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lovelight
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I can’t express in words how excited I am to finally hear Dickey again!!!
Forecast has thunderstorms am and pm but I will brave mud and the long cumbersome traveling to hear Dickey ‘s notes again.
It will also be fun to see Jack play again!

[Edited on 7/14/2018 by lovelight]


 
Posted : July 14, 2018 7:25 am
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I'll be there as well, can't wait to see Dickey one more time, plus the bonus of seeing Jack & Jorma and Little Feat.


 
Posted : July 14, 2018 11:57 am
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I'll be there, Can't wait!


 
Posted : July 14, 2018 12:03 pm
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Enjoy folks!

I made the Macon show and it was a great night... hope the same holds true for you...


 
Posted : July 14, 2018 3:57 pm
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Hope you all have a great night and Dickey really enjoys it also.


 
Posted : July 14, 2018 8:13 pm
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Awesome lineup. Surprised Dickey is the headliner though. And I see Kerry Kearney is on the bill. If you get there early, check him out. I caught him years ago on a side stage before an ABB show. I think it was the Beach to Peach Tour.


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Posted : July 15, 2018 2:37 am
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I thought it was a pretty good show, Dickey's band started a half hour late because of a technical issue. He only played one hour and that was the norm for the other bands. Dickey and company sounded better with each song.

The set started with Hot Lanta and had a weird sound like a hiss throughout and went away when they started Statesboro Blues. Nothing You Can Do followed and had a nice sound to it, Midnight Rider was sung by Mike Kach who sound great the whole night. My Getaway was also played and was a more compact version then I heard before.

The highlights for me was Blue Sky, Duane's solo part was a piano solo by Mike and Dickey did his solo and the band was rolling now, They also played a cool version of Jessica that I really liked, Mike's no Chuck but he hit the note for sure.

Dickey is in his mid 70's now and isn't the great player he once was and he put on a enjoyable show, I was happy with the performance and glad to see that all the sh$t talking about him on this site wasn't there in his performance. I think they'll get tighter and tighter and if you have tickets to a Dickey Betts Band show you will be happy with the show. My only beef was it was only an hour and I wanted more.


 
Posted : July 15, 2018 7:56 pm
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How long did Little Feat & Hot Tuna play?


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Posted : July 16, 2018 3:32 am
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Same as Dickey's band, about one hour.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 3:36 am
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Posted : July 16, 2018 4:38 am
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All things considered I thought there set was just ok.Thought the bass was way to high.Hot Lanta was rough ,states boro as well.Got a little better as the show went on.Best song blue sky.came out half hour plus late 40 minutes I’d say crowd hardly cheered.At the end of the 50 minute set Dickey just took off his guitar and walked away seemed like the rest of the band had no idea that was going to happen no encore .Oh well I’m glad I went to see him for most likely the last time.Ive got plenty of great memories seeing him and lots of music in my collection so I will leave at that.Peace


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 6:02 am
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I'll leave it at no comment.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 6:14 am
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We are not gonna get ‘92 level Dickey jamming, so as an elder statesmen I thought he did a nice job from some of the playing in that clip.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 6:47 am
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Hot Tuna said it was old timers day. And "If anyone here is younger than 61 you're with your parents" from the stage.

Dickey had improved since the White Buffalo but they are not ready for a live DVD to me.

Dickey is 74 and with Gregg, Duane and the rest, got into the drugs and alcohol in his 20's and apparently never completely quit. So it's amazing people like Dickey and Keith Richards are still with us. Hopefully Dickey will continue to improve but all things considered, he probably will never sound like the early days or with Warren and Jack. It killed Gregg at 69 and so many others way before that. Gregg turned the corner on drugs and booze but the damage was already done. Jerry Garcia died at 53 and the autopsy doctor said his internals looked like a man in his 80s.

