These old bitter baby boomers can learn a thing or two looking around in todays music scene. its getting ridiculous hearing all this negativity. Maybe Graham Nash and Butch and some other bitter aging rock farts can start a support group and take out their frustrations at never being the star
( they say know your place/role is a key to success) . Dickey will always have more money, more fame, and more ownership of the ABB legacy than Butch. If only Butch could come to terms with this . It really shows how small and petty of a man Butch has become.

My theory, take it or leave it.......

....is that one is a loudmouth and the other is a bully......

Dickey will always have more money, more fame, and more ownership of the ABB legacy than Butch.

And rightly so. He should, regardless of whatever the Dickey-hating crowd may say.

Butch says about some G Dead shows, something about them just falling apart musically, stopping playing and just staring at the audience.

Anyone recall being at a Dead show like that ?

In the interview he's talking about his impression of times the ABB played with the Dead- which were all in the early 70s. The Dead in the early 70s were pretty consistently on fire. They had weak shows - everyone does of course - but what Butch is describing here is a complete fabrication. He also relates a conversation he had with Bill Graham about the Dead - which I also strongly suspect is a complete fabrication. A pretty good % of what Butch says in interviews are just outright lies I think - it's an odd way for a grown man to behave - but there you have it.

Dickey will always have more money, more fame, and more ownership of the ABB legacy than Butch.

And rightly so. He should, regardless of whatever the Dickey-hating crowd may say.

Not trying to be sarcastic or anything Brofan, but where is this hating crowd you speak of?

Butch / maybe Gregg, sure, but a crowd? Are you referring to some on this website? I could be wrong but I'd wager the majority of folks on this website, at least the ones who are still here all like Betts.

My theory, take it or leave it.......

....is that one is a loudmouth and the other is a bully......

I've got a right to express my opinion, just the same as you do. You sure aren't shy about expressing yours either.

My theory, take it or leave it.......

....is that one is a loudmouth and the other is a bully......

I've got a right to express my opinion, just the same as you do. You sure aren't shy about expressing yours either.

Hell yeah you do! I agreed with and just used your quote to express my view on these two angry old men....

Dickey will always have more money, more fame, and more ownership of the ABB legacy than Butch.

And rightly so. He should, regardless of whatever the Dickey-hating crowd may say.

Not trying to be sarcastic or anything Brofan, but where is this hating crowd you speak of?

Butch / maybe Gregg, sure, but a crowd? Are you referring to some on this website? I could be wrong but I'd wager the majority of folks on this website, at least the ones who are still here all like Betts.

I've been here for over 15 years, and I'd say that most fans here are firmly divided into either the Gregg or Dickey camp.

I happen to be in both - and I am aware of both of their shortcomings, as I am of my own. And I have plenty, believe me.

BIGV, for one, has never been shy about how much he can't stand Betts. There are plenty of others, believe me. All you have to do is a search and there is thread after thread after thread accusing Betts of everything from moving the US off the Gold Standard to being the other shooter in the Kennedy Assassination.

Look, just because you can't stand someone personally does not mean that every little piece of hearsay condemning that person is true. All I ask is that is that if someone has some actual PROOF backing up all the sh!t that has talked about Betts, SHOW IT. But's just easier to to accept Gregg's and Butch's lies at face value without challenging them to back it up with FACTS.

Just because you hate someone's guts isn't proof enough to convict him of murder or whatever other BS they happen to be shoveling that day.

It is OBVIOUS that Butch had an AGENDA to get rid of Betts. Does it stretch the realm of credibility to think that he would fabricate lies to help him accomplish that?

Where's the beef? If Dickey attacked Butch, WHERE'S THE POLICE REPORT?

Whatever happened between Dickey and Donna is personal between them. Is he the first guy who had an argument with his wife and got arrested because she called the cops on him? I don't think so....

They have obviously worked it out - as far as I know they're still married. But Betts is still being crucified for stuff that MAY or MAY NOT have happened over 20 years ago. GET OVER IT, FOLKS.

He clearly is not a saint. But ya know what? I'm not either and neither is Butch and I would have no business, as they say in AA, of taking someone else's inventory. NO ONE has the right to do that to anyone else. ESPECIALLY Butch Trucks.

