Maybe "Southern Blues Rock" is more accurate depiction of the genre as many of the English blues artists talk about the early Southern Blues musicians as there inspirations.
ABB released four albums before Brothers and Sisters which created the sound that was expanded on by MT (great album) 73 , LS (1973) and so many others. Can we go full circle with this Free was influenced by the early blues players that at the same time influenced Duane, well documented early blues players Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson influence on Clapton, Zep etc. IMO
ABB created the sound that became southern rock.
Disagree. If it wasn't for "Ramblin Man" and the failed attempt at recreating that sound with "Louisiana Lou" that label may not have ever been applied. Look at the breakout record "LAFE" and all of the blues artists they covered there, does that recording even remotely sound like "Southern Rock"? My opinion is that they were perhaps the most complete Rock/Blues band to ever exist.......
yeah I gotta agree with you. how many big southern rock bands even had dual drummers?
Charlie Daniels Band
Outlaws
.38 Special
Can we go full circle with this Free was influenced by the early blues players that at the same time influenced Duane, well documented early blues players Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson influence on Clapton, Zep etc
No doubt. Blues roots, of all of it.
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^^
Yes it was
But- you could listen to the 1st 4 ABB albums and not know where they were from. Not so with MTB, CDB, the Outlaws, etc
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Yes it wasBut- you could listen to the 1st 4 ABB albums and not know where they were from. Not so with MTB, CDB, the Outlaws, etc
exactly
When I transitioned into a so called hippie in 1968 then got hooked on the Allman Brothers like finding a religion at some tent meeting, between then and about 1974, we had never heard of the term southern rock. The Confederate flag, southern band image began with Lynyrd Skynyrd and Sweet Home Alabama with the message to Neil Young in the lyric " Neil Young needs to remember a southern band dont need him around anyhow". And Charlie Daniel's The South's Gonna Do It Again with be proud you are a rebel and naming bands from the south named in the song.
Suddenly the crowds at even an Allman Brothers show was a mix of long haired red necks into Confederate flags and hippies. NOT the kind of crowd the original ABB attracted.
Maybe Dickey was a bit of a redneck back then but not the rest of them and when they put the band back on the road in 1989, they didn't have a red neck crowd especially in the north and west. The first time I saw them at the Beacon in 1992 it wasn't that red neck crowd you would see with Skynyrd, Molly Hatchett, Hank William's, Jr. etc. And musically the band was reborn. The band I saw in 1989, 1990, 91 and 92 at the Beacon was powerful and hitting the note. It was the original band vibe.
The Allman Brothers is NOT a Confederate flag band.
When I transitioned into a so called hippie in 1968 then got hooked on the Allman Brothers like finding a religion at some tent meeting, between then and about 1974, we had never heard of the term southern rock. The Confederate flag, southern band image began with Lynyrd Skynyrd and Sweet Home Alabama with the message to Neil Young in the lyric " Neil Young needs to remember a southern band dont need him around anyhow". And Charlie Daniel's The South's Gonna Do It Again with be proud you are a rebel and naming bands from the south named in the song.
Suddenly the crowds at even an Allman Brothers show was a mix of long haired red necks into Confederate flags and hippies. NOT the kind of crowd the original ABB attracted.
Maybe Dickey was a bit of a redneck back then but not the rest of them and when they put the band back on the road in 1989, they didn't have a red neck crowd especially in the north and west. The first time I saw them at the Beacon in 1992 it wasn't that red neck crowd you would see with Skynyrd, Molly Hatchett, Hank William's, Jr. etc. And musically the band was reborn. The band I saw in 1989, 1990, 91 and 92 at the Beacon was powerful and hitting the note. It was the original band vibe.
The Allman Brothers is NOT a Confederate flag band.
would help if you had the lyrics and context right for sweet home Alabama. neil young released the song "southern man" which if you look at the lyrics its easy to tell what the song is about and what stereotypes on southern people young had. sweet home Alabama was not about being some proud redneck confederate flag waver. it was about a new generation in the south that wanted change and to move forward. the lyrics you are talking about do not say "southern band". its a slight wink and nod to young saying your song southern man and your views of the south are not on the mark for the new generation. the "her" in the lyric btw is "the south"
Well I heard Mister Young sing about her
Well I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A southern man don't need him around anyhow
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First, the Jefferson Airplane should stage a revolution against The Who
Then maybe the Jefferson Airplane and Lynyrd Skynyrd ought to have a civil war.
Yes I remember Neil Young's Southern Man. Man or band. It's still a fact Lynyrd Skynyrd started waving and displaying the Confederate Flag. I liked Lynyrd Skynyrd's first two albums and the first time I saw them I enjoyed the show. They opened for Z. Z. Top and Steely Dan and I have to say the other bands never matched the energy level LS left after they played Freebird. And it was cool they dedicated the song to Duane Allman and Berry Oakley. Z Z Top was dressed like Roy Rogers and Gene Artuy and they had a corral on stage with long horn bulls in them. No beards and a western look not a redneck look. Top and Steely Dan never lit up the audience like Skynyrd did with Freebird but both bands were real fine.
