Seven Turns peaked at 53
Shades of Two Worlds peaked at 85
Where It All Begins peaked at 45
Hittin The Note peaked at 37

Going by how it compared to other albums out at the time, Hittin' The Note was the most successful ABB album since Reach For The Sky hit 27 in 1980.

I don't know how ticket sales changed after Dickey left the band vs before however I think the best comparison there would be to take out the Seven Turns tour as it would likely have sold better based on the name The Allman Brothers Band being back out there on tour for the first time in almost a decade.

Also, let's not over estimate the average classic rock fan and their knowledge of who is actually in the band. Most just see the band name and decide to go or not.

Sales of HTN were not close to BWIAB (even those sales were slow). Charting represents how Sanctuary shipped and not actual sales and returns. All part of their downfall. An album can chart and then never sell another copy. Sales are where it is at to represent fans owning and actual money being made.

After Sanctuary and HTN, none of the major companies wanted the ABB in any way.

Great album and I wish it had done better but even some on here never bought it.

I agreed that sales of HTN wasn't not close to probably any album in the band's history. In almost any other era I'd say it's ok to compare sales. However with anything post 2000 it isn't a fair comparison. The industry was completely different from 1995 to 2003. It is an apples and oranges thing.

It would be even worse had they put out an album a couple of years ago before the band called it a day. Today if an album sells 100,000 copies it's rare and a minor celebration where in the past that would be grounds for dropping them from a label.

Either way, album sales or ticket sales would have been significantly higher if the band had a management and promotions team that was up to par which they really haven't had. It's not like a whole lot of effort has been put into promoting the band (other than by the HTN magazine) at all over the past couple of decades.

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Good points and the decline of overall CDs is a good point also but the dinosaur 😉 fan base of the ABB was still buying discs. Just didn't sell. We could attribute many reasons for it. But Sanctuary did support it and it actually was part of the downfall for the label.

Agree completely about the band's business plan. The only thing that was implemented was the selling of shows which took them quite a while to figure out. You would think that just looking at the Mule's success with live shows would have convinced them sooner.

Some very insightful and interesting posts.

I was wanting to start a thread similair to whats being talked about.

Dee Snider earlier this year made a comment about Doug Aldrich.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/doug-aldrich-dee-snider-stunned-insult/

“What Whitesnake album of importance did @Douglas_Aldrich play on?,” adding that he was “tired of musicians who joined famous bands after their heyday claiming they are from those bands. They had nothing to do with success!” Aldrich responded in kind, telling Snider that he “did my best to keep the band moving forward” and “was blessed to compose 30 tunes,” before adding, “You are a total jackass though.”

Also Dee was on Eddie Trunks podcast, going on about that subject about people who are in bands, but were not there from the incarnation or doing they're prolific period. I thought his rant did not hold much weight. He seems kinda like a blow hard.
Here is a link to that podcast
http://podcastone.com/Eddie-Trunk-Podcast?showAllEpisodes=true

Also there has been talks about Foreigner. Where the only member is Mick Jones and I guess when they tour he does not even play the whole show, just certain songs. I am not sure if I have that totally straight, but I have heard that.

I know it's been rumored that KISS is planing on having Gene and Paul replaced and still have the band perform live without those two, but with replacements. I heard Queen might do that also.

It's all very interetsting.

There was only one real album of importance for Whitesnake and that was John Sykes and he didn't even get to tour for it. So not sure where Dee was going with that. Aldrich is a great player and his releases with Whitesnake are pretty good. As good as Coverdale will be with anyone at this point. He left when Coverdale got off the tracks about new music and went Purple songs.

Easy to say for Dee as he was an original in his band I guess.

Jones comes out after half the show. Seems more like a guest than the guy running the band. But it did allow them to add a stronger lead player and improve the over all live sound.

Gene has definitely mentioned having replacements. I have never heard or read about Paul saying the same but considering the cash options I would not rule him out. Can have a sort of Beatlemania type KISS act and if they blow enough stuff up live - it will work.

There was only one real album of importance for Whitesnake and that was John Sykes and he didn't even get to tour for it. So not sure where Dee was going with that. Aldrich is a great player and his releases with Whitesnake are pretty good. As good as Coverdale will be with anyone at this point. He left when Coverdale got off the tracks about new music and went Purple songs.

Easy to say for Dee as he was an original in his band I guess.

Jones comes out after half the show. Seems more like a guest than the guy running the band. But it did allow them to add a stronger lead player and improve the over all live sound.

Gene has definitely mentioned having replacements. I have never heard or read about Paul saying the same but considering the cash options I would not rule him out. Can have a sort of Beatlemania type KISS act and if they blow enough stuff up live - it will work.

I assume as far as "real album of importance for Whitesnake" was the 1987 release "Whitesnake"
, is the one you are refering to. I agree as far as popularity,sales,hits and etc.

This is kinda off the point of discussion but the Whitesnake album "Slide It In " , IMHO is probably one of the best hard rock release of the 80's along with "Headhunter " by Krokus and "MSG" by the Michael Schenker Group. Sorry , just had to go there for a minute!!! 😉

Sykes appeared on the US version/release of Slide it in. That release is strong top to bottom.
The UK version was
David Coverdale-Vocalls
Mel Galley – guitars, backing vocals
Micky Moody – guitars
Colin Hodgkinson – bass
Jon Lord – keyboards
Cozy Powell – drums

Neil Murray and Skykes came in for the US release. That was a power house lineup with Lord and Powell.

Whitesnake prior to the 1987 album (maybe or the US version Slide It In) was a pretty solid blues rock band.

