Would like to see Gorman involved but he seems caught up in his own $ bull.
Huh? The singer of the band you are in asks for you to give up your 1/3 interest so they can make almost all of the money and it's "his own $ bull"?
Agree with Ed's playing on Descending, just great.
gorman lost his 1/3rd in the early 00's
And got it back in 05 when he came back after Bill Dobrow didn't work out as the drummer. They renegotiated after Steve came back.
Then was told he had to give it back up in 2014 for Chris to be willing to do the 25th anniversary tour. Chris wanted Steve's 1/3rd plus 9 percent more from Rich to give him 75 percent. That has been well documented when they split in 2014.
https://www.alternativenation.net/the-black-crowes-member-reveals-sad-reason-reunion-could-happen/
[Edited on 10/18/2019 by WarEagleRK]
Gorman got it back when?
Gorman recently told Ultimate Classic Rock that Chris and Rich "have every right" to go out on the road with new musicians and call it THE BLACK CROWES. "When I quit the band in 2001, I relinquished my right to the name," he explained. "I never thought I'd be back to begin with. And I never was cut back in on that side of things as far as a third of the partnership in terms of who owns the name THE BLACK CROWES. And that's fine."
Would like to see Gorman involved but he seems caught up in his own $ bull.
Huh? The singer of the band you are in asks for you to give up your 1/3 interest so they can make almost all of the money and it's "his own $ bull"?
Agree with Ed's playing on Descending, just great.
gorman lost his 1/3rd in the early 00's
And got it back in 05 when he came back after Bill Dobrow didn't work out as the drummer. They renegotiated after Steve came back.
Then was told he had to give it back up in 2014 for Chris to be willing to do the 25th anniversary tour. Chris wanted Steve's 1/3rd plus 9 percent more from Rich to give him 75 percent. That has been well documented when they split in 2014.
https://www.alternativenation.net/the-black-crowes-member-reveals-sad-reason-reunion-could-happen/
[Edited on 10/18/2019 by WarEagleRK]
Gorman got it back when?
Gorman recently told Ultimate Classic Rock that Chris and Rich "have every right" to go out on the road with new musicians and call it THE BLACK CROWES. "When I quit the band in 2001, I relinquished my right to the name," he explained. "I never thought I'd be back to begin with. And I never was cut back in on that side of things as far as a third of the partnership in terms of who owns the name THE BLACK CROWES. And that's fine."
That's discussing who can use the name. That's different than having a percentage of the band itself. Which if you read his book, he got back in 05 when he rejoined when Bill Dobrow was booted as I mentioned above.
Have you read the book yet? Gorman discusses giving up his 3rd when he quit after the 01 tour, but that when he came back in May of 05 he was cut back in. Maybe part of him getting cut back in was he lost the rights to use the Crowes name on his own and the name itself stayed with the Robinson Brothers. However he still is a partner in the band as of the break up of the band in 2014, I don't see where that has changed.
If he didn't have an ownership stake in the band, why would he care in 2014 when Chris wanted 75% of the band and have him put on salary, if he didn't have an ownership stake then he would have already been on salary.
See the link below...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jan/16/black-crowes-have-broken-up-says-rich-robinson
“I love my brother and respect his talent, but his present demand that I must give up my equal share of the band and that our drummer for 28 years and original partner, Steve Gorman, relinquish 100% of his share, reducing him to a salaried employee, is not something I could agree to,” Robinson said.
[Edited on 10/23/2019 by WarEagleRK]
Would like to see Gorman involved but he seems caught up in his own $ bull.
Huh? The singer of the band you are in asks for you to give up your 1/3 interest so they can make almost all of the money and it's "his own $ bull"?
Agree with Ed's playing on Descending, just great.
gorman lost his 1/3rd in the early 00's
And got it back in 05 when he came back after Bill Dobrow didn't work out as the drummer. They renegotiated after Steve came back.
Then was told he had to give it back up in 2014 for Chris to be willing to do the 25th anniversary tour. Chris wanted Steve's 1/3rd plus 9 percent more from Rich to give him 75 percent. That has been well documented when they split in 2014.
https://www.alternativenation.net/the-black-crowes-member-reveals-sad-reason-reunion-could-happen/
[Edited on 10/18/2019 by WarEagleRK]
Gorman got it back when?