Dickey said he unretired because promoters began calling offering good money after his Rolling Stone interview which was triggered by Gregg's passing. and he wanted to pay tribute to Gregg whom he had been close to for so many years and they had rekindled their friendship after Gregg began mentioning Dickey in his solo shows. I don't see that interview anywhere now but that is what he said. Oh and Dickey acknowledged he is trying to get his playing back to what it's suppose to be and Gregg was the best singer he ever shared a stage with. When Gregg finally arrived to join the ABB in 1969 they knew he was the missing piece because before Gregg joined, the band didn't sing as well as it played.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 7:24 am
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i enjoyed Dickey's playing last night. I especially liked Jessica and how he played it a bit differently.
I was as close as a spectator could get and I could see several tech problems during the show they were trying to solve, including loud static so the band forging on was appreciated.
I got a lot of enjoyment from hearing Dickey play. I have respect for his singing despite age changes to his voice. Duane Betts told my friend "people don't realized how physically painful it is for my father to play with his carpel tunnel."
I was shocked how many grouchy old men were next to me complaining before Dickey even started.It was a drag to have to listen to their negativity.
i am glad I went and look forward to hearing him at the Beacon where they can set up their equipment properly. Last night the stage crew had to work quickly in high humidity rushing to get the last act done.
Dickey did a good job last night delighting me musically and I am grateful he came out of retirement to give me last night's show.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 7:30 am
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I came here to hear thoughts about Dickey's set. I heard a clip of Blue Sky and was impressed. His sweet guitar tone was there and he seemed to give his all to his solo. His voice was good also. I think it'll be uphill for a while, as he continues to play. Happy to see him back.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 11:32 am
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Also sheep it's difficult to get a real read on how the band really sounded live with cell phone audience recordings. But at the White Buffalo, Dickey had to have been disappointed in his performance. Even an audience recording showed his playing on Blue Sky was bad. He sounded like someone who was just learning how to play and not ready to be in a band playing for money. In Macon he was better. And now he was very improved but still not 100 percent Dickey Betts. He very well be close to that level by the time they record the DVD.

I know there are younger people here who think the Allman Brothers was the last lineup. And I am big of all the guitar players that filled in for Duane Allman, especially Warren, Jack and Derek. But when Dickey was out of the band, they were good but it was so different and to me, a fan since 1970, it didn't sound like the Allman Brothers at times. Some of the new covers and no original player on the front line other than Gregg made me realise this band has really changed. Reinvented it's self so to speak. I even questioned if they should still call it the Allman Brothers. But Butch rejected those on this site who felt this way saying if we can have an Allman Brothers Band without Duane when damn sure can have one without Dickey. But Butch ( I'm still so sorry he took his own life) had been pissed at Dickey for years and it kept growing and growing.

Dickey Betts was huge in the Allman Brothers. Perhaps as big as Gregg Allman. He was Duane Allman"s equal except different like Butch and Jaimoe. Dickey's tone, unmistakable style of playing, you know it's Dickey in just a few notes and his songs, Blue Sky, Jessica, Elizabeth Reed, on down to Seven Turnes and Back to Where It All Begins make it clear that NONE of the guitar players who followed Duane and Dickey in this band were Dickey's equal when you look at the whole picture. It's hard to gauge just important to the band's legacy and success Dickey was.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 12:39 pm
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Also sheep it's difficult to get a real read on how the band really sounded live with cell phone audience recordings. But at the White Buffalo, Dickey had to have been disappointed in his performance. Even an audience recording showed his playing on Blue Sky was bad. He sounded like someone who was just learning how to play and not ready to be in a band playing for money. In Macon he was better. And now he was very improved but still not 100 percent Dickey Betts. He very well be close to that level by the time they record the DVD.

I know there are younger people here who think the Allman Brothers was the last lineup. And I am big of all the guitar players that filled in for Duane Allman, especially Warren, Jack and Derek. But when Dickey was out of the band, they were good but it was so different and to me, a fan since 1970, it didn't sound like the Allman Brothers at times. Some of the new covers and no original player on the front line other than Gregg made me realise this band has really changed. Reinvented it's self so to speak. I even questioned if they should still call it the Allman Brothers. But Butch rejected those on this site who felt this way saying if we can have an Allman Brothers Band without Duane when damn sure can have one without Dickey. But Butch ( I'm still so sorry he took his own life) had been pissed at Dickey for years and it kept growing and growing.

Dickey Betts was huge in the Allman Brothers. Perhaps as big as Gregg Allman. He was Duane Allman"s equal except different like Butch and Jaimoe. Dickey's tone, unmistakable style of playing, you know it's Dickey in just a few notes and his songs, Blue Sky, Jessica, Elizabeth Reed, on down to Seven Turnes and Back to Where It All Begins make it clear that NONE of the guitar players who followed Duane and Dickey in this band were Dickey's equal when you look at the whole picture. It's hard to gauge just important to the band's legacy and success Dickey was.

I love your enthusiasm for the original band. We ALL know that was the core of this amazing band.

A couple of comments on your post

--I don't see how Dickey can even be close to 100% by the DVD filming. Seems impossible to me (I don't even know what 100% means for Dickey right now anyway)

--the bands sound to me was "more different" after Berry died than at any other point in time after Duane and Berry's deaths. However I absolutely love the uniqueness and jazziness of that version of the ABB (primarily because of Lamar and Chuck)

-Butch had a great point. If they were the ABB after Duane, yes they could be after Dickey.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 12:48 pm
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Hi Jonesy. By 100 % I meant whether Dickey had shook off enough of the rust to do a DVD. I was surprised by how bad he sounded at the White Buffalo. Timing off and so many really bad notes. He was better in Macon but still had some timing problems here and there and hit some clams with his new guitar. A black SG seems to be his number one right now and the pickup switch is where it is on a Les Paul. It has good tone though.

