Very interesting stuff and an interesting perspective on Dickey's "firing" although Butch says Dickey was never fired..........he was told to take a leave of absence and get "medical help".    I don't see a date on this but it sounds like around 2005 and of course the band was peaking then.  Butch sounds SO upbeat and happy.  Makes me sad to think how he ended up.  This interview is just over 15 minutes.