Next time I saw Skynyrd they were using a big Confederate flag back drop and they played Sweethome Alabama. They opened for Jeff Beck and energy wise he never lit up the crowd like Skynyrd did with their encore Freebird. They were a headliner from then on.
Ed King left party because of the redneck/Confederate flag image they began promoting. When he finally came out of hiding he said he was not part of that being from California but the main reason was the verbal abuse and threats he was getting from Ronnie Van Zant. But he probably shouldn't have quit and vanished during a tour. I think Ed disappeared in Norfolk or Richmond Virginia. Its. Been long I cant remember. Charlie Daniels played a role in getting southern rock started and an early ABB connection is Dickey and Chuck played at an Volunteer Jam about 1974 and Dickey played dobro on Long Haired Country Boy on Fire On The Mountain and his mentioned by name on The South is Going to do it Again. But Charlie's Uneasy Rider was an anti-redneck song. I doubt any in those bands were actual racists.
I liked LS as a kid but air play was overwhelming. Guessing they were the top selling (album sales) of the
genre? Listening to some early live/album versions of Marshall Tucker's first album. They had a great sound
an cannot stop hearing the ABB influence. Ronnie was a red neck, wrote some great lyrics an band mates
said he loved to fight (drunk).
VTAB. You are correct about Skynyrd becoming the no. 1 so called Southern Rock band. By 1974 they had moved ahead of the Allman Brothers especially in album sales. They have sold a lot more albums than the brothers with many going platinum.
The Allman Brothers only had ONE album to sell more than a million copies (platinum) after Brothers and Sisters which was their 3rd behind Fillmore East and Eat A Peach and that is a 1991 release called Decade of Hits which is a bit over 2 million copies. But it's stuff off the old albums such as Fillmore East, Eat A Peach and Brothers and Sisters, the period when the brothers were selling a lot of records as I indicated. After 1989 they had just ONE new album to go gold (500,000 copies plus) and that was Where It All Begins from 1994 and no million sellers. The Allman Brothers just didn't move records like Clapton or Santana or Paul McCartney or Green Day during their last two decades.
Like the Grateful Dead, after 1989 they made very good money playing live shows but there albums were not huge sellers. I understand the last one, Hitting the Note, was shy of 200,000 copies which would be big for somebody like Albert King or Big Head Todd but disappointing for a big headliner band. That is why Butch Trucks just didn't see the need to spend the bands money to do another album. Gregg eventually said they would do another and without Butch if necessary. But as we all know Hitting the Note was their last studio work.
VTAB. You are correct about Skynyrd becoming the no. 1 so called Southern Rock band. By 1974 they had moved ahead of the Allman Brothers especially in album sales. They have sold a lot more albums than the brothers with many going platinum.
The Allman Brothers only had ONE album to sell more than a million copies (platinum) after Brothers and Sisters which was their 3rd behind Fillmore East and Eat A Peach and that is a 1991 release called Decade of Hits which is a bit over 2 million copies. But it's stuff off the old albums such as Fillmore East, Eat A Peach and Brothers and Sisters, the period when the brothers were selling a lot of records as I indicated. After 1989 they had just ONE new album to go gold (500,000 copies plus) and that was Where It All Begins from 1994 and no million sellers. The Allman Brothers just didn't move records like Clapton or Santana or Paul McCartney or Green Day during their last two decades.
Like the Grateful Dead, after 1989 they made very good money playing live shows but there albums were not huge sellers. I understand the last one, Hitting the Note, was shy of 200,000 copies which would be big for somebody like Albert King or Big Head Todd but disappointing for a big headliner band. That is why Butch Trucks just didn't see the need to spend the bands money to do another album. Gregg eventually said they would do another and without Butch if necessary. But as we all know Hitting the Note was their last studio work.
if you are a musician who enjoys creating music sales won't matter. the bands these guys were part of before ABB recorded music and made very little. the first album when it was released didn't sell millions. any musician who ever uses that line "no one cares about new music from older artists or buys new music from older artists" is just throwing that out there as an excuse to not be creative anymore. it costs very little now to actually record an album. if you want to make music you will. case in point the last 20 years from now 64 year old George Lynch. since 1999 with various bands he is part of and solo projects he has released 21 studio albums, 3 EPs and 2 live albums as well as making a dozen guest appearances on other peoples albums. oh yeah he already has announced 2 new studio albums for the year 2019. I doubt all of these releases combined have sold over 200,000 yet he still wants to create new music
the "her" in the lyric btw is "the south"
I always thought the "her" was the state of Alabama, because of the Neil Young song "Alabama". Since the song is "Sweet Home Alabama", that's how I read it.
Either way, I'll take Neil over Skynyrd.
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I think the entire Allman Brothers Band has been crystal clear from day one on their positions about race. Personally, I think everyone should accept the present day and retire the confederate flag.
the "her" in the lyric btw is "the south"
I always thought the "her" was the state of Alabama, because of the Neil Young song "Alabama". Since the song is "Sweet Home Alabama", that's how I read it.
Either way, I'll take Neil over Skynyrd.
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either way you see the point the band was making
I liked LS as a kid but air play was overwhelming.