I will ALWAYS say Butch is a good drummer.
I will always say Butch should shut his mouth!

NAILED it.

Having had the misfortune and displeasure of sharing an elevator (yes,the Butch elevator story again) with Butch the night the ABB played Blue Sky with Gregg singing it for the first time at the Fox in Atlanta in '04, I can attest to his "social ineptitude."

Anyone who wants to know more about that little elevator ride to hell can PM me....

I love that story.

Blue Sky might have been the highlight of the weekend for me (and there were MANY).

I have seen the ABB 20-something times at The Beacon and that was hands down my favorite ABB weekend ever. Everything from Macon, the people there, the H&H, meeting the mamas, going into the kitchen, the three nights of no repeats except for Dreams, you name it. They were on fire.

if this thread was for voting I'd vote for brofan 😮 😛
I sure would like to see DB out on the road again . I did see GA n was
Happy with the show . But me needs a DBGS show .

Yep Butch is a crabby old man ...

Money in the end is what can drive a wedge between
people ... But from all my yrs of being a fan and what
I have read ... There has always been friction in this band
maybe that's what it took to make this beautiful music .

I would look at one person in the band I didn’t like – I won’t mention any names – and think about how much I hated his guts, focus 100% on that.

Hmmmm. I'm not getting why this sentence is causing so much consternation. Some of the biggest bands in history had people in those bands that felt this way about each other.

The ONLY thing I have against Dickey is him cancelling or not showing up at shows (why I don't like Grace Potter. She did it all the time before she got too big for her britches). Other than that, I love Dickey's music and his shows. Him and Dan Toler (God rest his soul) were right there with the best guitar combos I have ever seen.

Not much difference in Butch's sentiments and the stuff you guys are posting. What's with all the hate?

Just the effin drummer? Really? That's is a pretty ignorant statement. But I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I happen to think Butch is a good drummer and knows when to play and when not to play.

I've played drums for a long time and really like the way he and Jaimoe play together. Not an easy thing to do without sounding heavy or contrived.

Well there's my opinion.

Fire away...

I agree....I've never understood why drummers get dissed so much. Without a great drummer, a band can never be great in my opinion.

The question I have is why anyone would want to interview Trucks or who cares what he has to say? Kinda like Trump both blowhards!

Wow, new found respect for Butch !

when one allows personal thoughts of anger to someone else to control their attitude and immediate personal state of happiness, they really have conceded to their "adversary" and "lost" the perceived war.

sometimes what we hate in others is what we hate in ourselves

when one is young and angry it is revolutionary.... when one is old and angry one is just bitter.....

shedding anger is like shedding snake skins.....

The question I have is why anyone would want to interview Trucks or who cares what he has to say? Kinda like Trump both blowhards!

i'd like to interview Butch's mustache.

Tom Sellack's mustache seems to make all major decisions on Blue Bloods-i'd like to interview his mustache as well.

Well as the OP I will just add I see no connection with my opinion that Butch is not the nicest guy in the world as to whether he is an excellent drummer and a vital member of one of the greatest live bands that ever was.

The question I have is why anyone would want to interview Trucks or who cares what he has to say? Kinda like Trump both blowhards!

i'd like to interview Butch's mustache.

Tom Sellack's mustache seems to make all major decisions on Blue Bloods-i'd like to interview his mustache as well.

....thats wonderful but that interview could get hairy.

The question I have is why anyone would want to interview Trucks or who cares what he has to say? Kinda like Trump both blowhards!

i'd like to interview Butch's mustache.

Tom Sellack's mustache seems to make all major decisions on Blue Bloods-i'd like to interview his mustache as well.

....thats wonderful but that interview could get hairy.

Yes, and he can be such a snot.

bands are not necessarily love fests between members. they are like coworkers, sometimes good friends, sometimes not. doesn't mean there's a good guy or a bad guy - just personal squabbles between each other. shouldn't detract from the work they do or music they make. i seem to remember another drummer that use to take out his hatred for one of his band members on the drums also...

Well, to be fair…..everybody hates Sting.