I didn't make it to the festival in New York State. I'm in my 70s too and felt washed out over the weekend after doing some hay baling in the hot Sun. But I just heard from a friend who was there and while Dickey wasn't stroking like he did with Duane and later with Warren, Jack and Derek. Yes Derek. I saw a Las Vegas show in 1999 and Dickey was good as ever that night even while playing an old Strat the whole night except for acoustic songs. Had that old road worn Fender sounding more like a Gibson than the Paul Reed Smith he left Goldie for in 1994. My friend said Dickey was still playing real fine on most of the songs. So maybe he is ready to record a live DVD. I certainly hope so because the original six are such a big deal to me as you have noticed. They are the REAL Allman Brothers.

And I knew some big fans who stopped following the band after Duane and Berry died. They questioned if they should still call it the ABB back then. But I stuck with them because the two gone died and Chuck and Lamar were filling those holes. I agree Berry Oakley was also a huge part of that original sound. Hell I guess they were a band of equals. All with different styles but somehow it all fit so nicely. Butch once said it was so uncanny their different styles fit together so well it was as if the gods chose the players instead of Duane.

But I came to really dig the Chuck/Lamar band. It was different but they could really hit the note the 6 times I saw them in 1973. And having Chuck was the right move then. It would have been so distracting seeing another guitar player in Duane's spot. And Chuck is a world class musician.

When they faxed out Dickey, Butch wanted to hire Jimmy Herring but Jimmy wouldn't do it saying he was uncomfortable replacing a living original member. The Gregg said in an interview if Warren hadn't come back, Gregg was in favor of breaking up. Derek later said that Gregg felt that not just anybody could join the band. But since Dickey was original and both he and Warren had been in the band with Dickey, other than Jack, Derek said he and Warren were the only ones that didn't break the line back to the original six. When I read that it became a little easier to see the band but it still stuck out at times that nobody with a guitar or bass was up front from their glory days. And actually commercially 1973 was their peak year and that was the Chuck/Lamar band. Sold out stadiums coast to coast and Brothers and Sisters was number one for 5 weeks out of 200 albums on the chart and sold over 4 million copies. And Dickey wrote 4 and Gregg two. That record made them millionaires.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 2:20 pm
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This is Blue Sky from yesterday

No way Dickey is ready to record a DVD in 6 days. I wonder what is going on. FYI, this is much better than his first couple of shows, but I am a fan, and improving on his first two shows should not be the standard. Getting ready to record? what is the rush?


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 3:40 pm
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Never thought I'd use the phrase 'cash grab,' but given the quality of this music, the ticket prices, combined with DVD recording, undermines the credibility of ALL involved, directly and indirectly. And consider the source: I saw the original ABB--was a life-changing experience--and I could NOT have been more impressed with the with how Dickey stepped up to lead the charge when seeing the revamped lineup in '73; I've been most loyal over forty-five years,including to the last lineup, seeing the group nearly forty times and listening to them more than any other artist I have ever followed, but I won't engage in idol-worship.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 5:04 pm
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Jonesy I just don't know. It's so hard to tell with an audience tape. I'm sure it sounded better live or on a record release CD/album release, so it's hard to say. But the way this sounded to me was the piano solo was muddy and hard to hear, couldn't hear the bass and drums well enough to get a groove...and once again it sounds as if Dickey just can't sing anymore. And the guitar solo was jaded. Never really got going and some passeges were too repetitive and some sounded he wasn't getting the right notes
Some of the notes sounded so off. They sounded like clams. Clams is what some jazz players I've met call very flat or sharp bad notes. It's just hard to tell on such a poor quality recording.

You may be right. They may not be ready for a DVD. I didn't hear any clams from Dickey on last night's Statesboro Blues but again it's hard to tell on poor quality audience tapes. Maybe live and hearing the band well, and Dickey's guitar in the mix, maybe the clams weren't really there or not as noticeable. Man I just don't know. My friend said it was a good show and Dickey played well. But that Blue Sky you just linked makes me nervous.


 
Posted : July 16, 2018 6:39 pm
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Dickey's "clams" are nothing new. They started in 2000. I saw him several times since and some shows were very solid and others weren't. That so call rehearsal show was awful, but it does seem as though he's been working to get it back. I thought there were some good classic Betts moments in that Blue Sky and think he will get better. I'm trying to be optimistic.