Anything with Ian Paice and Jon Lord on it is usually gold by me.

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Slide It In is my favorite followed by all the prior to it. I agree that anything with the Purple guys works for me. I have turned tons of people on to those first 3 albums. Never really got airplay and many never heard them.

That 1987 album was a completely different level of success though. All other sales combined are maybe a quarter of that album. Amazing what having Tawny Kitaen roll around on a car can do.

Personally I have always thought that Coverdale's lyrics are the weak part of Whitesnake. The guy has to put Love in every damn song. 😛 Makes me laugh when I listen to Slide It In. Even did it on the album with Jimmy Page.

I always find it funny that people on this forum are critical of bands continuing with other members. Foghat's two guitarists died and the band continued. Sound familiar?

Winner winner, chicken dinner!! Way to hit the nail on the head!

Yup.

True, except, unlike the ABB, one of those 2 Foghat guitarists also sang all the songs, and Lonesome Dave was the signature sound to Foghat as far as my ears are concerned. Heck, Savoy Brown for that matter, as Looking In and Raw Sienna ARE Savoy Brown for me.

 

Whitesnake's Ready An' Willing from '80 has always been one of my favorite albums start to finish. There is certainly a Purple sheen to it.

As for Foghat, I am a big fan of the original band, and I am open to giving the current incarnation a fair shot, but don't expect it to surpass the original. Having them out there will hopefully turn some new folks on to the great music they made over the years.

Slide It In is my favorite followed by all the prior to it. I agree that anything with the Purple guys works for me. I have turned tons of people on to those first 3 albums. Never really got airplay and many never heard them.

That 1987 album was a completely different level of success though. All other sales combined are maybe a quarter of that album. Amazing what having Tawny Kitaen roll around on a car can do.

Personally I have always thought that Coverdale's lyrics are the weak part of Whitesnake. The guy has to put Love in every damn song. 😛 Makes me laugh when I listen to Slide It In. Even did it on the album with Jimmy Page.

I always find it funny that people on this forum are critical of bands continuing with other members. Foghat's two guitarists died and the band continued. Sound familiar?

Winner winner, chicken dinner!! Way to hit the nail on the head!

Yup.

True, except, unlike the ABB, one of those 2 Foghat guitarists also sang all the songs, and Lonesome Dave was the signature sound to Foghat as far as my ears are concerned. Heck, Savoy Brown for that matter, as Looking In and Raw Sienna ARE Savoy Brown for me.

I agree about Dave's obvious importance but many including myself believe that without Duane, there would never have been an ABB. Once you combine the talents of Berry and his skills as a bassist and the member with the most actual music theory knowledge, the ABB took a hit like no other band IMO.

The debate over whether or not some bands should use a name and the judgement of them is all opinion and will change nothing. Those that are opposed won't go or buy anything so that renders them not part of the equation really. The bands won't lose any sleep over it.

Those that go, have fun and enjoy themselves are happy and harm no one. Some just don't care about who is playing while others just accept it and enjoy the music. What matters is whether or not the band plays well really.

Dave got Bryan to join him as Rod was ill and didn't want to anymore. Did Roger, Craig and the guitarist that Dave picked have the right to continue? Legally yes and IMO I think so too. Carries on the band's music and earns them a living. Obviously they can earn more than playing as The Roger Earl Band. If people are happy and go and allow them to earn more then I think that's great. I wish all of us made more money too.

They added Charlie who is a really talented guy and a wise choice. He has been there for 15 years now. Great singer and guitar player.

Musical Break
Charlie with Ted Nugent - One of my favorite Nugent songs with plenty of guitar with Charlie singing his ass off and some nice double leads with Ted.

Need You Bad

Foghat - Fool For The City

Each time that I have seen this lineup, they have been an opening act or part of a multi band show. Their sets have always been solid and the crowds enjoyed. That is what I judge and having fun is what R&R is about.

 

Man, we must really be hurting for things to talk about if we're arguing about the validity of the current Foghat lineup.

It could be worse, at one point there were multiple versions of LA Guns, Queensryche and Quiet Riot to debate about.

Man, we must really be hurting for things to talk about if we're arguing about the validity of the current Foghat lineup.

LMAO!

The ABB maintained signficant levels of credibility compared to a many '70s bands hanging on in latter years. Heck Rolling Stone just did a feature and interview on the ABB's one year annivesary of their final show. Comparisons to Foghat or others in their sunset are a stretcccccch.

As for Foghat, their current bassist was part of the band starting in '76 for a number of years and was on the Foghat LIVE album that lots of people seemed to have back in the day.

I saw Foghat in the early 80s with Erik Cartwright on the guitar as an opener for Triumph. They had a minor MTV hit at the time, Slipped Tripped and Fell in Love....it wasn't great then and it hasn't exactly aged well...but they were good live and a nice opener.

In the mid/late 90s, my friend & I grabbed last minute tickets to a triple bill at Chastain Park: Foghat, Blue Oyster Cult and Stepenwolf. Foghat opened and we had not idea we were walking in to see the original lineup. They were great. My buddy and I still talk about how impressed we were that night...we had no idea they'd sound that good. BOC and Stepenwolf came on later with two and one member from their heydays respectively and were real disapointing. I had seen BOC a coulple times in the early '80s and the delivered, but this one wasn't good. The sound system wasn't as good after Foghat that night either.

As for the GoFundMe type websites, I say more power to them! I've helped support albums and artists this way and will continue. It's one of the new models in the new world we are in.

"Ladies & Gentleman Please Welcome (back to this thread) -

The current (& longtime) version of the band -

"Fool For The City":

"My Babe":

"I Just Want To Make Love To You":