Gorman recently told Ultimate Classic Rock that Chris and Rich "have every right" to go out on the road with new musicians and call it THE BLACK CROWES. "When I quit the band in 2001, I relinquished my right to the name," he explained. "I never thought I'd be back to begin with. And I never was cut back in on that side of things as far as a third of the partnership in terms of who owns the name THE BLACK CROWES. And that's fine."
That's discussing who can use the name. That's different than having a percentage of the band itself. Which if you read his book, he got back in 05 when he rejoined when Bill Dobrow was booted as I mentioned above.
Have you read the book yet? Gorman discusses giving up his 3rd when he quit after the 01 tour, but that when he came back in May of 05 he was cut back in. Maybe part of him getting cut back in was he lost the rights to use the Crowes name on his own and the name itself stayed with the Robinson Brothers. However he still is a partner in the band as of the break up of the band in 2014, I don't see where that has changed.
If he didn't have an ownership stake in the band, why would he care in 2014 when Chris wanted 75% of the band and have him put on salary, if he didn't have an ownership stake then he would have already been on salary.
See the link below...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jan/16/black-crowes-have-broken-up-says-rich-robinson
“I love my brother and respect his talent, but his present demand that I must give up my equal share of the band and that our drummer for 28 years and original partner, Steve Gorman, relinquish 100% of his share, reducing him to a salaried employee, is not something I could agree to,” Robinson said.
[Edited on 10/23/2019 by WarEagleRK]
nope I haven't yet but thank you for clarifying. I only saw steve's statement that I posted and got confused on what was given up
Yeah, the whole mess breaking the band up was that Chris wanted 75% ownership of everything. Taking 33% from Steve and And extra 8% from his brother to do the 25th anniversary tour in 2015.
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
Yeah, the whole mess breaking the band up was that Chris wanted 75% ownership of everything. Taking 33% from Steve and And extra 8% from his brother to do the 25th anniversary tour in 2015.
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
I was wondering if they are lookng at it as a cash grab. They have made some great music, but seem to be drifting in different directions on the last two releases.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
I was wondering if they are lookng at it as a cash grab. They have made some great music, but seem to be drifting in different directions on the last two releases.
Rich has high dollar tastes in life. That much is clear from S.G.'s book. Not just guitar collection, but luxury cars also.
Yeah, the whole mess breaking the band up was that Chris wanted 75% ownership of everything. Taking 33% from Steve and And extra 8% from his brother to do the 25th anniversary tour in 2015.
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
I was wondering if they are lookng at it as a cash grab. They have made some great music, but seem to be drifting in different directions on the last two releases.
I mean technically any tour by any band is a cash grab as a tour is looked at as a way to make money
Almost done with the audiobook version of Gorman's book and if I learned anything it is that the brothers, and especially Chris, have no intention of sharing the big $$$ from this tour with anyone.
IMHO this is a money grab and nothing else as I would be shocked if any new music came out of it.
I am guessing both brothers may need cash as their solo band projects are not exactly money makers.
I went to a Magpie Salut show in Rhode Island this past year at Greenwich Odeon Theater, capacity 410, and I am guessing there were less than 200 fans in attendance with empty back rows. Great show but that isn't paying the bills.
[Edited on 10/23/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Almost done with the audiobook version of Gorman's book and if I learned anything it is that the brothers, and especially Chris, have no intention of sharing the big $$$ from this tour with anyone.
IMHO this is a money grab and nothing else as I would be shocked if any new music came out of it.
I am guessing both brothers may need cash as their solo band projects are not exactly money makers.
I went to a Magpie Salut show in Rhode Island this past year at Greenwich Odeon Theater, capacity 410, and I am guessing there were less than 200 fans in attendance with empty back rows. Great show but that isn't paying the bills.
[Edited on 10/23/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Same thing in Fort Lauderdale. They headlined the Parker Playhouse which is a 1200 seat venue and barely filled up a third of the venue. Too bad as it was a great show.
Almost done with the audiobook version of Gorman's book and if I learned anything it is that the brothers, and especially Chris, have no intention of sharing the big $$$ from this tour with anyone.
IMHO this is a money grab and nothing else as I would be shocked if any new music came out of it.
I am guessing both brothers may need cash as their solo band projects are not exactly money makers.