Still love the old stuff {in particular the "B" sides) but agreed, nothing makes me change the radio faster than these 3 songs:
Sweet Home Alabama
Free Bird
Ramblin' Man
There actually was a time when there was not much for the southerner to be proud of. The ABB was one of the few things we could hang our hats on and the flag kinda became a symbol of southern pride more than southern rock. Even Tom Petty used it as a back drop. Things change and the flag has basically been ostracized but the pride still remains
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Well at least you have something to be proud of for whatever it's worth. There isn't much to be proud of in terms of North, Northwest, East, West, Southwest, Midwest, other than the basic standard issue American pride which goes for the South same as anyplace. So the Southern Pride is an extra bonus.
You won't ever hear "Sweet Home New Jersey" for example. Or "Be Proud Yer a Hippy Cuz the Haight's Gonna Do It Agin"
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Well at least you have something to be proud of for whatever it's worth. There isn't much to be proud of in terms of North, Northwest, East, West, Southwest, Midwest, other than the basic standard issue American pride which goes for the South same as anyplace. So the Southern Pride is an extra bonus.
You won't ever hear "Sweet Home New Jersey" for example. Or "Be Proud Yer a Hippy Cuz the Haight's Gonna Do It Agin"
[Edited on 12/28/2018 by BrerRabbit]
it is unique but sadly going away
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Even Tom Petty used it as a back drop.
He later lamented that decision. He was using it as southern imagery for the Southern Accents tour, then when he realized they were getting associated with the flag, they dropped it.
You won't ever hear "Sweet Home New Jersey" for example.
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Plenty of Jersey pride out there. Just talk to anyone from there. Nothing different.
Any good Jersey Pride anthems on the scale of Sweet Home Alabama?
There's that Hackensackackackackackack song I guess. Other state pop anthems California Dreamin , also Rocky Mountain High, not much else out there.
Sweet Home New Orleans, which closes out Dr. John's Anutha Zone CD
TH & the Wreckage, Walkin These Streets of Boston
of course Frank w/his songs about Chicago, NY etc
NY State of Mind
Portland Woman
Please come to Boston
Are you going to San Francisco
i mentioned George lynch earlier in this thread when I said any musician who uses sales as a reason to stop recording is just making excuses. here is a brand new interview with lynch. he currently has 4 albums to be released over the next 12-18 months. yes you read correctly. from 2019-2020 he will release a minimum of FOUR albums. will these be big sellers? nope. they probably will chart at most 1 week on the billboard 200 but he creates because he loves making music
from the article
George: "I'm fortunate enough to be a semi-known entity to where I can work with other people, so I do. I love to write and I love to work in the studio. I love to create something from nothing, and I'd do it all day long if I could, every day of the week. I honestly love being in the studio and writing. I like being in the studio writing a song a day. Sometimes, I'll just do that anyways, so why not put 10 or 12 of those songs together, call it an album [and] get paid? Another side of this whole thing — the practical side — is this is my job, and I've got mortgages and kids in college and a big family, and this is my job. There's the creative side and then there's the practical side, so I've got to consider both and weigh them both. I like to stay busy and I also need to stay busy. I run into a problem doing a lot of recording projects because I get so many projects on my plate, I can't really release them all, so I get this glut, and it starts to back up. I'm going to have to slow down, actually. I think I am slowing down now, as of the next couple projects I do. After the next two or three, that's it — I'm slowing down. I've got another couple [in the works]. I just finished up with this project that really doesn't have a name that I could talk about right now. It's a European vocalist — he's a singer from TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA [Croatian singer Dino Jelusic, also of ANIMAL DRIVE], and him and I did a record, and we just are finishing that up. I wrote all the songs and finished all the guitar. We're finishing the vocals. I've got Will Hunt [EVANESCENCE] on drums. It was a really super-fun record to make, so that will be coming out at some point next year. I'm doing another LYNCH MOB record next year. We've got a third KXM record coming out late spring of next year or early summer. I've got THE END: MACHINE, which is DOKKEN with the singer from WARRANT, which is the singer from the second LYNCH MOB record, Robert Mason. That's all done, in the can. Basically, as far as I'm concerned, I like just putting out every three [or] four months. Record companies don't like that; fans don't like that; but fuck 'em. I like making music. They'll sort it out when I'm gone. Hopefully somebody will give a shit. I'm just putting it out there in the atmosphere, and hopefully somebody picks up on it. That's all I can do, because for me, it's cathartic to just write and play and create little musical babies."
Even Tom Petty used it as a back drop.
He later lamented that decision. He was using it as southern imagery for the Southern Accents tour, then when he realized they were getting associated with the flag, they dropped it.
Southern Accidents came out in 85. I bet I was at one of the shows where he started lamenting branding himself with the Confederate flag. In 1986 when I saw Bob Dylan and Tom Petty, Phoenix - a group of Petty fans come running down the aisle with a HUGE battle flag. Completely idiotic. Nobody cheered. Bob and Tom paid no attention, security escorted them and their flag back up the aisle. Classic fan flail.
The Muppets proudly flying it:
