Not me, but my daughter. Has this ever happened to you? And let's not get into the whole Dickey thing here.
Circumstances included over five years at the position working with kids in gymnastics, mutual admiration between her and the kids, never late, flexible in accommodating schedules, and no warning that her job was in jeopardy. Triggering event was likely that did not get along with one of the owner's preferred employees (friend?) but there never was an instance of a hostile interaction. I think the owner didn't talk to her because she knew there was no good cause and took the coward's way out. All in all, pretty crappy treatment treatment for sustained loyalty and performance. Any similar experiences?
At the very least it was a bush league move...
Hope your daughter finds something else soon
Got the Cabinet member treatment.
That sucks.
I have a lady friend who was fired by text at her convenience store job but she is well liked with better pay where she is now.
The ABB paid a big pile of money, 7 figures plus, after Dickey sued them. Linsey Buckingham is getting ready to sue Fleetwood Mac. And he'll get over a million dollars. Watch and see. Word is Stevie Nicks said she wouldn't tour with him anymore.
Don Felder sued the Eagles and showed Henley and Fry the Eagles wasn't just them. But it's hard to stay in the Eagles when you tell Glen Frye on stage that you are going to kick his butt when the show is over.
Its expensive to fire people who are major players in famous bands or big business. Average working people can be fired for the way they comb their hair or the kind of necktie they wear to work and can't afford to sue or have a chance at winning if they could afford a big time crooked lawyer.
I'm sorry to hear this Don! Sounds like a case for the Labor Board to me............I don't know what rights an employee has to dispute a firing or if is just employer's discretion and they have ultimate power?
she knew there was no good cause and took the coward's way out.
Seems to be the norm these days with people being so dependent on their devices, we have a generation of people who literally do not know how to interact with others. Keep your chin up, because in your heart you know your Daughter did not deserve this. Good karma is headed her way.....
Sorry to hear about this Don....She will end up in a better place, no doubt
Unfortunately almost all of us work under this type of agreement if we work for an employer:
At Will: Policy Statement. Your employment with [employer name] is at will. This means your employment is for an indefinite period of time and it is subject to termination by you or [employer name], with or without cause, with or without notice, and at any time.
However, if discrimination for age, race, gender etc is an issue then there is a chance for rehire and/or compensation.
I got fired over the phone once. Total dickhead manager. He died, heart attack. I was not unhappy.
I am by no means a labor lawyer but there is a term called "employment at will". Meaning either party can end the working relationship at any time, for any reason (obviously excluding illegal activities).
So the employee doesn't necessarily HAVE to give notice were the person to voluntarily leave but it is the right thing to do. And there's no way in hell an employer is going to give an employee advance notice that they are getting canned. What might the employee do if that were the case?
Been through a few of these. I knew the girl sitting next to me was getting let go. Should I tell her? I was ordered not to. I felt bad but it was my ass if I did tell her.
Having said all of that, a text is totally inappropriate and very cowardly.
Probably not illegal I would guess. Seems really weird.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
And of course companies and businesses are complaining about employees "ghosting" them these days. In some cases, new hires don't even show up their first day. What goes around comes around.
Not smart on the employers part. No exit interview, no documentation. Will she get any kind of referral for those five years on her resume? I would at least consult a lawyer even if nothing comes of it.
And, as always, join your union.
And, as always, join your union.
Ha, why? Besides, not everyone works in a manufacturing plant. Probably not an option for most of the workforce anymore. Times have changed over the last few generations.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
did not get along with one of the owner's preferred employees (friend)
Sorry for your daughter, but gymnastics - like art/piano/music/dance - studios are usually small operations (often family businesses) where the Owner Rules because they're too small to be covered by employment regulations. They're loose operations - no staff meetings, handbooks, grievance processes - not corporate structures. Texting is probably a regular form of communication so "we don't need you anymore" isn't that far-fetched or cowardly.
IMO, your daughter missed the important cue that in a small business, who has the owner's ear is more important than whether the kids like their teacher/coach. Her job was doomed the minute she "didn't get along" w/the owner's friend.
Sounds like your daughter should take her admirable work habits into a larger, more structured environment.
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most states you can be let go for no reason and nothing can be done
And, as always, join your union.