I went to a Magpie Salut show in Rhode Island this past year at Greenwich Odeon Theater, capacity 410, and I am guessing there were less than 200 fans in attendance with empty back rows. Great show but that isn't paying the bills.
[Edited on 10/23/2019 by Bill_Graham]
Same thing in Fort Lauderdale. They headlined the Parker Playhouse which is a 1200 seat venue and barely filled up a third of the venue. Too bad as it was a great show.
Yeah it was disappointing for me to see so little attendance as I thought the band had some promise but can't see them lasting if they can't draw any fans and at least break even on expenses.
Makes me wonder how many fans a Crowes reunion will draw? How much of their fan base is left and will they even sell out theaters this time around?
Yeah, the whole mess breaking the band up was that Chris wanted 75% ownership of everything. Taking 33% from Steve and And extra 8% from his brother to do the 25th anniversary tour in 2015.
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
I was wondering if they are lookng at it as a cash grab. They have made some great music, but seem to be drifting in different directions on the last two releases.
I mean technically any tour by any band is a cash grab as a tour is looked at as a way to make money
True...I guess I was just looking at it more as an integrity thing concerning the music/band and "really" wanting to do something special.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Yeah, its a shame what Bill_Graham and Agerst1574 mentioned about going to see them and a poor attendance. The guitar based rock/classic rock is a rare breed unfortunately unless you have been established band for quite some time. Just not that demand.....sad. 🙁 🙁 🙁
Has anyone heard Magpies latest....it came out last week.
As far as them going on tour, I think Gorman said it wont be the BC, just Rich and Chris with players. Who knows. Not sure if I would go then.
Speaking to Andy Hall of Iowa rock station Lazer 103.3, Gorman said that it's a good bet that BLACK CROWES will be performing live again in the coming months. "Everything I'm hearing from sources in the industry is that they're going out next year," he said (hear audio below). "And it's hardly a surprise… They've painted themselves into some pretty brutal corners, and so they're gonna do this. And it's not gonna involve anybody from THE BLACK CROWES — it's just the two of them — and if they think that's good, then… I don't begrudge anybody who goes out and makes a living playing music, especially in your 50s. I mean, if you can do it, that's great. But there's a band, and then there's a brand, and those are two very different things."
If you don't have Live At The Knitting Factory from Rich, I really dig it. It would be worth checking out.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Yeah, the whole mess breaking the band up was that Chris wanted 75% ownership of everything. Taking 33% from Steve and And extra 8% from his brother to do the 25th anniversary tour in 2015.
I guess Chris' divorce and Rich possibly taking a loss on Magpie Salute brought them back together.
I was wondering if they are lookng at it as a cash grab. They have made some great music, but seem to be drifting in different directions on the last two releases.
I mean technically any tour by any band is a cash grab as a tour is looked at as a way to make money
True...I guess I was just looking at it more as an integrity thing concerning the music/band and "really" wanting to do something special.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. next year is the bands 30th anniversary of the first album. I know a few years ago a boxset was planned and then didn't come to fruition so maybe they do that next year?
I'd probably go see it if it was convenient. I think ticket sales will be about the same as the As The Crow Flies tour Chris did. I wonder if Marcus King gets the call for the second guitar player.
I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right. Those Crowes songs are rock solid and the Robison brothers can still bring their A game. All they need is a stellar lead guitarist who can breathe some life into those songs and make them soar. Luther Dickerson did that brilliantly. Although Chris did seem a tad annoyed that Luther had a his own following at these shows, where small crowds obviously stood directly in front Luther to watch him do his thing and cheer him on. War Paint was a great album and so was before the frost. Tons of great songs on both those albums. Would be ideal if they picked up somebody like Luther and wrote some new material but that’s probably asking for too much. If they simply grab Audley Freed and go on tour count me out. That would be like Crowes karaoke (no offense to audley). It was pathetic the way he stifled Marcus King toward the end of that last run. Don’t hire a killer on guitar if you’re not gonna let him play. If they can get their act together and pick up somebody amazing on guitar - I wouldn’t write them off so easily.
I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right.
I don't hear that vibe from him at all. In fact he has said they are definitely doing that without him and he doesn't begrudge anyone that can still make a living in their 50s from doing it.
Now tons of fans are saying that, but there will always be fans who won't like lineups of bands as everyone on this site is well aware.