 
Posted : July 17, 2018 7:45 am
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The band, ABB, put out 'Peakin at the Beacon' due to Dickey's insistence and that was a real questionable decision, so why not throw a DVD on the wall and see if people buy it. I agree with everyone's sentiments here ... not ready. And... why does Dickey always seem to have technical difficulties on stage? Again with the sound guy running on stage, the stage sound guy getting hand signals from Dickey. This is a pattern of disruption with this band. I promote concerts, and it's not totally unusual for artist to tweek their sound once on stage. However, most bands hash that out at a sound check? I'm going to see Jeff Beck, who is 74, next month. Google a video of his band and you never see these kinds of issues. Makes me wonder... is he attending the sound check, is he actually rehearsing with the band. I'm trying to find reasons why he has so many issues on stage.


 
Posted : July 17, 2018 10:38 am
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This is a pattern of disruption with this band.

I see what you did there 😉


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Posted : July 17, 2018 10:52 am
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I knew someone would pick up on that...


 
Posted : July 17, 2018 11:02 am
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The band, ABB, put out 'Peakin at the Beacon' due to Dickey's insistence and that was a real questionable decision

I call that one Stinkin at the Beacon


 
Posted : July 17, 2018 12:43 pm
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Excellent point re Jeff Beck: let's stop making excuses for Dickey, despite how much we love and admire him.


 
Posted : July 18, 2018 6:02 pm
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The ABB didn't put out Peekin' at the Beacon at Dickey's insistence. The band had suspended Dickey which turned into a divorce when Dickey sued. That album was what the band gave Epic Records as their last recording so they could get out of their Epic contract. There was no truck with studio grade equipment. No producer. It was good sound board recordings with the band and Bud Snyder as producers. If Dickey had been involved more than 2 of his songs would have been on it. Gregg did some interviews about it and said it was one of their best live releases. And most of the songs were written by Gregg. The album sold very poorly. Just a few thousand copies. I play it about once every 3 months because it's got Dickey and Derek and I like some of the songs such as Don't Want You No More/Ain't My Cross To Bear and Stand Back. Seven Turns is good. Some of the cuts are shaky and the quality of the recording is not what you expect from the band and Epic for a front line new release. It sounds like a soundboard and I've heard archive releases sound better.

I don't make excuses for Dickey. Apparently his playing is so rusty and poor timing and so many clams because at age 70 he quit performing thinking his career was over so he didn't play guitar much. The rest of it is age and years of drinking and drugs. Hopefully it will be pretty good tonight but the Duane era Dickey and 1990s Dickey is probably beyond reach. Jeff Beck also is 74 and doesn't get on it like 1970s but he is very close. Maybe aged better and didn't stay with the booze and drugs in excess all those years. That life style killed Gregg, probably Alan Woody and absolute Jerry Garcia and many others. Hopefully Dickey will have more years ahead and we all know he was as big in the Allman Brothers as Gregg. Those two up front and with the writing they produced is the reason the band made them millionaires.


 
Posted : July 18, 2018 7:25 pm
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Reekin' at the Beacon was terrible. The Instant Lives that started just a few years later had much better sound/mix 45 minutes after the concert ended than that POS that Epic put out. I still think some in the band wanted to paint that version of the band in a bad light to sort of justify the Dickey situation with the public. But Dickey wasn't the problem with that release.

I'm not sure where to put this with the various Dickey threads, but the youtube videos are awful. Dickey and his advisers need to rethink his comeback. Not about whether to do it, but how to do it. We need to hear Dickey, assuming he wants to do it. But they need to reconsider how to present him to the public. In my view, he needs to embrace his age (and the limitations that come with it) and re-imagine the songs and drop the ABB approach with 2 drummers a percussionist etc. with the electric front-line at the mics. He can't keep up. Plain and simple.

I don't know the answer, but think about some of the other aging greats that have come before him. The Les Paul approach playing regular club dates in more intimate settings. I hated what BB King became at the end with the Revue style show, but perhaps there's another spin on it that could take the Vegas out of it and still have Dickey present the songs and his playing tastefully.

Or make amends (where he needs to) and call in some favors and do it right and big one last time. Perhaps Dickey goes out as a special guest headliner with Mule or TTB and they do a 45 minute set with Dickey (with Duane) in the middle or end of their regular 2 - 2.5 hour set. Bring Chuck along if the Stones aren't on tour. There's got to be a better way than what has transpired so far.

With the rush to go on the road and the DVD after coming out of retirement, I've wondered if time is of the essence because of some sort of Glen Campbell type issue. I pray not. Very interested to see how cogent he sounds in the Dan Rather interview. There were interviews a few years ago (maybe ca:2012) and he seemed out of it and disconnected.


 
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