Ha, why? Besides, not everyone works in a manufacturing plant. Probably not an option for most of the workforce anymore. Times have changed over the last few generations.
No matter what you do for a living, there's a union with members who do the same thing. Unions represent:
• mechanics,
• teachers,
• factory workers,
• office workers,
• actors,
• musicians,
• police officers,
• construction workers,
• airline pilots,
• janitors,
• plumbers,
• doctors,
• pharmacists,
• IT/computer professionals,
• government workers at all levels,
• engineers,
• writers,
• nurses,
• and many more types of workers.
https://www.unionplus.org/page/how-do-unions-work
[Edited on 12/18/2018 by aiq]
It is a life teaching to learn from, file away, and move on. Life is sometimes unfair. People can sometimes be unbelievably tactless. Whammies can come from left field. Fighting it has bad success odds and who wants a job they strongarm a company into giving them back? And compensation for labor injustices takes years typically. And attorneys. I would encourage daughter to learn, move on, and not linger in the negative of it.
I saw someone fired recently and the only reason was because she didn't "gel" [get along] with her co-worker. About 2 weeks after she got fired, the co-worker she did not 'get along with' did not come in to work and was reported to be in re-hab for drug problems. When bosses use nepotism in a business it is never a good move, it is like playground politics and I hope the one who was fired moves on to someplace better. They try to create these mini-family relationship groups and they ought to just keep it on a business level, but needy dysfunctional people just keep the drama going in their lives, and they use that 'we're like family' crap to manipulate workers to settle for low wages and sometimes poor working conditions. My goal is to get to the point where I can just trade stocks, tell corporate America to eff off, live my life being happy!
Never any intention to fight this as "at will employment" is pretty much the name of the game. Was more interested in getting a sampling just how common shoddy employee dismissals were. While shocked and disappointed my daughter is definitely ready to move on.
And, as always, join your union.
Ha, why? Besides, not everyone works in a manufacturing plant. Probably not an option for most of the workforce anymore. Times have changed over the last few generations.
No matter what you do for a living, there's a union with members who do the same thing. Unions represent:
• mechanics,
• teachers,
• factory workers,
• office workers,
• actors,
• musicians,
• police officers,
• construction workers,
• airline pilots,
• janitors,
• plumbers,
• doctors,
• pharmacists,
• IT/computer professionals,
• government workers at all levels,
• engineers,
• writers,
• nurses,
• and many more types of workers.https://www.unionplus.org/page/how-do-unions-work
[Edited on 12/18/2018 by aiq]
well that is 100% false. not every job has a union. I work for a financial center and there are no unions allowed when it comes to banks. second there is no IT union around here and if there was all the people I know from maintech and IBM and oracle who have been laid off wouldn't be acting the way they do
Was more interested in getting a sampling just how common shoddy employee dismissals were.
IMO, there's really no such thing as a "good" termination notice. The employee isn't making a choice.
Texting & SM have changed the way organizations communicate. As Ron said, when POTUS is tweeting policy decisions, including terminations, to the world w/o bothering to notify anyone in advance, don't expect too much from employers.
[Edited on 12/20/2018 by cyclone88]
I stand by my posts. Just because a workplace isn't organised does not mean there not a union available.
The war on unions began in earnest with Reagan and yes there is less membership than in the past. Ask yourself why. Who benefits from that mindset?
One more question. I have a pension, do you?
I stand by my posts. Just because a workplace isn't organised does not mean there not a union available.
The war on unions began in earnest with Reagan and yes there is less membership than in the past. Ask yourself why. Who benefits from that mindset?
One more question. I have a pension, do you?
you shouldn't stand beside it because it is ILLEGAL for anyone working at a government regulated bank to form or participate in a union. has nothing to do with my workplace not being organized. on top of that it is the same for certain IT companies who are contracted by banks to do work.
What does the union do for the shutdown fed employees who aren't getting paid?
I stand by my posts. Just because a workplace isn't organised does not mean there not a union available.
The war on unions began in earnest with Reagan and yes there is less membership than in the past. Ask yourself why. Who benefits from that mindset?
One more question. I have a pension, do you?
I do. Very good one and I worked for a non-Union company my whole career. My 7th day of work was the day of RR's first inauguration.
[Edited on 12/23/2018 by DeadMallard]
