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JimSheridan
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There's a music and culture site called Paste, and somehow i got on their mailing list. It has some good stuff; it has the video of the ABB at Fillmore 9/23/70 video on it. It's the usual one, with pro filming but Gregg's mic very low in mix.

I'm just wondering - for video quality, it is one of the better things I have ever seen with Duane. IS there an audio out there with Gregg at full volume that could be synched up to it?

Or even - this is heresy I know - drop in a Gregg vocal track from a similar show from that era onto that video?


 
Posted : April 22, 2020 5:37 pm
robertdee
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Yes the vocals aren't very good. Actually the band is a bit muted in their playing. They all seem constrained. Dickey makes a stick out mistake at the end of Duane's solo on Whipping Post causing Gregg to briefly pause his vocal after singing the first of the second verse. Duane gives Dickey at glance.

This, I think, was filmed for a PBS segment on the band but apparently they didnt use it but it eventually got out to traders and fans.

It could be they could improve it in a modern mixing studio or drop in vocals from another show.


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 4:04 am
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Yes, it was filmed for broadcast, but unused due to Gregg's mic technicalities.

If there is an audience recording of this particular show, an audio engineer could probably isolate Gregg's vocals and splice them into the filmed mix. However, the Live Show Database doesn't feature a version with properly mic'd vocals, so that means the source of the recording is from the filming. If Gregg's mic was an issue in the PA it seems unlikely they wouldn't have fixed it on the spot.

Taking audio from a different show would be problematic - there are always slight differences in tempo and cadence. It's unlikely it would match and would be probably be distracting.

I say enjoy it for what it is, no need to Frankenstein it into something that it isn't.


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Posted : April 23, 2020 6:24 am
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I agree porkchopbob. Live version of songs are different every night including the pacing of the vocals.

The film has many good moments and nice playing. It's fun to see the guys on a screen playing so long ago and to see how young they are. I had forgotten how skinny Butch Trucks was then. I remember Duane being skinny and occasionally you could see he needed dental work. Jaimoe was muscular. The band was more powerful and stretched out more when I saw them in the 1970 then on this film. In 1971 they were even better. So hot and tight and taking chances that always seemed rehearsed on the jamming parts but they swear someone would jump into the deep end and the others went too. That came from 305 shows in 1970 alone. That whips a band into shape.

Les Dudek said Dickey contacted him about joining a band Dickey would put together. Said Dickey questioned whether they could continue that band without Duane. Duane was the sparkplug they all followed on stage. But they met and decided to tour in support of Eat A Peach and it sold over a million copies so they stayed together. Les wanted to join but Gregg and Butch didn't want another guitar player so they added Chuck Leavell. But Dickey was still inviting Les over and once when Dickey and his wife Blue Sky were grilling steaks, Dickey showed Les Jessica but he was stuck on how to bring it back around, threw down his acoustic guitar and went into another part of the house. Les claimes when Dickey came back, Les showed Dickey the bridge and Dickey used it but Phil Walden wouldn't allow Les to have even a 95% Dickey, 5% Les Dudek writing credit.

Les also said Dickey invited him to play lead guitar harmony on Ramblin' Man but Dickey only let Les play acoustic guitar on Jessica and told him they didn't want people to think he was replacing Duane. Les was there when they recorded Brothers and Sisters and Berry's death.

Here is Les Dudek playing Old Judge Jones live. Great guitar!!! One of my favorites he wrote. It's on one of his Columbia solo albums from the 1970s. I bought two of them back then.

[Edited on 4/23/2020 by blackey]


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 8:21 am
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Butting in here with a 1970 Warehouse question, something I should know but sh!t tell me again. I listened to my warehouse CDs and viewed some still photos, looks like at some points at least, Dickey and Duane were playing either sunburst or tobacco Les Paul's at the same time, please tell us again You Guys??..........Peace........and stay low..........joe


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 8:34 am
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Just listening again to the link above of Les Dudek playing guitar. He plays enough like an Allman Brother that Les could play in The Brothers if Derek Trucks or Warren Haynes didn't want to do a little Beacon stand. Les and Jack Pearson.

Crazy Joe. I saw several shows in 1970. The band played 305 but a lot of opening act gigs for the first half atleast of 1970 but even though that is not doing a 2 or 3 hour show, the traveling was just as hard and they didn't have a big tour bus. They all were jammed into close quarters for over a year. Duane, Gregg, Dickey, Berry, Butch and Jaimoe got to know each other REAL WELL. Too well. But you know all that.

In 1970 Duane had a Goldtop but occasionally would play an ES-335 that was tobacco burst as I remember. Wille Nelson supposedly has that guitar now. And once I saw him on a black Les Paul. Dickey was on a sunburst Fender Stratocaster much of the time and some on an SG with a whammy bar. By Summer 1970 Dickey was on the same SG most of the time instead of the Strat but the whammy bar was gone but you could see the holes where it was mounted. That is the guitar Dickey gave Duane for slide so he wouldn't have to retune his Les Paul. On Dimples on Duane Allman Anthology 2, Dickey is playing his old Strat and if you listen carefully you can tell by the tone except Dickey made other guitars sound a little like a Gibson some how.

Duane swapped his gold top for a sunburst Les Paul then Dickey got a Les Paul. They said it was in Detroit. But Dickey didn't like it. But he loved the tone Duane was getting. Dickey went through several including one he threw across the stage. Red Dog said it wasn't broken so he put it in Dickey's gear place. When Dickey saw it the next day he beat it into the floor so hard the neck broke off so Red Dog put it in the dumpster. They claimed Dickey also used a Duane backup sunburst with a pick guard some in 1970. I don't recall that but some of my old buddies who were followers of the band back then said that. Dickey also played a sunburst LP he later gave to Dan Toler on Fillmore East but soon found a Goldtop he liked better and it's on OWO on Eat A Peach. Fantastic tone. But after Duane died Dickey got a sunburst Les Paul with zebra pickups. It had a thinner tone I thought, more like a jazz hallow body. Dickey kept that until late 1974 when he found Goldie in a pawn shop in New York City. The sunburst with zebra pickups was a very beautiful Les Paul. I ask the sound guy what happened to it when I noticed Dickey on the Goldie Goldtop and he said the one with zebra pickups wouldn't stay in tune.

Duane was playing a tobacco burst Les Paul in 1971 with DUANE on the back of the body made with old frets. He had a similar looking one for backup. I saw a picture of Duane with both of them at a music store on the wall. The guy said he told Duane's daughter about the picture and she never saw it before so he sent her a copy. She looks just like Duane in the face.


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 9:29 am
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I actually played around with splicing "similar" audio into both Dreams and Don't Keep Me Wondering. I know that porkchopbob got a copy from me. Anyway, if you would like to see my "clean-up" attempt private message me with your email address and I will send it via Dropbox. I will let you guess the substitute performances but both were on official releases.

BTW, I did at one time try to post this on youtube but it immediately banned for copyright.

Also some members in the ABB organization got a chance to see it. They seemed to like it.


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 9:40 am
stormyrider
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^^
cool

I watched Dreams today. Great version, and a chance to actually see Duane.
Besides not being able to hear Gregg, the guy deciding the camera shots wasn't listening to the music.


 
Posted : April 23, 2020 2:04 pm
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