Was listening to Derek and Susan lead the band through the song at the Jeff Beck Tribute and it just didn’t feel right. Then I got to thinking about it and I don’t know if the Allman Bros ever got the easy swing they had on it at the Fillmore after Duane died. I think it may be the hardest song to play right in the Allman catalog. Just my .02. Any opinions?
🎶🍄sorta felt it went to a sort of countrified easy swing vibe in the Chuck/Lamar band after the stinging slide/hard blues on the Fillmore record - later versions went back to the way the Duane/BO band played it (👂to my ears)🎼🎸
@stephen Duane and Berry's bass style must be the difference.
I saw ALL the lineups several times and to my ears none of the later lineups played those Fillmore East and Eat A Peach songs as well as the Duane/B.O. lineup. The original lineup is the "old time religion" Allman Brothers!!
Chuck has a decent swing on the song and I know Dickey didn't care for electric slide but he darn sure can play electric slide and play it well!!!
The Allman Bros added the swing to the song. Elmore James version is more barrel house foot stomp, which is the way TTB have played it in recent years. I always point to the Allman Brothers' "swing" as what sets them apart from bands of their ilk.
The Warren/Derek ABB lineup definitely brought the swing, especially with that swinging intro jam they added.
Swing on, porkchopbob - i41 never heard it that way - naturally it became so different afterward it could’ve been called anything - I call the Fillmore version hard blues-rock
swing I associate w/big bands, Benny Goodman, Tommy Dorsey, those types - the “it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing” era -
jump blues? again, I don’t know - Tiny Bradshaw 4 xmpl played jump blues, some say - they’re closely related imo (swing, jump blues)
@porkchopbob Gregg's vocals are strong. The intro is cool. It's a good version.
But it doesn't swing/rock like the Fillmore East version.
I'm telling you guys the later lineups don't equal the original band. They were the REAL Allman Brothers Band and Duane and Dickey were the best twin lead team too for the Allman Brothers sound.
🎸Yes, good submissions showing the various realms of the song
Scott Freeman said it well in his book when writing about Kinda Bird - “a rock band is not supposed to be this nimble, this full of swing”
those kinds of songs I hear what registers to my ear as elements of “swing” - Dickey loved all that stuff, Western swing, straight-ahead bebop w/JJ’s…..the swing of, I think, GA On A Fast Train from Collectors - Dickey, never forgotten, A Genius -
swing 4 xmpl I hear in the middle part of I-Illness - a Great ABB Instrumental
a lot of cool versions here w/the original etc
swing I associate w/big bands, Benny Goodman, Tommy Dorsey, those types - the “it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing” era -
"Swing" just refers to a staggered rhythm that gives music a groove, which Swing orchestras, rhythm & blues, Western Swing, and the Allman Brothers all have in common. For instance, listen to the Grateful Dead's version of "Turn on Your Lovelight" and then listen to the Gregg Allman Tour version. The Dead didn't swing, they typically played a consistent "straight" rhythm, where Gregg's version has a much more swinging bounce to it.
At closing night Ace wasn't there on harmonica. Hot version though.
Wow on the closing night version Duane Allman's slide solo is SO HOT, SO MUCH RAW ENERGY it's like a lightening bolt striking!!!
Is it over the top too much? I'm not sure.
Apparently Butch Trucks is not correct. Here Duane Allman is playing circles around Derek (he he)
I’m thinking the genius behind the swing on this song is BO. The rhythm section was constant for most of the bands history. Frankly Duane’s genius was the icing on the cake, but the rhythm section made it into something that wasn’t generic boogie blues. imho they should have retired this one after Oakley died-it never felt right after that
@linus I agree. Plus they never had another side player exactly like Duane with his crazy energy but Dickey and Gregg said they didn't want a player to try and copy Duane, they wanted the guitarist to be themselves. But Warren said on songs such as Statesboro Blues if you didn't play like Duane to an extent it wouldn't sound right.
- During Duane's wild off the tracks slide blast solo, Berry Oakley's bass is laying down the swing to my ears. So you are correct I think.
imho they should have retired this one after Oakley died-it never felt right after that
Hard disagree, and there's no reason to know who added a little swing to the song since the rhythm section would did the same on a number of other tunes. Derek used to slay this tune, and the song sting had the same swagger. I can't find the 3/23/2009 version with Thom Doucette, but it's sublime and swings. Here's a few others.
The song I think they should have shelved without Berry was "Stand Back". That song never sounded quite right live, especially when they replaced the keyboard part with 2nd guitar.
One aspect of ABB tunes is "how are we playing it tonight fellas". Robertdee no question there is a rawness of the Filmore/Peach versions of some songs that is unique. Duane - Berry... Then we get a couple of decades with Dickey, Dickey/Jack/Warren/Derek. I struggle to
suggest the best version was - as songs always morph. I prefer the longer, jammy versions personally, don't ever let it end man.
Truly appreciate the various versions posted.
@porkchopbob Blue Sky without Dickey never sounded right to me either. After Dickey was out and the few times they played Blue Sky I would head to the restroom or concession stand as I am a huge Dickey fan but that is another thread.
The original band on the catalog it had continues to be tops in my book ON ALL THE SONGS they played!! There is a unique chemistry with the six in the original band including that swing thing I don't exactly hear in later lineups. And yes Stand Back is a great example.
Butch Trucks in 2001said they were ditching all Dickey songs as soon as they came up with new instrumentals but that didn't happen.
And Butch would say outrageous things back then about Dickey such as Dickey is a mean drunk and drug addict, and occasionally he critized the original band. Such as his statement that Derek Trucks can play circles around Duane Allman. That is complete BS. I saw Duane kick butt at about 20 shows in 1970 & 71 and I've seen Derek Trucks several times including with Eric Clapton. Derek is an excellent slide guitar player but so is Duane Allman. And to me Duane had more raw energy in many of his solos that I don't hear with Derek or Warren. Derek and Duane are tlwo great slide players with DIFFERENT STYLES. Another is Jack Pearson and Warren Haynes is a good slide player. Everyone has their take and that is mine b
That statement by Butch was as ridiculous as when Eddie Van Halen said Jimmy Page plays like he has a broken right hand.
sting+swing=swagger>& hybrid brilliance only a band the caliber of All the musicians in the Brothers could’ve come up with - 🍄they were as big swingers off the stage as on too👩
🙏yes, great vids, fun to sample the various ‘genres’/mutations/incarnations/moods, of DSW🍑
Love all the side by side versions - thank you for posting those!!
One of the things that causes the old ABB to rock is that the drummers aren't pushing the beat. If the band lays back a hair it emotionally sounds fast but if you try to play it that way the groove (TTB I'm looking at you!) disappears
Butch in particular had that feeeel.
GA's musical motto was slow it down, and sometimes that's the way to make a song hit you as if it's faster.
There has to be some space around the sound too - why older versions of Dreams were so much more atmospheric than with all the percussion.
