So, apparently Butch has hated Dickie from the beginning, and not just from when Dickey became the dominant and domineering leader of the band. Interesting...

The little drummer just wont let go...in a way I feel sorry for the ass.. on second thought no I don't. What a hypocrite!

This is very interesting information. It essentially says that the hatred of Dickey fueled his drumming, so therefore it was actually an integral part of the sound of the band and their success!

People can you feel it? Love is everywhere.
People can you hear it? Love is in the air.

I always thought good music evolved from the soul out of hate and animosity. Charles Manson wrote music!

Butch just can't let it go. He's spent his life playing the drums on so many Dickey songs and should be alot more thankful. He should really learn to just not say anything when it comes to Dickey. He's a great drummer but a very angry man. He's the only one with no post ABB career other than playing songs that he had nothing to do with other than being the drummer.

Just....words fail.

They say that forgiveness is giving up the hope of ever having a better past.

Sounds like Butch is still holding on....

someday he will learn?

you can't change the past.....you can only change the future......even with a time machine.

He should really learn to just not say anything when it comes to Dickey.

As Dickey does concerning Butch...

you can't change the past.....you can only change the future......even with a time machine.

No, I think you can do it with a time machine. Marty McFly did it.

It 's ironic that the only guy in the band to cop an a-hole rock star attitude is the eff'n drummer. Like he made all the difference. Sheesh.

Not much difference in Butch's sentiments and the stuff you guys are posting. What's with all the hate?

Just the effin drummer? Really? That's is a pretty ignorant statement. But I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I happen to think Butch is a good drummer and knows when to play and when not to play.

I've played drums for a long time and really like the way he and Jaimoe play together. Not an easy thing to do without sounding heavy or contrived.

Well there's my opinion.

Fire away...

I will ALWAYS say Butch is a good drummer.
I will always say Butch should shut his mouth!

You just might have something there Fanfrom-71.

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1.Butch just can't keep his angry,bitter mouth shut.Probably not healthy for Butch and unneccessary for the rest of us to keep hearing over and over.
2.that doesn't detract from the fact that his drumming is excellent,just the power needed to steer the freight train that was the Allman Brothers.
3.Dickeys silence has been admirable through the years.
4.Gregg is a wonderful musician and perhaps,one of the greatest blues,rock singers ever,but a follower content to trash Dickey in his book,but at least man enough,to publicly reach out to Dickey since the Brothers ended.
5.There are certain people here who trash Butch at every chance they get,even when he says or does nothing wrong.Just like Butch can't let it go,certain folks here can't let it go.But,at least Butch was in the band and directly involved-what's the excuse of the thrashers here who were never even part of the band who feel they gotta "represent" a position? That's really crazy...at least Dickey and Butch were involved...we're not....

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Not much difference in Butch's sentiments and the stuff you guys are posting. What's with all the hate?

Just the effin drummer? Really? That's is a pretty ignorant statement. But I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I happen to think Butch is a good drummer and knows when to play and when not to play.

I've played drums for a long time and really like the way he and Jaimoe play together. Not an easy thing to do without sounding heavy or contrived.

Well there's my opinion.

Fire away...

Butch is a fine drummer. I like the way he plays too. He is not what made the ABB the best band in the land. I never left a concert listening the crowd talking about how Butch was really on that night. Yet he is the only one who has adopted the big rock star arrogance as if he's better than everyone else. He isn't better than everyone else. You never hear Gregg, Warren, Derek, Oteil or Jaimoe (or Dickey) speak with the vitriol Butch employs. He's a fine drummer. That's all.

He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good. - Confucius

you can't change the past.....you can only change the future......even with a time machine.

No, I think you can do it with a time machine. Marty McFly did it.

LOL, well i don't think Butch is interested in changing the future so maybe he's looking for a time machine?

bands are not necessarily love fests between members. they are like coworkers, sometimes good friends, sometimes not. doesn't mean there's a good guy or a bad guy - just personal squabbles between each other. shouldn't detract from the work they do or music they make. i seem to remember another drummer that use to take out his hatred for one of his band members on the drums also...

Wow.

Butch is no Mr Baker.

The only thing worse than Butch wanking on about himself is others wanking on Butch's wanking

Duane's stabilizing leadership was gone, the boys were left to their own devices
and it wasn't pretty. The bandstand only accounts for 2-3 hours of every 24.

I've always been thrilled when I meet my muscial heroes in person and they turn out to be exceptional people, Chris Whitley, Paul Rishell, John Jackson (RIP John!), and many others come to mind.

Then there are the assholes.

Seems stupid for y'all to go on about someone else's unforgiveness (cough cough)

If ya can't, this thread should go to the whippin' post.

I will ALWAYS say Butch is a good drummer.
I will always say Butch should shut his mouth!

NAILED it.

Having had the misfortune and displeasure of sharing an elevator (yes,the Butch elevator story again) with Butch the night the ABB played Blue Sky with Gregg singing it for the first time at the Fox in Atlanta in '04, I can attest to his "social ineptitude."