My theory, take it or leave it, has always been that Butch has resented that Dickey got all the publishing royalties for songs that Butch maintains, "we all wrote", i.e. Liz Reed, Jessica, mostly the instrumentals. He's said this in print over and over and over. Levon Helm held the same grudge against Robbie Robertson, and I'm almost sure that's where Butch got the idea that Dickey "screwed" him by not naming him in the publishing rights. That point can be argued until Kingdom Come, but I think I can state unequivocally that Butch did NOT come up with the melody for Liz Reed, or for Jessca, or the lyrics for Blue Sky, or Ramblin' Man, etc.

Sorry, but coming up a triplet or high-hat pattern does NOT entitle you to equal publishing rights with the guy WHO WROTE THE GD SONG.

So, Butch decided that creating his own all-ABB label would solve THAT problem. Dickey, through being burned by Phil Walden for non-payment of royalties owed - it was he who suspected that the ABB was getting screwed and had Capricorn's books audited, which confirmed his suspicions, resulting in a settlement that benefited ALL members, especially Gregg after Dickey - some gratitude by the way - and Dickey naturally smelled a rat and wondered what Butch was up to. After all, is it not a CLASSIC conflict of interest to be the owner of a label for the very band you are a member of? Whose interests are Butch going to put first, the BAND's or the label's? Gee, I wonder. Duh.

I'm sure Dickey did too. Whatever people will say about him, he is no fool. I'm sure he pushed back. Butch, who needed strength in numbers to build his power base within the band to overcome the Dickey obstacle to his burgeoning empire (in his OWN mind), already had Jaimoe in his back pocket due to their drumming simpatico (and Jaimoe is very non-confrontational, usually preferring to go with the flow). Butch then got Gregg on board, and Presto! Voting majority established. Butch wins. And Dickey is forced out with some trumped up BS, eliminating the obstacle forever, once they got the details of the NDA worked out to keep Dickey from ever telling the TRUTH about what happened.

Too bad that NDA has never stopped Butch and Gregg from endlessly FILLETING Dickey publicly in print every chance they've had since 2000.

Funny - I don't recall Dickey EVER screwing the fans out of their money the way Butch has with his get-rich quick scheme after yet another get-rich quick scheme. You all do remember that Butch's all consuming desire was to retire to the South of France, don't you? Can you say Delusions Of Grandeur?

Remember Moogis? How soon they forget.

And yet Dickey is now almost universally hated as a result of Butch and Gregg's almost ceaseless anti-Betts propaganda campaign.

Seems to have been pretty effective, if not historically and factually accurate....

My theory, take it or leave it, has always been that Butch has resented that Dickey got all the publishing royalties for songs that Butch maintains, "we all wrote", i.e. Liz Reed, Jessica, mostly the instrumentals. He's said this in print over and over and over

Remarks: If each person contributed their parts to the song, then they are ALL co-writers of the song as it came to be, otherwise they are owners only of their parts of the song. The song is a compilation of all the input and all the parts. One can argue that their part is more pronounced, recognizable or important, but that gets into personalities. When the band was formed and songs were beginning to be written, there should have been decisions made as to who the writers were, just like how the Beatles did it.

Blaming Butch for the Capricorn problems - not fair. he did not initiate any of the financial discrepancies, did he?

France: Butch DID buy a house in France, and I am quite impressed at where he chose, he will be well placed when the End Times comes, and he probably did not even know the historic significance of it. I would applaud and say well done.

Moogis was not a disaster, it was an enjoyable part of history, providing live real time concerts to people who could not be there in person.

Dickey is hated because of Butch's propaganda campaign? I don't think Butch has that much power over people. You don't even think he is charismatic, so how could it be that his words alone would be enough to convince people that Dickey should be hated? I don't think he is hated by any of the fans, anyone else who he may have had dealings with formed their own opinions based on their own experiences and interactions with him. I also think hatred is not the correct word. If you said some of them think he was difficult to work with that might be more true. Everybody has their own ideas how things should be, and how they want them to be (that is their preferences), oftentimes others do not meet their expectations, or they just annoy them. It's personalities more than anything else.

 

Why does the Freight Train Band play Dickey songs? Has Butch ever written a song?

Why does the Freight Train Band play Dickey songs? Has Butch ever written a song?

He co-wrote JaBuMa.