You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
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You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
.
this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
https://www.jambase.com/article/the-black-crowes-reunion-billboard
The Black Crowes Tease Reunion On Website, Social Feeds & Billboard
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Well, that’s what bands do before they go on tour. Looks official. I like the black Crowes and would love to see them flourish again and make new music with other talented musicians. Gorman is a fantastic drummer but he’s replaceable. Rich wrote most of the melodies. Chris wrote the lyrics. This tour could end up being lackluster, but I’m hoping for something new and fresh, with substance, like what they did with Luther. The Allmans had a revitalization, don’t see why the Crowes can’t have another chapter, unless big egos prevail and ruin the fun.
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I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right.I don't hear that vibe from him at all. In fact he has said they are definitely doing that without him and he doesn't begrudge anyone that can still make a living in their 50s from doing it.
Totally.....he doesn't think that at all and has been very open and direct about the fact he doesn't think that.
Don't be fooled, this isn't a creative venture by the Robinson brothers. They aren't doing this to get together and make music, they're doing this for money. I mean, these guys hate each other hahaha. I wouldn't hold my breath on any forthcoming version of TBC "flourishing into a new era". This is about whatg coming in at the box office, not what will be coming out of the speakers. I'm a huge TBC fan too, enormous actually, but fool me 4 times, shame on you.
[Edited on 10/29/2019 by jparadise]
this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
I see your point......but....
The final ABB was Gregg, Butch, Jaimoe (3 of the 4 living originals at the time) + Warren, Marc, Oteil, Derek (members who logged decades collectively in the ABB and recorded latter day ABB music worthy of the classic cannon).
It could be the Crowes to me without Steve Gorman depending on what other alumni they get involved. With him, it would certainly make it more credible.
You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
.this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Are there rumours Sven will join the brothers for this tour? Would love it if Mark Ford signed up
I have no issue with the brothers touring to make some $$$ and will definitely try to grab tickets for shows within driving distance.
You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
.this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Are there rumours Sven will join the brothers for this tour? Would love it if Mark Ford signed up
I have no issue with the brothers touring to make some $$$ and will definitely try to grab tickets for shows within driving distance.
Sven is he only person I could see at this moment joining them. Marc Ford would probably not for the same reason he left about 15 years ago
You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
.this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Are there rumours Sven will join the brothers for this tour? Would love it if Mark Ford signed up
I have no issue with the brothers touring to make some $$$ and will definitely try to grab tickets for shows within driving distance.
Sven is he only person I could see at this moment joining them. Marc Ford would probably not for the same reason he left about 15 years ago
Just thought that maybe Rich would convince Mark to come along being they were mates in Magpie.
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Got a boner going for dickey?
You couldn't be more mistaken " I know Steve Gorman likes to think a black Crowes show can’t go on without him but it can. Especially if they do it right."
Gorman has been very clear that his regret is there was never a celebration of THE BAND Black Crowes BY the band. Which will not happen. He isn't into being part of the bRand.
The brand is what you are gonna get when you go see the crowes next tour, with Chris, Rick and sidemen
Like phony Skynyrd, but at least the Crowes keep the Voice of CR.
.this site is funny, chris and rich plus maybe sven=phony crowes
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Are there rumours Sven will join the brothers for this tour? Would love it if Mark Ford signed up
I have no issue with the brothers touring to make some $$$ and will definitely try to grab tickets for shows within driving distance.
Sven is he only person I could see at this moment joining them. Marc Ford would probably not for the same reason he left about 15 years ago
Just thought that maybe Rich would convince Mark to come along being they were mates in Magpie.
I would love that to happen, but I don't see it happening.
Marc would cost far more than random guitarists, but having him there would appease most of the diehard fans upset over Gorman not likely being there.
It would also require Rich and Chris to want to share the spotlight which doesn't seem to be what this is about from all that is written about this reunion.
I also wonder how much Rich bailing on Magpie right before the new album came out sits with Marc and Sven.
I'd love Marc there but if not, what about Audley?
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
gregg , butch and jaimoe=real ABB
Got a boner going for dickey?
you mean do i find it odd the ABB co lead singer and main song writer is absent the last 14 years the band existed but people didn't call it a phony band while steve gorman who never wrote or sang anything but the two main creative people in the black crowes will be present and now this is a phony band then yes? was that were you were asking?
as far as i know marc ford doesn't like big long tours as he worries he'll fall of the wagon because of it