Anyone who wants to know more about that little elevator ride to hell can PM me....

Not much difference in Butch's sentiments and the stuff you guys are posting. What's with all the hate?

Just the effin drummer? Really? That's is a pretty ignorant statement. But I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I happen to think Butch is a good drummer and knows when to play and when not to play.

I've played drums for a long time and really like the way he and Jaimoe play together. Not an easy thing to do without sounding heavy or contrived.

Well there's my opinion.

Fire away...

Butch is a fine drummer. I like the way he plays too. He is not what made the ABB the best band in the land. I never left a concert listening the crowd talking about how Butch was really on that night. Yet he is the only one who has adopted the big rock star arrogance as if he's better than everyone else. He isn't better than everyone else. You never hear Gregg, Warren, Derek, Oteil or Jaimoe (or Dickey) speak with the vitriol Butch employs. He's a fine drummer. That's all.

He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good. - Confucius

Couldn't have said it better myself. And I couldn't.

Why am I the only one amazed that Jesus was interviewing Butch?

Why am I the only one amazed that Jesus was interviewing Butch?

Why am I the only one amazed that Jesus was interviewing Butch?

Butch won't lower himself to speak to a common reporter.

Hey, at least he didn't mention Betts by name in the interview.

It might be just me or my ISP, but that Forbes website sucks. I've attempted to read stuff there before and it is so painfully slow in loading I end up exiting due to frustration.

Butch says about some G Dead shows, something about them just falling apart musically, stopping playing and just staring at the audience.

Anyone recall being at a Dead show like that ?

Hey, at least he didn't mention Betts by name in the interview.

It might be just me or my ISP, but that Forbes website sucks. I've attempted to read stuff there before and it is so painfully slow in loading I end up exiting due to frustration.

I thought Gregg Allman was the brother Butch really hated until the Dickey issue united the two of them. Butch and Dickey were golfing buddies for many years. Butch's history of the band is very self-serving and the constant mention of Duane serves to fortify his own importance in the band. Dickey's version of the events that led to his ouster was that he refused to support Frogwings and this really got to Butch.

There are also two stories of Butch learning to play different patterns in these articles and both reference Duane as the catalyst. Butch tends to tell the same stories over and over again--the silk pants and sausage in the leg has to yet to appear--and so any new story should be viewed suspiciously. I have heard the first Duane story many times but the one being discussed here is totally new to me.

My theory, take it or leave it, has always been that Butch has resented that Dickey got all the publishing royalties for songs that Butch maintains, "we all wrote", i.e. Liz Reed, Jessica, mostly the instrumentals. He's said this in print over and over and over. Levon Helm held the same grudge against Robbie Robertson, and I'm almost sure that's where Butch got the idea that Dickey "screwed" him by not naming him in the publishing rights. That point can be argued until Kingdom Come, but I think I can state unequivocally that Butch did NOT come up with the melody for Liz Reed, or for Jessca, or the lyrics for Blue Sky, or Ramblin' Man, etc.

Sorry, but coming up a triplet or high-hat pattern does NOT entitle you to equal publishing rights with the guy WHO WROTE THE GD SONG.

So, Butch decided that creating his own all-ABB label would solve THAT problem. Dickey, through being burned by Phil Walden for non-payment of royalties owed - it was he who suspected that the ABB was getting screwed and had Capricorn's books audited, which confirmed his suspicions, resulting in a settlement that benefited ALL members, especially Gregg after Dickey - some gratitude by the way - and Dickey naturally smelled a rat and wondered what Butch was up to. After all, is it not a CLASSIC conflict of interest to be the owner of a label for the very band you are a member of? Whose interests are Butch going to put first, the BAND's or the label's? Gee, I wonder. Duh.

I'm sure Dickey did too. Whatever people will say about him, he is no fool. I'm sure he pushed back. Butch, who needed strength in numbers to build his power base within the band to overcome the Dickey obstacle to his burgeoning empire (in his OWN mind), already had Jaimoe in his back pocket due to their drumming simpatico (and Jaimoe is very non-confrontational, usually preferring to go with the flow). Butch then got Gregg on board, and Presto! Voting majority established. Butch wins. And Dickey is forced out with some trumped up BS, eliminating the obstacle forever, once they got the details of the NDA worked out to keep Dickey from ever telling the TRUTH about what happened.

Too bad that NDA has never stopped Butch and Gregg from endlessly FILLETING Dickey publicly in print every chance they've had since 2000.

Funny - I don't recall Dickey EVER screwing the fans out of their money the way Butch has with his get-rich quick scheme after yet another get-rich quick scheme. You all do remember that Butch's all consuming desire was to retire to the South of France, don't you? Can you say Delusions Of Grandeur?

Remember Moogis? How soon they forget.

And yet Dickey is now almost universally hated as a result of Butch and Gregg's almost ceaseless anti-Betts propaganda campaign.

Seems to have been pretty effective, if not historically and factually accurate....